Give Flacco More Audibles And Control Of Offence!

[balimore]

Sadly Cam is coming back next season.
But Give flacco more control on offense!!!!

[Sizzlebshu]

I agree with this so long as Flacco gets a qb coach. I feel like a coach other than Cam helping Flacco transition into this will be important. I want Flacco to get more control of the offense, but I also want him to have improvement with this as it will be a degree of control he has never had before, and leaning to make good decisions will be key.

[Alexir]

I would like to see to see some guys step up and would like to see accountability. From the owner on down, where Mr. B said he likes to see Cam under fire last year, to Harbs saying he will be more involved in the offense, and Joe saying he has more freedom or ability to change the call if need be.

It's just all talk and we are going back into this season with the same guy at qb and same guy at offensive coordinator. They cannot coexist in this offense.

[codizzle]

What about the offense*

[ravensdfan]

Audibles will not help us. Cam is so slow getting in the plays that Flacco has no time at the line to make a read and call an audible. We will just wind up wasting a bazillion time outs or getting a bazillion delay of game penalties.

[VA_Fan]

This is what we have been saying the whole year so it seems unlikely to happen if it hasn't already. I just can not get over the fact that Ozzie and Harbs actually think Cam is any good. We see it, the media see's it and every team we play see's it but our management team is blind to it it seems.

[flynismo]

Smallow, reat and offence....

[GrimCoconut]

To be fair to the OP, "offence" is the British English form of our American English "offense". I agree, btw. We should give Joe an armband.

[AsianRice]

Cam hurts my head.......

[Alexir]

From all indications from John, Cam and Joe's mouth is that he did have the control to change the play at the line if need be. So either all 3 of them are lying or Joe isn't comfortable doing that, hence why we need to get him a QB Coach to read defenses with.

[Militant X 1]

have you all forgotten what Cam said about audibles? let me remind you:

The latest topic in Baltimore this week is audibling, and [b]whether quarterback [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11252"]Joe Flacco[/url] has enough freedom to run the offense and change the play as he sees fit[/b]. [u][i][b]Cameron doesn't believe that's the cure-all to the offense's woes[/b][/i][/u].

[u][i][b]"Audibling is overrated. It really is," [/b][/i][/u]Cameron told reporters in Baltimore. [i][u][b]"I mean, it's good to talk about[/b][/u][/i], and I could sit here and let you guys think we do all this audibling and how clever we are and how tricky we are and all that stuff. It depends on how teams are playing you. Or the way teams are playing us, [u][i][b]we're better off calling a play, making sure everybody knows what that play is and executing that play[/b][/i][/u]. [i][u][b]That's what’s best for us right now[/b][/u][/i]. However, we have the potential to audible every play if we chose, because we’ve done that."

we should have got rid of this clueless tool when we had the chance! smh!

~Mili

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1327778868' post='977845']
From all indications from John, Cam and Joe's mouth is that he did have the control to change the play at the line if need be. So either all 3 of them are lying or Joe isn't comfortable doing that, hence why we need to get him a QB Coach to read defenses with.
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No they aren't lying. But by ability to change the play (there was an interview where Cam went into further detail) he can kill play 1 for play 2. Both tired old plays from Cam.

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1327778961' post='977846']
have you all forgotten what Cam said about audibles? let me remind you:

The latest topic in Baltimore this week is audibling, and [b]whether quarterback [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11252"]Joe Flacco[/url] has enough freedom to run the offense and change the play as he sees fit[/b]. [u][i][b]Cameron doesn't believe that's the cure-all to the offense's woes[/b][/i][/u].

[u][i][b]"Audibling is overrated. It really is," [/b][/i][/u]Cameron told reporters in Baltimore. [i][u][b]"I mean, it's good to talk about[/b][/u][/i], and I could sit here and let you guys think we do all this audibling and how clever we are and how tricky we are and all that stuff. It depends on how teams are playing you. Or the way teams are playing us, [u][i][b]we're better off calling a play, making sure everybody knows what that play is and executing that play[/b][/i][/u]. [i][u][b]That's what’s best for us right now[/b][/u][/i]. However, we have the potential to audible every play if we chose, because we’ve done that."

we should have got rid of this clueless tool when we had the chance! smh!

~Mili
[/quote]

to be honest, Cam has a point. whether it's the right point is beyond me, but i can understand where he is coming from. Cam believes that good execution trumps being predictable. To a degree, he might be right. Our offense was still pretty good considering the high-tiered defenses that we played this year. Cam's playcalling, however, should be looked at. While he might call 75% of a game perfectly, there will always be just a couple headscratchers. the 3rd and 1 where rice got stopped for a loss of like 5 and the first play of the game this past weekend were those moments.

Where i see Flacco improving, and he was wonderful in the AFCCG, was with his ability to scramble. He made what, 3 first downs with his legs? Joe is also at his best either in shotgun or rolling out of the pocket to his right. He's one of the best QBs in the NFL when he has time to set his feet.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1327778961' post='977846']
have you all forgotten what Cam said about audibles? let me remind you:

The latest topic in Baltimore this week is audibling, and [b]whether quarterback [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11252"]Joe Flacco[/url] has enough freedom to run the offense and change the play as he sees fit[/b]. [u][i][b]Cameron doesn't believe that's the cure-all to the offense's woes[/b][/i][/u].

[u][i][b]"Audibling is overrated. It really is," [/b][/i][/u]Cameron told reporters in Baltimore. [i][u][b]"I mean, it's good to talk about[/b][/u][/i], and I could sit here and let you guys think we do all this audibling and how clever we are and how tricky we are and all that stuff. It depends on how teams are playing you. Or the way teams are playing us, [u][i][b]we're better off calling a play, making sure everybody knows what that play is and executing that play[/b][/i][/u]. [i][u][b]That's what’s best for us right now[/b][/u][/i]. However, we have the potential to audible every play if we chose, because we’ve done that."

we should have got rid of this clueless tool when we had the chance! smh!

~Mili
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Wow. How is it overrated? lol. If we know what the D is about to do why not change the play into something that might work better.
I really have no clue what John and Ozzie see in this guy. Its frustrating reading stuff like that.

[Alexir]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1327779254' post='977859']

No they aren't lying. But by ability to change the play (there was an interview where Cam went into further detail) he can kill play 1 for play 2. Both tired old plays from Cam.
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Sounds like a small lie because if Cam is getting him only 2 plays, that's not really giving him the control they said he has.

[reediddy]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327776145' post='977776']
Smallow, reat and offence....
[/quote]

Modern vocabulary

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1327780223' post='977906']
Sounds like a small lie because if Cam is getting him only 2 plays, that's not really giving him the control they said he has.
[/quote]

I've seen absolutely no evidence that Joe was ever given the control they claimed. Nor have I heard anything other than that one thing that had said Joe can go to Cam if he has an "idea" for a play and then Cam will implement it (or not, if he doesn't want to) and that he has the freedom to dump play one for play 2 if he sees something in the defense.

[True]

This is a "Fu Manchu Offense" so at least Cam's being honest that the O isn't going to look pretty lol..

[ghost1986]

[quote name='VA_Fan' timestamp='1327775830' post='977769']
This is what we have been saying the whole year so it seems unlikely to happen if it hasn't already. I just can not get over the fact that Ozzie and Harbs actually think Cam is any good. We see it, the media see's it and every team we play see's it but our management team is blind to it it seems.
[/quote]
You said it best. We've all been saying this, but it never happens. Flacco needs to step up, but I fear if he does that, he'll end up in the same position as Pagano.

[CapoRocky]

We need a tall receiver to add to the offense. Someone with a true red zone presence that doesn't easily have the ball stripped from him.

[Alexir]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1327783295' post='977997']
We need a tall receiver to add to the offense. Someone with a true red zone presence that doesn't easily have the ball stripped from him.
[/quote]
If it takes us two tall tight ends, a possesion receiver, 2 elite guards, a speedster, a powerful 1-2 punch at rb and a tall receiver to get this offense going then I think it's time to sit back and question what the coaches and front office see in their QB or OC.

[rlh445]

Hahahahaha. Right. Because the past four years of history with Joe and Cam mean nothing, and Cam is all of a sudden going to see the light and change *anything* in his offense. I'd love for Joe to get some sort of bone, but obviously at the Castle everything seems to be going as planned and Cam's always right, which means Joe's gonna be stuck as the only guy without a freakin' play armband in the entire league.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1327795818' post='978200']
Hahahahaha. Right. Because the past four years of history with Joe and Cam mean nothing, and Cam is all of a sudden going to see the light and change *anything* in his offense. I'd love for Joe to get some sort of bone, but obviously at the Castle everything seems to be going as planned and Cam's always right, which means Joe's gonna be stuck as[b] the only guy without a freakin' play armband in the entire league.[/b]
[/quote]

A good number of QBs in the league don't wear armbands.

[CapoRocky]

Flacco doesn't need an armband. He needs to keep moving out of the pocket to escape the pressure.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1327796497' post='978212']

A good number of QBs in the league don't wear armbands.
[/quote]

Conversely, a good number of great QBs in this league do. I'm not sure what singling out one single sentence in an entire paragraph did for ya, but thanks for responding!

[atlravensfan]

I am going to get killed for saying this. I am all for letting ray rice walk and getting a number one guy with the cap space and letting flacco totally run the offense. Get a pass blocking LT and Sign Grubbs. Ray rice is going to want the brinks truck backed up for him. He is one of the best RBs in the league and will kill our cap. Cam Camerans offense doesn't really require a stud back just a back to pick up 3 or 4 yards a carry and set up the vertical game. We have an amazing deep threat in Smith and a great over the middle guy in Boldin and a VJax would make that a great 3wr threat with two good possession TEs.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1327783122' post='977995']
You said it best. We've all been saying this, but it never happens. [b]Flacco needs to step up[/b], but I fear if he does that, he'll end up in the same position as Pagano.
[/quote]

I believe Flacco has tried to call Cam out in the media, but he knows the position he is in. You can't come out and say your coach sucks in this league, no matter how true it may be.

Does anyone actually think Joe is magically going to be given control of the offense this season? Four years of Cam is enough for me to know that isn't going to happen. This is the story of Cam's entire career.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1327795818' post='978200']
Hahahahaha. Right. Because the past four years of history with Joe and Cam mean nothing, and Cam is all of a sudden going to see the light and change *anything* in his offense. I'd love for Joe to get some sort of bone, but obviously at the Castle everything seems to be going as planned and Cam's always right, which means Joe's gonna be stuck as the only guy without a freakin' play armband in the entire league.
[/quote]

Well at least next season. I honestly don't see him agreeing to sign anything with Cam still here. There is a good chance our franchise guy will take a walk if they are going to give Cam any kind of multiple year deal.

[rondubs]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1327807634' post='978341']

Well at least next season. I honestly don't see him agreeing to sign anything with Cam still here. There is a good chance our franchise guy will take a walk if they are going to give Cam any kind of multiple year deal.
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It's funny, very funny actually, but I saw this coming a long time before this game actually happened. It's like no one thinks about what happened before the championship game because we all forget about the past when something better comes along. It's like an old girlfriend, when a better one comes along you just forget about the old one. Seems now everyone is riding the Flacco bandwagon as if he has been the best thing week in and week out. Does everyone remember that the Patriots defense was one of the worst in the league. It wasn't good all year so it was expected that our team (along with the rest of the good teams in the league) would be able to score points and move the ball. Did everyone forget about that? The Patriots D was in the bottom half I'm sure and had one of the worst, if not the worst, pass defense this season. If Joe is what we all are saying he is, he would have put up the points that our team needed to win the game. Against a bad defense, we should have won. Our defense played well enough for us to win. Did everyone forget that Joe threw an interception before the drive where Lee Evans dropped the TD pass? If it were not for our defense, Joe would have already lost that game for us. Just like some years back against Indy in the playoffs, Joe threw the Int that cost us the game trying to go over the middle and miss seeing a defensive guy underneath. Joe Flacco needs to put up numbers against the good teams for me to give him any credit like he's getting in these forums. Everyone is backing him because Ed Reed called him out and many feel sorry for him. Well, I don't feel sorry for Joe. I think we need to keep him simply because he gives us a chance to win given the salary cap and other reasons. However, we all need to realize that if Trent Dilfer won a superbowl with an amazing D-fense back in the 2000's, there is no reason why Flacco doesn't have a ring by now. The reason they don't have one is because of Joe Flacco himself. What everyone needs to realize is that if you want to beat a team, don't keep doing it on a last drive or having to come back. Against a bad defense, if Joe wanted to win the game he would have given us a good enough lead and let our defense win the game. Thats what Trent at least tried to do. You can't win if you don't have the lead. Joe isn't the winner we think he is. I think we take away from the team Joe is on. If we didn't have a top 3 defense almost every year trust and believe Joe Flacco would not be a winning QB. Look at Tom Brady, Drew Brees,...some of the top notch QB's. They win even without a strong defense. That's a winning QB. Peyton goes down and his team can't even win a game because it has NO defense. I would even think if he had a quality backup like Trent Green or even that Kyle Orton guy throwing 400 yards every now and then starting for us, we'd be a winning team and possibly in the SuperBowl. Everyone says pass protection's the issue. How many QB's don't feel any pressure. Joe needs to have better pocket awareness...thats all. Peyton's O-line wasn't as great is it looked. He made them look good getting ride of the ball quick and knowing where to move in the pocket. The better QB's don't complain about the O-line unless they are getting hit on every play (like a J Cutler whom I feel so bad for). Joe Flacco has 2 Pro Bowl O-lineman and not one of those guys in front of him would get a bad rating anywhere. Plus we have a good blocking fullback to add. They have 3 1st round picks on that line and the others are...well...Pro Bowlers (Matt Birk, Marshall Yanda). Flacco needs to improve. He needs to work on quicker reads, reading defenses and knowing when the defense may blitz, staying confident (stop missing short throws to Hback, receivers) in the pocket or out and throwing the ball away if need be to prevent all of his fumbles. Yeah, im sure you guys all forgot how many times he fumbled this year too. It's ok, one good game and we forget everything. Against the Texans, Flacco stunk it up as he usually does against great defenses. Ok that was alot, but here's what needs to happen either in 2012 or 2013 for us to win a SuperBowl. 1st--get rid of Cam Cameron, he is just way too predictable. I even know if its a run where its going. I havent even seen Cam call a run from a single back set. Doesn't he know that some RB's dont need a fullback to gain a yard? He needs to check into that. The Patriots Hb actually gets like 5 yards a run because the defense has to substitute players to protect the pass. You dont think Ray Rice would look good with 3 or 4 receivers every now and then? I never see a toss, or anything different. Just run it right between the guard and tackles. Norv Turner's dissection of the Raven's defense lets you see just how a OC can improve a team dramatically. 2nd--Joe flacco needs to get a QB coach so that he can read defenses better. Also, he needs to input plays that he likes that also agree with what the coordinator needs to call for the team to have a good shot to win games. Both Joe and the OC need to be on the same page. Im not the one to say Joe should call his own plays yet. He doesn't even know when the blitz is coming and where it's coming from. I wouldnt want him calling his own play and then getting sacked or picked or even going against time management strategy (as he did against the Texans). Maybe if he sees something and its wide open, he makes a change but other than that, I think he should only make a change on a read in coverage (such as calling a quick slant or go-route when a blitz is coming and a route may be wide open). 3rd--make sure that the Defense doesn't regress. I think our coordinator may not be too much of a downgrade given his success in New England. Time will tell. I think we need to let Jarret Johnson go and bring in a speed rusher that is a fair tackler. We still have big tacklers on our defense so loosing Jarret wont hurt too much. Having the secondary that we have, bringing in a speed rusher to go with a strong D-line will put more pressure on the opposing QB thus forcing more turn-overs and giving us more chances to score with our offense and defense. I really wish we didnt get rid of Antwan Barnes. That guy was super fast and put pressure on every play. I knew he would be good. He went to San Diego and lead them in sacks. I don't think Sergio's the answer. We need to look into the draft or find a free agent in this area. If these 3 things happen, I'm sure our team will have a chance to win a Superbowl every year. Oh, let me not forget, get rid of our kicker too. Go with a kicker that has a reputation for Making the big kick (not missing). Thats that...now lets see what the management decides to do these next few years. Keeping Cam doesnt look like a good start nor keeping a kicker that lost you a chance from 32 yards out. John Hardbaugh, were winning right now and we wont always be so we gotta make these moves now and sit on our rings when the loosing comes back around. DO IT NOW .....

[raybaby]

[quote name='rondubs' timestamp='1327828526' post='978430']

It's funny, very funny actually, but I saw this coming a long time before this game actually happened. It's like no one thinks about what happened before the championship game because we all forget about the past when something better comes along. It's like an old girlfriend, when a better one comes along you just forget about the old one. Seems now everyone is riding the Flacco bandwagon as if he has been the best thing week in and week out. Does everyone remember that the Patriots defense was one of the worst in the league. It wasn't good all year so it was expected that our team (along with the rest of the good teams in the league) would be able to score points and move the ball. Did everyone forget about that? The Patriots D was in the bottom half I'm sure and had one of the worst, if not the worst, pass defense this season. If Joe is what we all are saying he is, he would have put up the points that our team needed to win the game. Against a bad defense, we should have won. Our defense played well enough for us to win. Did everyone forget that Joe threw an interception before the drive where Lee Evans dropped the TD pass? If it were not for our defense, Joe would have already lost that game for us. Just like some years back against Indy in the playoffs, Joe threw the Int that cost us the game trying to go over the middle and miss seeing a defensive guy underneath. Joe Flacco needs to put up numbers against the good teams for me to give him any credit like he's getting in these forums. Everyone is backing him because Ed Reed called him out and many feel sorry for him. Well, I don't feel sorry for Joe. I think we need to keep him simply because he gives us a chance to win given the salary cap and other reasons. However, we all need to realize that if Trent Dilfer won a superbowl with an amazing D-fense back in the 2000's, there is no reason why Flacco doesn't have a ring by now. The reason they don't have one is because of Joe Flacco himself. What everyone needs to realize is that if you want to beat a team, don't keep doing it on a last drive or having to come back. Against a bad defense, if Joe wanted to win the game he would have given us a good enough lead and let our defense win the game. Thats what Trent at least tried to do. You can't win if you don't have the lead. Joe isn't the winner we think he is. I think we take away from the team Joe is on. If we didn't have a top 3 defense almost every year trust and believe Joe Flacco would not be a winning QB. Look at Tom Brady, Drew Brees,...some of the top notch QB's. They win even without a strong defense. That's a winning QB. Peyton goes down and his team can't even win a game because it has NO defense. I would even think if he had a quality backup like Trent Green or even that Kyle Orton guy throwing 400 yards every now and then starting for us, we'd be a winning team and possibly in the SuperBowl. Everyone says pass protection's the issue. How many QB's don't feel any pressure. Joe needs to have better pocket awareness...thats all. Peyton's O-line wasn't as great is it looked. He made them look good getting ride of the ball quick and knowing where to move in the pocket. The better QB's don't complain about the O-line unless they are getting hit on every play (like a J Cutler whom I feel so bad for). Joe Flacco has 2 Pro Bowl O-lineman and not one of those guys in front of him would get a bad rating anywhere. Plus we have a good blocking fullback to add. They have 3 1st round picks on that line and the others are...well...Pro Bowlers (Matt Birk, Marshall Yanda). Flacco needs to improve. He needs to work on quicker reads, reading defenses and knowing when the defense may blitz, staying confident (stop missing short throws to Hback, receivers) in the pocket or out and throwing the ball away if need be to prevent all of his fumbles. Yeah, im sure you guys all forgot how many times he fumbled this year too. It's ok, one good game and we forget everything. Against the Texans, Flacco stunk it up as he usually does against great defenses. Ok that was alot, but here's what needs to happen either in 2012 or 2013 for us to win a SuperBowl. 1st--get rid of Cam Cameron, he is just way too predictable. I even know if its a run where its going. I havent even seen Cam call a run from a single back set. Doesn't he know that some RB's dont need a fullback to gain a yard? He needs to check into that. The Patriots Hb actually gets like 5 yards a run because the defense has to substitute players to protect the pass. You dont think Ray Rice would look good with 3 or 4 receivers every now and then? I never see a toss, or anything different. Just run it right between the guard and tackles. Norv Turner's dissection of the Raven's defense lets you see just how a OC can improve a team dramatically. 2nd--Joe flacco needs to get a QB coach so that he can read defenses better. Also, he needs to input plays that he likes that also agree with what the coordinator needs to call for the team to have a good shot to win games. Both Joe and the OC need to be on the same page. Im not the one to say Joe should call his own plays yet. He doesn't even know when the blitz is coming and where it's coming from. I wouldnt want him calling his own play and then getting sacked or picked or even going against time management strategy (as he did against the Texans). Maybe if he sees something and its wide open, he makes a change but other than that, I think he should only make a change on a read in coverage (such as calling a quick slant or go-route when a blitz is coming and a route may be wide open). 3rd--make sure that the Defense doesn't regress. I think our coordinator may not be too much of a downgrade given his success in New England. Time will tell. I think we need to let Jarret Johnson go and bring in a speed rusher that is a fair tackler. We still have big tacklers on our defense so loosing Jarret wont hurt too much. Having the secondary that we have, bringing in a speed rusher to go with a strong D-line will put more pressure on the opposing QB thus forcing more turn-overs and giving us more chances to score with our offense and defense. I really wish we didnt get rid of Antwan Barnes. That guy was super fast and put pressure on every play. I knew he would be good. He went to San Diego and lead them in sacks. I don't think Sergio's the answer. We need to look into the draft or find a free agent in this area. If these 3 things happen, I'm sure our team will have a chance to win a Superbowl every year. Oh, let me not forget, get rid of our kicker too. Go with a kicker that has a reputation for Making the big kick (not missing). Thats that...now lets see what the management decides to do these next few years. Keeping Cam doesnt look like a good start nor keeping a kicker that lost you a chance from 32 yards out. John Hardbaugh, were winning right now and we wont always be so we gotta make these moves now and sit on our rings when the loosing comes back around. DO IT NOW .....
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I stopped reading the rest of your post after I read Flacco stunk up the field against the Texans. You are really short sighted and lack football knowledge. I'll put it this way... you know Big Ben... the one with two rings... his offense only scored 5 more points at home against the Patriots... with his D getting a lot more 3 & outs... if Evans catches the TD pass Joe would have put up more points. FYI I don't think the Pats D is good by any means but they are a lot better at red zone defense hence why they are middle ranked in points while give up a lot of yards. I could give you play by play reasons why Joe was the best player on the field Sunday and why he didn't stink up the field against the Texans but I'm not going to spend that kind of effort on you.