What Kind Of Offense Would You Run If You Were OC?

[ravensfan520]

I know everyone dislikes Cam as an OC but if given the opportunity with the talent we have what type of offense or offensive plays would you run... oh and don't forget to only use the current players we have to make your game plan.

I personally don't dislike Cam because at times he does have a good game plan(we did sweep the North and make it to the AFCC twice). but I think with the amount of good receivers and types of backs we have we should run more 3 or 4 receiver sets and more short crossing routes. I also like when Joe can move the pocket and roll out. We can still run the ball in those sets as well... it would cause the defense to have to spread out to cover everyone... and if the defense drops into zones it should leave players like Boldin or if we line our tide ends out to look for open space to settle in... those are just a few thoughts what is everybodies else's opinion.

[arnie_uk]

screens to RR, TEs, WR, Tosses pitches etc to get rice outside.. all in an effort to get the CBs and Safetys looking in the backfield to set up the deep ball.

Play action, rollouts especially to give joe more time, and hes a different passer with time. i would do more slant, rubs, bunches to get our WR in space more.

Also run out of passing formations, pass out of running formations more to mix it up and be unpredicatable.

More shutgun and hurry up mixed in through out the game.

All im asking is do these things 3/4 times a game to keep the defense honest, never let up either

[flynismo]

A successful one

[ravensfan520]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1327865356' post='978701']
screens to RR, TEs, WR, Tosses pitches etc to get rice outside.. all in an effort to get the CBs and Safetys looking in the backfield to set up the deep ball.

Play action, rollouts especially to give joe more time, and hes a different passer with time. i would do more slant, rubs, bunches to get our WR in space more.

Also run out of passing formations, pass out of running formations more to mix it up and be unpredicatable.

More shutgun and hurry up mixed in through out the game.

All im asking is do these things 3/4 times a game to keep the defense honest, never let up either
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I like the hurry and quick paced offense...

[AsianRice]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327865722' post='978705']
A successful one
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really? Cam thinks end around run or QB sneak is a successful one.....

[RoflDogs]

Use a variety of different running plays, not just the two that we do (stretches and inside zones)
e.g. counters (we used to do these a lot, not so much anymore), tosses, jet sweeps (NOT JUST END AROUNDS), etc etc

Passing wise, just stop making our offense so bland and meh (90% of the time on 1st down, we come out in standard I.......why not do something different every once in a while???). I'd also use more of a spread type offense that try to set up the receivers for a lot of YAC. Maybe some creative trick plays too

It's kind of hard to describe what offense you'd want to run in a post that is short of enough so that people actually read it

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327865722' post='978705']
A successful one
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I was going to say that, lol. But seriously, I'd center around an offensive gameplan that emphasized short and midrange passing. I don't care what you'd call it, but I believe that the one thing every one of our receivers is good at is picking up yards after the catch, whether it's through speed or force. So I'd focus on that, on getting Joe's completion percentage up to between 65-70 percent, and constantly moving the chains, keeping TOP, and sustaining scoring drives. Actually whatever Peyton Manning runs in Indy (I think it's a no-huddle offense out of a Pro Set, but I'm not quite sure) I like that offense if we could run it. Not saying Joe would ever be able to run it as effectively, but the quick snaps always catching the defense off guard appeals to me.

I'm really not a fan of the Air Coryell (what we run) because it needs so many things working all the time to be effective. We saw what it could be when Rivers destroyed us, but think of all the games where his receivers missed time, or his o-line wasn't healthy. We dealt with all of that too - but Rivers was absolutely terrible until the last few weeks of the season when everyone got healthy. The Air Coryell system does not deal with injuries well.

[redrum52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327865722' post='978705']
A successful one
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This. I don't want to be stuck to one offense because the team has the talent I feel to do what it wants with some creativity from the OC.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1327865356' post='978701']
screens to RR, TEs, WR, Tosses pitches etc to get rice outside.. all in an effort to get the CBs and Safetys looking in the backfield to set up the deep ball.

Play action, rollouts especially to give joe more time, and hes a different passer with time. i would do more slant, rubs, bunches to get our WR in space more.

Also run out of passing formations, pass out of running formations more to mix it up and be unpredicatable.

More shutgun and hurry up mixed in through out the game.

All im asking is do these things 3/4 times a game to keep the defense honest, never let up either
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so basically the Philadelphia Eagles offense.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327880119' post='978901']

I was going to say that, lol. But seriously, I'd center around an offensive gameplan that emphasized short and midrange passing. I don't care what you'd call it, but I believe that the one thing every one of our receivers is good at is picking up yards after the catch, whether it's through speed or force. So I'd focus on that, on getting Joe's completion percentage up to between 65-70 percent, and constantly moving the chains, keeping TOP, and sustaining scoring drives. Actually whatever Peyton Manning runs in Indy (I think it's a no-huddle offense out of a Pro Set, but I'm not quite sure) I like that offense if we could run it. Not saying Joe would ever be able to run it as effectively, but the quick snaps always catching the defense off guard appeals to me.

I'm really not a fan of the Air Coryell (what we run) because it needs so many things working all the time to be effective. We saw what it could be when Rivers destroyed us, but think of all the games where his receivers missed time, or his o-line wasn't healthy. We dealt with all of that too - but Rivers was absolutely terrible until the last few weeks of the season when everyone got healthy. The Air Coryell system does not deal with injuries well.
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The problem with Air Coryell isnt that it needs so many things to work, but it needs a tremendously talented o ine for it to work and a back that can block like Frank Gore. The line has to be able to pass block for an extended amount of time and also be excellent run blockers. You've seen how long Joe looks for receivers to get open and finish routes, no line can block that long.

That being said if we wanted to run an offense like Peyton Manning we would need to update our receiving core. Boldin isn't getting too many YAC, our tight ends need to get better at it, Smith is the only receiver we have that is lethal with this (didnt see enough of Evans).

Our tight ends to run that offense effectively have to either

A. Beat them with speed like Hernandez
B. Beat them with strength like Gronk.

Right now we have guys in the middle of those conditions. Not amazingly fast or hard to bring down but still not easy to catch or bring down either.

We need to add more speed to our receiving core than just Torrey. You look at the Steelers and see Wallace and Brown. Both are fast, get open and make catches. Either could be a number one on most teams. Look at Victor Cruz - gets open, and gets YAC.

What I'm trying to say is our passing game problems stem more from the personnel then the system. The system can cover for things by emphasizing different points (such as quick routes so the o line doesnt have to block as long), but a prolific passing game comes from having talent on that side of the ball, and clearly our talent is on the other side of the ball. Not to say we arent a talented team, but dont expect a Patriots, Colts, Packers type offense for this team. You want a prolific offense, you gotta get the players for it.

[Alexir]

I would take after the Texans offense. Thats a great offense right there. Ground and Pound with receiving threat.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1327900001' post='979161']
The problem with Air Coryell isnt that it needs so many things to work, but it needs a tremendously talented o ine for it to work and a back that can block like Frank Gore. The line has to be able to pass block for an extended amount of time and also be excellent run blockers. You've seen how long Joe looks for receivers to get open and finish routes, no line can block that long.

That being said if we wanted to run an offense like Peyton Manning we would need to update our receiving core. Boldin isn't getting too many YAC, our tight ends need to get better at it, Smith is the only receiver we have that is lethal with this (didnt see enough of Evans).

Our tight ends to run that offense effectively have to either

A. Beat them with speed like Hernandez
B. Beat them with strength like Gronk.

Right now we have guys in the middle of those conditions. Not amazingly fast or hard to bring down but still not easy to catch or bring down either.

We need to add more speed to our receiving core than just Torrey. You look at the Steelers and see Wallace and Brown. Both are fast, get open and make catches. Either could be a number one on most teams. Look at Victor Cruz - gets open, and gets YAC.

What I'm trying to say is our passing game problems stem more from the personnel then the system. The system can cover for things by emphasizing different points (such as quick routes so the o line doesnt have to block as long), but a prolific passing game comes from having talent on that side of the ball, and clearly our talent is on the other side of the ball. Not to say we arent a talented team, but dont expect a Patriots, Colts, Packers type offense for this team. You want a prolific offense, you gotta get the players for it.
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So what do you think our personnel is suited for? Because I definitely don't see the right things for an Air Coryell style offense - the ideal players are what San Diego has. Big, bruising running back, trees for wide receivers, etc.

[T3hRaven]

I would run a variant of the West Coast, with a bit more deep passing thrown in there than normal. I'm not high on Dickson, so while I would run a two TE single back set from time to time, we'd be running three wide or more most of the time. I-form usage would be cut down tremendously, as it seems Cam uses it every series. As good as Leach is, I think Rice would have more luck hitting open running lanes if we established the pass to set up the run. Running three wide out of an Ace set can be just as effective for breaking off the run, if not more so, when you actually let you QB do what he's paid to do, which Cam does not. Instead of go routes constantly, there would be a lot more slants and crossing routes in my offense. More importantly though, even trumping what I view to be a superior offensive system in and of itself, I would give Flacco complete and total control of the offense. I'd get the play in immediately so they had time to set up, he could actually make the pre-snap read and audible to what he wanted based on what the defense is showing. If Cam just granted Joe that, without changing anything else, our offense might actually be serviceable.

I doubt a lot of the fans would like my offense though, because the ball is going to be out of Rice's hands and into Flacco's. We'd be rocking around a 60/40 run/pass split and trusting our QB, because that's the only way to get to the big show in today's league.

[theFRANCHISE]

I won't purport to know more than NFL coaches because I've never coached football at any level.

That said, to humor the topic, here's what I'd do:

- I'd go opposite of ground-and-pound by placing an emphasis on short passes; they can defend the run all they want, but short passes are just as good as runs, so I'd load up on possession receivers with good route-running skills and dink-and-dunk my way to the redzone.

- I wouldn't use a feature back; rather, RB-by-committee is: 1) more cost-effective for the front office, and; 2) allows the offense to adjust if the "star" RB gets hurt, since the offense is ideally designed to work with any RB while splitting the workload.

- I would start each game with a hurry-up offense but would milk the clock in the second half; I trust my defense enough in the first half not to let the game get out of hand. This is where aggression on defense [i]and [/i]suitable depth will both come in handy.

So, in essence, I'd be a pass-first offense that wouldn't be worried about flashiness or the deep ball. I'll beat you by completing high-percentage passes and converting on medium-yardage with unexpected runs. This demoralizes the opposing team because it goes against convention to move the ball in this manner while also playing to the new offense-geared rules.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327906511' post='979224']

So what do you think our personnel is suited for? Because I definitely don't see the right things for an Air Coryell style offense - the ideal players are what San Diego has. Big, bruising running back, trees for wide receivers, etc.
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Right now, I think if we change systems, no offense would give us the result everyone would like. If we implement a Patriots-esque offense, the numbers may look a little bit cleaner, but we'd probably lose more games learning to transition to it. For that offense to work, you need fast,good precise route runners and a qb who is deadly precise and accurate. It doesnt really require the big armed qb too much, which imo would be a waste since Joe has a cannon. Also besides our receiving core, I'm not sure how good Joe is at anticipating where a receiver would and how accurate he'd be gunning it to him in quick fashion. Its an offense that requires the qb and his receivers to be in sync. Its an offense that doesn't play to our strengths.

[BloodRaven]

Commit to zone blocking by immediately asking Ozzy Newsome to find a replacement for Bryant McKinnie.

[scrock]

You can run a balanced offense like Cam usually tries to employ but u can run different routes, u can actually use Boldin more in the slot on slants, u can work harder to involve certain players who were brought in and never mattered, u can throw off defenses.....he's so predictable

[PurpleDrink]

West Coast offence son!!! Nothings better then 4 or 5 WRer sets with a good Offensive Line....and a good QB of course.

[The Raven]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1327929181' post='979316']
Commit to zone blocking by immediately asking Ozzy Newsome to find a replacement for Bryant McKinnie.
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That's a great point. He and Birk don't fit the system at all.

