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[Ed_Reed20]

ravensdfan, on 01 February 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

Not 3 times in a row, twice in a row. Our first 2 offensive series were vitually the same 3 plays. Run up the gut, pass deep, oops, 3rd and long, drop to pass, sack. I know they were not ENTIRELY the same but close enough. Not to mention, that run on first down he runs 99.9% of the time on first down. Now, after those first 2 series, he did mix it up.

No he didn't take him out of the game plan altogether but why take him out? NE wasn't exactly stopping him.

My mistake. I didn't like that the first two plays on the first two drives were runs. That's Cam at his worst. But the second play on the both drives were actually short passes. As for third down, Joe opted to run on the first possession and got sacked on the second one. The sack was on him too. Grubbs getting being pushed back by Wilfork threw Joe off and led to the sack, but Lee and Torrey were open had he gone through his progressions quicker.

No, but Pitta still received twice as many targets as Dickson did. Outside of the drop and pass that Spikes picked off on, the other two passes to Dickson went for positive yardage.

[Passepartout]

Hopefully he can make Flacco turn into an elite passer.

[ravensdfan]

Ed_Reed20, on 01 February 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

My mistake. I didn't like that the first two plays on the first two drives were runs. That's Cam at his worst. But the second play on the both drives were actually short passes. As for third down, Joe opted to run on the first possession and got sacked on the second one. The sack was on him too. Grubbs getting being pushed back by Wilfork threw Joe off and led to the sack, but Lee and Torrey were open had he gone through his progressions quicker.

No, but Pitta still received twice as many targets as Dickson did. Outside of the drop and pass that Spikes picked off on, the other two passes to Dickson went for positive yardage.

Hey, you can check the game thread, after those first 2 debacles on offense, I was praising Cam for his play calling. I have no issue giving the man his due. I think he coaches up young QBs very well. His conservative style lets them go out and play and doesn't put too much pressure on them. There comes a time though, when the QB outgrows Cam. This is where he is lacking. He just does not know when to loosen the grip. I believe we've outgrown him.

I'm happy we've brought in Caldwell, even if it's just a body between Cam and Joe. I just think that if there is a difference of opinion on what is best for our QB, Harbs will side with Cam and it will be Zorn all over again.

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ravensdfan, on 01 February 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Hey, you can check the game thread, after those first 2 debacles on offense, I was praising Cam for his play calling. I have no issue giving the man his due. I think he coaches up young QBs very well. His conservative style lets them go out and play and doesn't put too much pressure on them. There comes a time though, when the QB outgrows Cam. This is where he is lacking. He just does not know when to loosen the grip. I believe we've outgrown him.

I'm happy we've brought in Caldwell, even if it's just a body between Cam and Joe. I just think that if there is a difference of opinion on what is best for our QB, Harbs will side with Cam and it will be Zorn all over again.

I agree with you there.

Hoping it doesn't turn into another Zorn situation. It would look pretty bad on John and Cam's part if another QB coach was forced out.

[Blex64]

Ed_Reed20, on 01 February 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

I agree with you there.

Hoping it doesn't turn into another Zorn situation. It would look pretty bad on John and Cam's part if another QB coach was forced out.

At this point I don't see any reason to believe it won't. I guess its possible Caldwell will adapt to this system and teach Joe how to succeed here, but he's never coached it before and we're kind of exploring uncharted waters at this point.

[Ravenslifer]

What I'm hoping in addition to Caldwell teaching Joe is that having "less responsibility" will make Cam Cameron a better play-caller. He calls good things on occasion, but he's a terrible situational play-caller IMO. And hopefully he realizes at some point that it is legal to have 4 and 5 WR sets on the field.

[GrimCoconut]

I started thinking about this Caldwell acquisition today & thought of it beyond just Joe. Caldwell should do great for Flacco & his development, but what about Tyrod Taylor? Perhaps Caldwell improves Taylor as well so that we can use him as trade bait when some of these teams realize they don't have their guy. If we could make Taylor look good in some garbage time like Flynn did we could get value for him next year or the year after.

Just a thought.

Edited by GrimCoconut, 02 February 2012 - 02:15 PM.

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ratedr, on 30 January 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

I was referring to Caldwell.

That is a good point. Nobody knows except in the Steeler's organization how the interview with Cardwell went.

[Raven43hike]

Alexir, on 30 January 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

Interesting facts.

Birthday: Jan 16
Flaccos Bday: Jan 16
First playoff victory: Against Ravens on Jan 16

Hope that adds up up to a 16-0 record next season

[Ravenslifer]

GrimCoconut, on 02 February 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

I started thinking about this Caldwell acquisition today & thought of it beyond just Joe. Caldwell should do great for Flacco & his development, but what about Tyrod Taylor? Perhaps Caldwell improves Taylor as well so that we can use him as trade bait when some of these teams realize they don't have their guy. If we could make Taylor look good in some garbage time like Flynn did we could get value for him next year or the year after.

Just a thought.

Well, it worked for the Pats and Matt Cassel, so who knows?

[Ed_Reed20]

Read this in Peter King's MMQB:

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4. Baltimore (13-5). Listen to Tony Dungy talk about Jim Caldwell's ability to erase mistakes from quarterback play, and you'll be convinced that Joe Flacco is in very good hands with his new quarterback coach.

Read more: Link

Edited by Ed_Reed20, 06 February 2012 - 02:47 PM.

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Ravenslifer, on 02 February 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

What I'm hoping in addition to Caldwell teaching Joe is that having "less responsibility" will make Cam Cameron a better play-caller. He calls good things on occasion, but he's a terrible situational play-caller IMO. And hopefully he realizes at some point that it is legal to have 4 and 5 WR sets on the field.

They can't do this as a team because Flacco would get crushed. Our O-line could not hold up with 5 receiver sets. It seems the team always has to max protect because the O-line in my opinion is terrible, that's why you can't go 4 and 5 wide. It's probably why our offense is so vanilla as well.

Edited by blazeon32, 06 February 2012 - 07:38 PM.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

We could go 4 wide if we sent our WR on short routes were Flacco gets the ball out quick before the pressure can hope to get to him. That's how Brady & Brees do it. But we don't do that for whatever reason(s).

We really don't seem to do anything scheme-wise usually to help out the O-line when it struggles.

Just keep hammering that square peg harder and harder in a vain effort to force it to fit in that round hole.

[Hardbaugh]

This makes the retaining of Cameron a little easier to take. I understand we'll have to wade through another season full of ill timed playcalls, lack of imagination in the game plan, virtually no crossing patterns , no halftime adjustments, no stacked recievers to confuse the defense, literally no motion unless it's a run play and a whole host of other high school offensive mentality we're subjected to on a weekly basis but sooner or later the sand will run out of Cam's hourglass with this organization.

Atleast there's a guy inhouse that can take over the offense when Cam is let go.
Harbaugh has the credibility of a politician in my opinion after his glowing reports about Cameron.

Edited by Hardbaugh, 08 February 2012 - 08:58 AM.

[Ravenslifer]

blazeon32, on 06 February 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

They can't do this as a team because Flacco would get crushed. Our O-line could not hold up with 5 receiver sets. It seems the team always has to max protect because the O-line in my opinion is terrible, that's why you can't go 4 and 5 wide. It's probably why our offense is so vanilla as well.

Well the FO talked about fixing the o-line as a priority in the offseason, so hopefully next year we will be able to run 4 and 5 WR sets.