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[BloodRaven]

We're better than "most of the rest of the league" and should expect better.

Also, cut Dickson.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

How often do you see Rodgers on the field with 3 to 5 targets down field to pick from? Thats how he gets so many yards on less throws. Im pretty sure YAC have alot to do with it too. Flacco lines up with 2 wideouts and a checkdown to Ray Rice so that in itself will tell you his yards per throw will be lower. If they drop 6 men into coverage and Joe has 3 targets everyone could be double teamed with a spy on Rice. Hoping this season brings a new mindset to our offense with Caldwell in the room too.

[izvoodoo]

Alexir, on 09 February 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

I'll give you Greg Jennings and Finley but driver is basically Mason, James JOnes has tons of drops and Jordy Nelson wouldn't fair to well on another team. It may be a system, but it surely isn't all the talent.

Stack it up though. Greg Jennings is better than Boldin, James Jones is better than Torrey, even with the drops. Jordy nelson is better than Lee evans. They just have better match ups across the board and all around. Green Bay has the best receiving core in the league by and large.

Edit:
Donald Driver is better than Laquan Williams. In fact I'd say Jordy Nelson is better than torrey Smith at this point too. Look at the tape, those guys get behind people and open underneath. They can run every route and run every route on every play. It's just a good group all around.

Edited by izvoodoo, 09 February 2012 - 11:45 AM.

[arnie_uk]

it’s not so much the amount of drops, more the timing of them. I’d be willing to bet a lot of our drops where in irrecoverable times, such as 3rd down. Once it happens we can’t change it, it kills momentum, almost game changers. Or else in the red zone, or else really easy should have made catches. Most other drops i have seen of other teams have been difficult contested catches, whereas most of ours are inexcusable

[Suggs Package]

Those charts are awesome. Simple and straight to the point.

But have you noticed 7/10 with the lowest drop rates either play in warm climates or domes? I think weather has a bit to do with drops. Try catching a Joe Flacco pass in 30 degree weather with no gloves when its raining.

[MLGWL20]

BloodRaven, on 09 February 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

We're better than "most of the rest of the league" and should expect better.

Also, cut Dickson.

Glad you're not the GM

[PurpleCorsair]

DMH_in_WA, on 27 January 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

To give a better look, I've figured out the number of passing attempts per drop using the drops and total passing attempts by team and re-ranked them (#1 best / #32 worst) - Play off Teams highlighted.
Average in the NFL this year was about 20.3 passes before a drop (Jets were dead on the average). While we're not great, we are within a small percentage of most of the rest of the league on both in either direction.

-D

This is all well and good except for the fact that Joe's attempts are way out of his career average at 542.

Edited by PurpleCorsair, 09 February 2012 - 09:40 PM.

[Yum Chickens]

BloodRaven, on 09 February 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

We're better than "most of the rest of the league" and should expect better.

Also, cut Dickson.

Ah yes, cut the guy we pay 550k a year that makes mistakes every now and then. Good call. Let's replace him with someone cheap like Graham

[Alexir]

izvoodoo, on 09 February 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

Stack it up though. Greg Jennings is better than Boldin, James Jones is better than Torrey, even with the drops. Jordy nelson is better than Lee evans. They just have better match ups across the board and all around. Green Bay has the best receiving core in the league by and large.

Edit:
Donald Driver is better than Laquan Williams. In fact I'd say Jordy Nelson is better than torrey Smith at this point too. Look at the tape, those guys get behind people and open underneath. They can run every route and run every route on every play. It's just a good group all around.

What confuses me is that everyone thinks Flacco is great, Everyone thinks Ozzie is a genius, Harbs is an amazing coach, yet everyone is always upset with our receivers. Which makes no sense if the above listed is true. Joe should be able to throw to anyone, Ozzie drafted these receivers so they must be good and Harbs put his mark on the offense and endorsed Cam to stay.

We were all ecstatic about getting either Brandon Marshall or trading for Boldin and we got Boldin and everyone was thrilled. Now some people want him to be cut and others saying he isn't any good. It just amuses me. Torrey averaged 16 yards a catch and had 7 touchdowns for a rookie without a training camp and no one can give the respect where it is due. He is a rookie, Boldin is a machine. I am fine with the receivers we have. Yeah Evans was injured all season and yes he had a strip against NE but if he comes back healthy, we will be top 5 in the league receiver wise (WR's only).

