Next Year's Secondary

[Ball-Hawk20]

feeling optimistic, webb, reed, bernard, jimmy/cary and no more dominque lol

[redrum52]

I'm thinking Webb, Jimmy and Carr or Gorrer at nickel. Secondary is looking good as long as we can get Reed back. Also think the lb situation will work itself out with Suggs, Lewis, Kruger and maybe McClellan or a draft pick. I feel McClain will ask for more than we can afford. If we could also get Redding back or a 3-4 end who could rush would also be helpful.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1327982462' post='980376']
I'm thinking Webb, Jimmy and Carr or Gorrer at nickel. Secondary is looking good as long as we can get Reed back. [b]Also think the lb situation will work itself out with Suggs, Lewis, Kruger and maybe McClellan or a draft pick.[/b] I feel McClain will ask for more than we can afford. If we could also get Redding back or a 3-4 end who could rush would also be helpful.
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We also still have Mcadoo if it means anything.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1327982462' post='980376']
I'm thinking Webb, Jimmy and Carr or Gorrer at nickel. Secondary is looking good as long as we can get Reed back. Also think the lb situation will work itself out with Suggs, Lewis, Kruger and maybe McClellan or a draft pick. I feel McClain will ask for more than we can afford. If we could also get Redding back or a 3-4 end who could rush would also be helpful.
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I think the starters will be Webb and Jimmy, with Cary coming in for nickel and Webb sliding over to cover the slot. Reed and BP should be fine at safety.

At LB, I really think we might draft someone early especially if Jameel walks. Personally I'm in favor of drafting Dont'a Hightower but we will see what the FO thinks.

[BmoreRavens732]

I can see webby and jimmy starting with webby covering slot and cary outside in nickel packages...i think jameel stays cuz he hasnt done enough for big money and he could take over for ray in a year or so whenever that sad dreadful day comes...but not ruling out a mlb in the draft...i forgot about that mcadoo kid heard he has some potential and I love his size...plus kruger will be emerging more and I believe in kindle still and think hes gonna explode once given his chance. Not sure about redding and jj but we have to atleast keep one but who knows? I think mcphee is gonna go off big time this season

[CaliRaven19]

am I the only one who thinks gorrer is better than cary?

[shootyoup]

[quote name='CaliRaven19' timestamp='1327994847' post='980449']
am I the only one who thinks gorrer is better than cary?
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Possibly, I just haven't seen as much from Gorrer. A lot of players can play at very high levels when given limited minutes, but that does not always translate when they are given larger roles. For example, Jimmy smith looked real well as a nickel, but was absolutely destroyed versus the Chargers. So I think Cary's ability to play at a high level and sustain that consistently over the course of a season as opposing teams gain tape on him are real valuable. Until Smith and Gorrer can consistently match his production, he will be the starting and superior player in my mind.

[BloodRaven]

Not so confident about safety but we'll see.

[Gtown Purple]

I think Carr and Fox will be gone. They both looked horrible this year and have sizeable cap numbers.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1327998641' post='980460']
Not so confident about safety but we'll see.
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with reed and pollard we have possibly the best duo in the nfl back there...

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1327987920' post='980420']
We also still have Mcadoo if it means anything.
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I fully believe that we'll just always have good Linebackers. Seriously we get starters out of nowhere.

[CapoRocky]

I agree that we will be very good in the secondary for next year. Webb and Smith will be the starters at CB. Reed and Pollard at safety. There will be a few others there to back them up (Williams, Brown, etc.). I don't put it past us to draft someone at CB and/or S. We are going to let some salary go to have the money to sign a few FAs. Overall, it can only get better for us with the talent that we are developing.

[atlravensfan]

Dude seriously why do people keep saying move Webb over to the slot. Webb should always be matched up with the other teams best wr.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Next years secondary will be very good. I don't think there's any question that Reed is coming back atleast for one more year. Pollard grew into the defense as the season went on, and while he's not the best in coverage he was a lot better than as advertised coming from Houston. I've been saying all along that Webb is a budding star, Cary Williams was definitely a huge surprise and while Jimmy Smith looked bad against San Diego..a lot of rookie corners have looked terrible against them over the years. I just think we all wanted Smith to come in as a rookie and have a Mcallister type rookie season. I think he just needs some time and he'll be good. Overall, somehow Ozzie has turned this secondary 180 degrees from what it was a few years ago. I think Carr is gone, I think at one point he was playing above expecation as he was only signed to be a kick returner. I'd also be ok with letting Zibikowski go as well, and drafting someone to take ED's place when he decideds to retire.

The future's looking very bright for the secondary

[Ray Ray Ravens]

Yea we need to start grooming the future with our HOFs. Wasnt that McAdoo kid suppose to be kind of small weight wise? I thought he needed to bulk up before getting a chance. For some reason im thinking he has great mental awareness just needed the size to go with knowledge. Thats why he was a project. I could be wrong though. But if we can get some young talent behind Reed and Lewis it would be a great start for a young guy coming into this league.

[redrum52]

Heres the thing with Cary, will he be back? He's an rfa and I say if we could get a 5th or lower for him pull the trigger. I don't see us letting Webb go and we have Jimmy. Also, Carr is still under contract and I think with experience Gorrer or Brown can fill in at nickel. I had forgotten about McAdoo, but we have him as well as Sergio. I also don't see us not picking up a MLB in this draft cause as far as I'm concerned, Ray is playing on borrowed time and we need our next premier backer to learn from the greatest. I feel the key to secondary is Reed though. I feel we would do alright with him gone but then that would keep Pollard from being ideally used to play in the box.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1328026502' post='980582']
Yea we need to start grooming the future with our HOFs. [b]Wasnt that McAdoo kid suppose to be kind of small weight wise?[/b] I thought he needed to bulk up before getting a chance. For some reason im thinking he has great mental awareness just needed the size to go with knowledge. Thats why he was a project. I could be wrong though. But if we can get some young talent behind Reed and Lewis it would be a great start for a young guy coming into this league.
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Yeah hes 6'8 245lbs.

A very talented pass rusher in college. He decided to become a free agent pretty late and we got him

He actually got a sack in the lone pre season game he played in. 20 extra pounds on that frame and hes going to eat tackles for breakfast

[Bltravens]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1328023401' post='980555']
Dude seriously why do people keep saying move Webb over to the slot. Webb should always be matched up with the other teams best wr.
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Its because both Cary and Jimmy aren't ideally built to play inside in the nickel. Jimmy and Cary are both really tall and long. Smaller receivers can get inside on them and use their quickness to beat them. Webb is ideally built to play inside, plus he's a great blitzer. I'd imagine using him alot like Charles Woodson over the middle of the field would maximize Webb's big play potential.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1328033465' post='980657']
Its because both Cary and Jimmy aren't ideally built to play inside in the nickel. Jimmy and Cary are both really tall and long. Smaller receivers can get inside on them and use their quickness to beat them. Webb is ideally built to play inside, plus he's a great blitzer. I'd imagine using him alot like Charles Woodson over the middle of the field would maximize Webb's big play potential.
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I've always thought that Webb reminded me of Charles Woodson. That one CB that can do it all. Play nickel, outside, safety, blitz, stop the run, play off, play press, etc. Webb is a very versatile, great cornerback.

[Gordo52]

Top 3 pass defense already calling it.
Im also excited about Gorrer, I think hes pretty good.
I think we should cut Fox/Carr and move on with these guys-
Webb,Smith,Cary,Gorrer.
But its always nice to have good depth at CB. I dont want to be in a Washington/Walker mess again.

[PeRK82]

What is it with people not wanting Cary Williams, im completely dumb founded in this. I just don't get it. Yea he got burned a couple of times, who hasn't. Oh when he got burned it was because we were only rushing 3 guys and you can only defend against a wr for so long, especially when it Big Ben your playing.


I like Jimmy Smith and i can see him getting better with each game but he still needs work, so for me id still pick Cary over him. It's only logical if you ask me. Again, im really dumb founded with the Love that Jimmy gets, why , because he got a couple of picks. Cary got one too but it was called back because of a Flag.


Next thing ill be hearing is " make J.Smith our #1 CB over Webb"


Any ways on a side note = Man Webb is a beast, i love this kid, especially his history and how he became our #1 CB. Not sure how many people know this but Webb never played CB in college, he was a Safety. I also think Webb will get alot more recognition next season, he has too. You only can deny someones skill and achievements for so long . They will start comparing him to Revis if Webb keeps doing what he is doing. I'm dumbfounded that No one really even knows who he is??? It showed when he didn't even get a nod for the pro bowl. Huh??? Anyone else know of any CB in the league this passed season where a WR didn't score a TD on them. That right there should say something, especially when he is playing against the teams #1 or #2 WR.

[scrock]

[quote][b]What is it with people not wanting Cary Williams, im completely dumb founded in this.[/b] I just don't get it. Yea he got burned a couple of times, who hasn't. Oh when he got burned it was because we were only rushing 3 guys and you can only defend against a wr for so long, especially when it Big Ben your playing.[/quote]

i like Cary too, I think he'll continue to get better too

he got a lot of passes defensed too

[indianstick]

What webb did this year was amazing and he was easily the biggest probowl snub. Not allowing a td on you for a whole season is amazing and also 8 picks in 18 games.

Jimmy is going to be amazing too because once he learned what his role was on the defense, he minimized his mistakes and put himself in the best position to make plays

Cary williams got beat sometimes but he was pretty consistent for the most part, doing a good job staying on his man and jumping routes, i just wish he didn't have the worst hands on the team.

Chris Carr didn't disappoint me when he was on the field. He gave up more catches than i woudl of liked but he played fast and does a good job limiting YAC. I don't know if we will have him back next year, but he provides good depth.

Danny grorrer impressed me espeically when he lined up infront of santionio holmes for most of the nyj's game and shut him down. I didn't know too much about him then but it was good to see him suceed when he was thrown in the fire.

Chykie brown didn't really stand out to me too much but i remember seeing him late in games at times.

I like foxworth but its unfortunate that he blew his knee out after his first full season of being a starting cb. It sucks that he didn't recover that well but if he can play and is the same player than maybe we can restructure his contract because it is ridiculous.

The fact is that we only gave up 11 passing tds this year, that was the lowest in the nfl. Ed reed had a lot to do with it and you can sit here and say that he had his worst season last year but without him our passing tds would of easily went up 5-10 more tds. The amount of ground he covers is tremendous and he does a great job erasing the cbs mistakes. Pollard really complements him well and I wouldn't mind letting zibby go since pollard really outplayed him this year.

And speaking of the mistakes, all of our corners that played this year were young. It was cary williams first season of actually playing cb in the nfl, let alone starting. Jimmy was a rookie and his play improved with every game rep he got. It was webb's third season in the league and he was emerging as a starter his rookie year (until he got hurt), struggled a little when he got the shot to start in his second year. He really cemented his name as a starter this year and i rememeber watching an interview after houston i believe where he was saying that he isnt half as good as he thinks he can be.

My point is that most of them were learning the scheme on the fly and they didn't disappoint at all. The sky is the limit for our corners and it is critical to have good depth (which we do with grorrer and chykie) bc i feel like corner is the most fragile position, esp for us.

[flynismo]

How can we not be excited with this secondary! Webb and the Jimmy locking down the CB positions, with Cary at nickel, Ed and The Pat Slayer at safety...pretty sick!

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1328049595' post='981035']
How can we not be excited with this secondary! Webb and the Jimmy locking down the CB positions, with Cary at nickel, Ed and The Pat Slayer at safety...pretty sick!
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Agreed, I mean, sure if we draft it is either to
A. Get another lockdown corner (Kirkpatrick)
B. Get Reed's replacement
C. Depth
Our secondary is beastly, but we still can improve.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1328045475' post='980929']

i like Cary too, I think he'll continue to get better too

he got a lot of passes defensed too
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[Yoonkeem]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1328051530' post='981069']
Agreed, I mean, sure if we draft it is either to
A. Get another lockdown corner (Kirkpatrick)
B. Get Reed's replacement
C. Depth
Our secondary is beastly, but we still can improve.
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kirkpatrick seems a bit unlikely.
we need to spend the 1st round pick on replacing the retirees.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='CaliRaven19' timestamp='1327994847' post='980449']
am I the only one who thinks gorrer is better than cary?
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I have to respectfully disagree. Cary had quiet a few pass deflections this year!!

[757RavensFan]

I honestly think Zibi will be the odd man out next season. I think he's released.
Funny how there was a big debate prior to the season about Zibi being the starter over Pollard.
I think the pro Pollard crowd felt good about their support for him after the 2nd or 3rd
game.

[CaliRaven19]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1328129368' post='981963']

I have to respectfully disagree. Cary had quiet a few pass deflections this year!!
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i know what ur saying, i actually like cary but when i see gorrer play it seems like he doesnt give up anything