[da#1ravensfan]

I would run more quicker routes to give our faster receivers some space to give em some room to run.

[RavenousBG]

I have no problem with his Offense. I have problems with his play calls. If some of his quirky calls worked more I would be more agreeable or if it really seemed innovative but it doesnt. I don't pretend to be any type of offensive genius but some innovation would help. Other offensive coordinators find ways to get less talented wideouts and TEs wide open. We see much less of that. Many people talk about stack formations of the wideouts. I don't know if it would work but why not try it out? I just think we have the talent to be more and the odd play calls at odd times bother us all. That 3rd down draw play and I know everyone knows what play I am talking about says it all.

[RavensAllTheWay]

A wide open playbook. One that has my team prepared for any and all situations.

If I were a HC, I would preach situational football, like Belichek.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1327970242' post='980181']
A wide open playbook. One that has my team prepared for any and all situations.

If I were a HC, I would preach situational football, like Belichek.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but when your offense gets shutdown three times by the same type of defense (ravens, giants, steelers), wouldn't situation football count on an adjustment to deal with that?

[kiwi_raven]

3 wide spread with the running back to the side in shotgun, or behind the Qb when he is under centre

[Ravenslifer]

The one thing I would definitely do is have a lot more 4 and 5 wide receiver sets, sometimes have sets with both tight ends, maybe one split out wide. It seems like the most successful offenses in the league (Packers, Saints, Patriots, Colts with Manning) all employ the technique of spreading the defense out by using these kinds of formations frequently.

[BMOREHAWAII]

Whatever works in Madden works in real life right? I'd be a great coordinator..

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1327968222' post='980133'] That's a great point. He and Birk don't fit the system at all.[/quote]

They're both oversized but at least Birk still had some quickness and mobility left in him.

[grantkyle2003]

I would mix up first downs with ethier passing quick slants or runs outside with a smaller back like rice.

- Screens to utilize speed like torrey did in the AFC title game.

- Bunch formations to help the recievers get open when there having difficulties seperating. The steelers do this alot to help brown and wallace.

- Do more no huddle drives to keep the defense tired and unable to sub and also get some quick points.

- No settling for Field goals on turnovers, that is crucial, you have to make a team pay for turning the ball over.

- Take more shots down the field with speed like torrey.

- More HB draws with joe in the shotgun.

- Look at what the patriots and colts do with there offenses, They use the quick slants and screens to get alot of yac most of the time.

- Also start doing the back shoulder pass. Not sure if our recievers can do this though.

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

Keep the offense balanced. 50% run, 50% pass unless Flacco or Rice is absolutely giving the other team fits (think Cleveland round 1 this year)

Short to intermediate passes to Boldin, who can still get YAC in a big way.
Get the ball to Torrey and Evans with space to run. That means screens, an occasional end around (believe it or not, those get positive yards when used at the right time), and of course the deep go route.
Use Pitta and Dickson for short passing downs. slants, outs, and more hitch routes.

More play action with Joe. he's Peyton Manning when he has time to set his feet and go through his progressions. He looks like Sanchez when he's under heavy pressure though.

The biggest problem i have with the running game is the lack of adjustments made. Yes, Rice is one of the best between the tackles. However, too often the other team figures this out too and brings in linebackers to fill the gaps. We need more called runs to the outside.

We also need to stick with the RB with the hot hand. When Ricky was getting ~5 YPC vs Houston, why did we go back to Rice on 3rd and 1? Ricky has got to be our short yardage or goal-line back this year. Rice is great at breaking through the pile and getting an extra 10 yards every once in a while, but Ricky seems to CONSTANTLY get that last tough yard we need.

More or less, I think Cam is doing a fine job and my game plan wouldn't differ much from his. Except I would adapt the gameplan during the game based on what the other team is doing well.


What i think we need to NOT do is go 4-5 wide. Flacco takes too long with his progressions to give him a huge number of receivers to go through. Put more tight ends on the field going 2 wide and get the TE's on routes that allow them to block for Rice if Flacco has to check down to him.

[PurpleReign92]

7 in the box everything on Offense starts with QB protection and QB protection starts with the Offensive line...