[VJax83]

Alexir, on 09 February 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

What confuses me is that everyone thinks Flacco is great, Everyone thinks Ozzie is a genius, Harbs is an amazing coach, yet everyone is always upset with our receivers. Which makes no sense if the above listed is true. Joe should be able to throw to anyone, Ozzie drafted these receivers so they must be good and Harbs put his mark on the offense and endorsed Cam to stay.

We were all ecstatic about getting either Brandon Marshall or trading for Boldin and we got Boldin and everyone was thrilled. Now some people want him to be cut and others saying he isn't any good. It just amuses me. Torrey averaged 16 yards a catch and had 7 touchdowns for a rookie without a training camp and no one can give the respect where it is due. He is a rookie, Boldin is a machine. I am fine with the receivers we have. Yeah Evans was injured all season and yes he had a strip against NE but if he comes back healthy, we will be top 5 in the league receiver wise (WR's only).

Dude you are hilarious, in the T.O. thread you were whining about how the Ravens should have resigned Mason while Boldin was hurt even though he missed only two games but now your ok with bringing Evans back? Wow your
something else. I wish the offseason would speed up so we can reduce some of the nonsense on this board.

[shootyoup]

PurpleCorsair, on 09 February 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

This is all well and good except for the fact that Joe's attempts are way out of his career average at 542.

So? Attempts per drops accounts for this, rather than just listing the amount of drops.

[shootyoup]

PurpleCorsair, on 09 February 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

This is all well and good except for the fact that Joe's attempts are way out of his career average at 542.

So? Attempts per drops accounts for this, rather than just listing the amount of drops.

Alexir, on 09 February 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

What confuses me is that everyone thinks Flacco is great, Everyone thinks Ozzie is a genius, Harbs is an amazing coach, yet everyone is always upset with our receivers. Which makes no sense if the above listed is true. Joe should be able to throw to anyone, Ozzie drafted these receivers so they must be good and Harbs put his mark on the offense and endorsed Cam to stay.

We were all ecstatic about getting either Brandon Marshall or trading for Boldin and we got Boldin and everyone was thrilled. Now some people want him to be cut and others saying he isn't any good. It just amuses me. Torrey averaged 16 yards a catch and had 7 touchdowns for a rookie without a training camp and no one can give the respect where it is due. He is a rookie, Boldin is a machine. I am fine with the receivers we have. Yeah Evans was injured all season and yes he had a strip against NE but if he comes back healthy, we will be top 5 in the league receiver wise (WR's only).

Lee Evans is NOT and never has been a top 5 WR. He used to be a pretty good receiver, but look at his stats over the last three years, they are not impressive. That said, I believe a lineup of Boldin, Smith, Evans, Dickson, Pitta, Rice, and a sometimes solid line is a pretty good arsenal for Flacco. The problem is, IMO, Ravens fans are used to shiz at QB and don't want to be real when evaluating this offense.

The qb's have consistently been held to lower standards. As you can the Ravens are the only team that drops passes, the wide receivers are the worst in the league, we're the only AFC North team that plays other AFC North teams, playing against top defenses is always why we struggle but we don't fare all that well against the 31st ranked defenses either, and obviously as a qb playing with a elite WR would double your TD production and raise your qb rating 20 points but playing alongside a great defense has no effect on winning games.

[cursona pirate]

Greatness, on 28 January 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

We just don't have clutch players. We have talented people, but no one has that 'seal the deal' X-factor. It's quite pathetic and sad when you think about. To end the season that way two years in a row.

*sighs*

I think Pitta is proably the clutchest hands on the recieving corps. He and Flacco just go great together. Dickson and Boldin had there fair share of drops which were unacceptable. Yeah Dickson is only a 2 year player but Boldin come on man!

[Alexir]

VJax83, on 09 February 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Dude you are hilarious, in the T.O. thread you were whining about how the Ravens should have resigned Mason while Boldin was hurt even though he missed only two games but now your ok with bringing Evans back? Wow your
something else. I wish the offseason would speed up so we can reduce some of the nonsense on this board.

Thank you random guy who joined. Vincent Jackson is so overrated by the way. Never did I say Mason would of been on that route to make that catch, I said he would of been a great addition going into the playoffs since he was familiar with the system. What's so bad about Lee Evans? Should he restructure? Yeah, but we already burnt the pick on him and let's see what he can do healthy.

Reduce some of this nonsense on the board? Let me guess you were banned from the board and game back as a new member name? You act like you've been here longer than a day. Joker. Not in a good way...

[Alexir]

shootyoup, on 09 February 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

So? