Harbaugh

[ratedr]

On a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being the least, how confident are you in John Harbaugh right now and going forward?

[Purple Nurple]

Ive got no issues here. I think everyone has their panties in a bunch over all the recent action. It is what it is, kids. Go outside and play now.

Go Ravens, I still love you.

[ravensdfan]

I voted 2 because after all, you said "right now" lol

I didn't like what (at least to me) came off as a somewhat arrogant attitude this season. I don't like the new fad of throwing the players under the bus every time some decision gets questioned. I definitely don't like his blind devotion to Cam, which I believe will sink us next season.

He makes bad decisions as far as clock management and although he has improved, he does not manage his challenges well nor seem to know the right thing to challenge.

I'm actually kind of at a loss as to what he does do around this team other than make the occassional inspirational speech in the locker room. It is pretty apparent that he is hands off as far as defense and offense and we stunk it up in the one area that is supposedly his expertise.

Yeah, in the right now I'm not very confident in Harbaugh at all.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1327857114' post='978591']
On a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being the least, how confident are you in [b]Cam Cameron [/b]right now and going forward?
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Fixed it for you. I for one am okay with Harbaugh.

[Raven Hammer]

I'll take the bad with the Good 44 Regular Season Wins is Good with me

[T-ray]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1327858071' post='978602']
I voted 2 because after all, you said "right now" lol

I didn't like what (at least to me) came off as a somewhat arrogant attitude this season. I don't like the new fad of throwing the players under the bus every time some decision gets questioned. I definitely don't like his blind devotion to Cam, which I believe will sink us next season.

He makes bad decisions as far as clock management and although he has improved, he does not manage his challenges well nor seem to know the right thing to challenge.

I'm actually kind of at a loss as to what he does do around this team other than make the occassional inspirational speech in the locker room. It is pretty apparent that he is hands off as far as defense and offense and we stunk it up in the one area that is supposedly his expertise.

Yeah, in the right now I'm not very confident in Harbaugh at all.
[/quote]

I agree 110% with all of this. Well said; saved me from taking the time to type of all of it lol. So for that, I thank you.

[DieHardBMoreFan]

The past 4 years speak for themselves.

[oldcoltsfan]

Taking the Ravens to the playoffs 4 years in a row is good enough for me to vote 5.
Sure he's made some mistakes but in hindsight all coaches do.

[TreTheRaven]

2.

[ratedr]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1327858071' post='978602']I'm actually kind of at a loss as to what he does do around this team other than make the occassional inspirational speech in the locker room. It is pretty apparent that he is hands off as far as defense and offense and we stunk it up in the one area that is supposedly his expertise.[/quote]I actually agree with this, I've been trying to figure this out myself.

[johnmike72]

A waterboy could do Harbs job..

[berad]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1327858071' post='978602']
I'm actually kind of at a loss as to what he does do around this team other than make the occassional inspirational speech in the locker room. It is pretty apparent that he is hands off as far as defense and offense and we stunk it up in the one area that is supposedly his expertise.
[/quote]

What do Tom Coughlin, Mike Tomlin, Mike Smith, John Fox, etc "do"? All were playoff coaches who don't have an explicit hand in play-calling, offense/defense, and such. There's much more to being a head coach than meets the eye.

[Milton145]

I swear we're too spoiled sometimes with all the winning. I'm very confident in Harbaugh. 5.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1327859352' post='978627']

What do Tom Coughlin, Mike Tomlin, Mike Smith, John Fox, etc "do"? All were playoff coaches who don't have an explicit hand in play-calling, offense/defense, and such. There's much more to being a head coach than meets the eye.
[/quote]

I don't expect him to be calling plays. Given his background, I don't really expect him to have his hand that deeply into the offense and defense. However, HE is the one who said he would be more involved in the offense this past season. Personally, I didn't see any difference so if he did so, he might as well take it back out.

I guess if our ST (which is Harbaugh's background) didn't stink it up, it could go a long way to changing my attitude. This is his area after all, and he should be more involved here.

[berad]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1327859604' post='978630']
I don't expect him to be calling plays. Given his background, I don't really expect him to have his hand that deeply into the offense and defense. However, HE is the one who said he would be more involved in the offense this past season. Personally, I didn't see any difference so if he did so, he might as well take it back out.

I guess if our ST (which is Harbaugh's background) didn't stink it up, it could go a long way to changing my attitude. This is his area after all, and he should be more involved here.
[/quote]

Our offense was different than what we've seen in the past, IMO. A lot more deep passes and they implemented a zone-running/blocking scheme. Still had the same result, underwhelming and overall not good enough, but it was different.

Again, just because Harbaugh doesn't explicit say what he does doesn't mean he is just playing solitaire at the Castle.

And I won't fault Harbaugh for David Reed and Billy Cundiff crapping themselves, those mistakes are entirely the players' faults. The parts of ST that were coach-able, punt and kick coverage, need to get a lot better though. Harbaugh's biggest issue is his confidence in Cam Cameron. The offense wasn't where it should be, and I hope they know it.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1327858071' post='978602']
I voted 2 because after all, you said "right now" lol

I didn't like what (at least to me) came off as a somewhat arrogant attitude this season. I don't like the new fad of throwing the players under the bus every time some decision gets questioned. I definitely don't like his blind devotion to Cam, which I believe will sink us next season.

He makes bad decisions as far as clock management and although he has improved, he does not manage his challenges well nor seem to know the right thing to challenge.

I'm actually kind of at a loss as to what he does do around this team other than make the occassional inspirational speech in the locker room. It is pretty apparent that he is hands off as far as defense and offense and we stunk it up in the one area that is supposedly his expertise.

Yeah, in the right now I'm not very confident in Harbaugh at all.
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I personally thought he was very good with his challenges this year, he won most of them.

Time management is bad because we always seem to be wasting a time out early in the first/third quarter because of some lame reason or another on offense, how much of that is his fault I don't know.

I like the attitude that he brought to this team of "no nonsense" which Billick certainly didn't have.

My biggest gripe with him (by a mile) is his blind love of Cam. His end of season press conference when he treated it as a "no brainer" that Cam would be brought back back because he makes our offense "exciting" felt like a slap in the face.

Overall I would say I'm a 3 on this scale, simply because I don't know when, if ever, he'll show Cam the door.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1327860245' post='978637']

I personally thought he was very good with his challenges this year, he won most of them.

Time management is bad because we always seem to be wasting a time out early in the first/third quarter because of some lame reason or another on offense, how much of that is his fault I don't know.

I like the attitude that he brought to this team of "no nonsense" which Billick certainly didn't have.

My biggest gripe with him (by a mile) is his blind love of Cam. His end of season press conference when he treated it as a "no brainer" that Cam would be brought back back because he makes our offense "exciting" felt like a slap in the face.

Overall I would say I'm a 3 on this scale, simply because I don't know when, if ever, he'll show Cam the door.
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Yeah I said he improved this season on his challenges. He still had a few boneheaded ones though.

Time management could very well be on Cam as we've seen he takes forever to get plays onto the field. Still, Harbs is Cam's boss so no improvement there falls on him ultimately.

It is his dismissal of the fans' opinions, and the way he acts like we don't see what we see from our offense that probably turns me off the most. Like you state, his attitude that of course we'd bring back Cam and that our offense made these great strides and was exciting. I have to wonder what games he was watching. Maybe he just blocked a great deal of them out.

[Gordo52]

I said 4 only because he decided to bring Cam back.

[IMissMattStover]

This seems like a rediculous thread. Look at the success Harbs has had the past four years. We shouldnt have to question our confidence.

[SideStep77]

4 years. 4 playoff appearances. Seems fine to me. We could be a team that is lucky to make the playoffs every 6 years. As long as Harbaugh and the rest of the team keeps doing their thing we will continue to have success years to come.

[ratedr]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1327860245' post='978637']

I personally thought he was very good with his challenges this year, he won most of them.

Time management is bad because we always seem to be wasting a time out early in the first/third quarter because of some lame reason or another on offense, how much of that is his fault I don't know.

I like the attitude that he brought to this team of "no nonsense" which Billick certainly didn't have.

My biggest gripe with him (by a mile) is his blind love of Cam. His end of season press conference when he treated it as a "no brainer" that Cam would be brought back back because he makes our offense "exciting" felt like a slap in the face.

Overall I would say I'm a 3 on this scale, simply because I don't know when, if ever, he'll show Cam the door.
[/quote]
I agree with all of this. I also said 3.

[Yum Chickens]

He's a leader, he's classy, he's what we need. Leaders are hard to find these days, he gives his players respect, usually just off the screen. His brother gives respect no matter where the cameras are, which is fine as well. Too bad for the rest of the NFL there aren't any more brothers.

Edit: Grammar stuff

[The Raven]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1327860138' post='978634']

Our offense was different than what we've seen in the past, IMO. A lot more deep passes and they implemented a zone-running/blocking scheme. Still had the same result, underwhelming and overall not good enough, but it was different.

Again, just because Harbaugh doesn't explicit say what he does doesn't mean he is just playing solitaire at the Castle.

And I won't fault Harbaugh for David Reed and Billy Cundiff crapping themselves, those mistakes are entirely the players' faults. The parts of ST that were coach-able, punt and kick coverage, need to get a lot better though. Harbaugh's biggest issue is his confidence in Cam Cameron. The offense wasn't where it should be, and I hope they know it.
[/quote]

On the blocking scheme, it takes time for an offense to transition to a new scheme, and we really started to put the run game together late in the season. Our run game did improve from last season, so I'm okay right now.

I want to see more short passes.

On punt and kick coverage, it is coachable, but the players still gotta cover. We have been one of the best in coverage the previous 3 years. 2008, 2009, and 2010 we were great in that area. This year was an anomaly. This leads me to believe coaching isn't the issue, rather personnel. Harbs and Rosburg have been here the previous 3 years, I highly doubt that they are the problem.

I say 5. 44 wins, 4 years? 4 playoff appearences? Very few player issues. No locker room cancers. Classy team. I have a ton of confidence in him as our HC.

[Militant X 1]

i like coach Harbs.

~Mili

[Guest RBates]

3 and falling fast. Harbaugh's time is over as far as mistakes are concerned. Going into year five i expect all the clock management issues to be cleaned up. Special teams better look a whole heck of a lot better. If this offense looks like it did last year, that will be the last straw.

[CapoRocky]

I gave him a 4 because I don't think that he deserves a 5 until we make it past the divisional round. Still, I am very confident that we will be in the hunt again next year.

[berad]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1327877166' post='978872']

On the blocking scheme, it takes time for an offense to transition to a new scheme, and we really started to put the run game together late in the season. Our run game did improve from last season, so I'm okay right now.

I want to see more short passes.

[b]On punt and kick coverage, it is coachable, but the players still gotta cover. [/b]We have been one of the best in coverage the previous 3 years. 2008, 2009, and 2010 we were great in that area. This year was an anomaly. This leads me to believe coaching isn't the issue, rather personnel. Harbs and Rosburg have been here the previous 3 years, I highly doubt that they are the problem.

I say 5. 44 wins, 4 years? 4 playoff appearences? Very few player issues. No locker room cancers. Classy team. I have a ton of confidence in him as our HC.
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Indeed, Patrick Peterson breaking 3-4 tackles on his punt return TD has nothing to do with Harbaugh or Rosburg, but I think we were 31st in the league in kick coverage or something. Either way, it has to improve.

Don't get me wrong, I love Harbs as a coach - he instilled discipline, is loyal to players and coaches, focuses the team, and generally says the right thing to the media (if he makes Steeler fans cranky, that's ok by me). Our team has more chemistry and devotion to each other than I've ever seen in my time as a fan. I voted a 4 because of the Cameron issue - which, honestly, isn't as big of a deal as advertised - and some clock management problems.

[tctony]

I say 3.

He fails to see the faults in some guys, namely Cameron and Cundiff.

If we keep Cundiff around next season, I'll be pretty salty. Just to be blunt and save myself the typing: Cundiff sucks. If anybody wants to challenge me on that we can argue that.

Everybody but Harbaugh can see that Cameron isn't cutting it. With the talent we have, we should perform a lot better on offense.

However, you can't argue with the results the last 4 years. But I am apprehensive as to whether Harbaugh can get us over the hump.

[Grapple Raven]

#3 I am just numb at the present time.

I have alot of faith in the talent and ablility of our players and do congratulate them on a fantastic season. But I feel that was more "in spite of" instead of "due to" Harbs' unwaivering faith in Cam. Hearing Cam say that there was never any question by Steve, Ozzie and Harbs to bring him back leads me to ponder their judgement. I will adopt a "wait and see" attitude, but I will definately say that the mangagement of the Ravens have something to prove for the upcoming season to say the least.

[ratedr]

I just can't help but feel that the team succeeds because of the talent and leadership of the players, not Harbaugh. I can't think of a team that is more talented than us from top to bottom aside from the Packers and Steelers. And both of those teams have won rings recently.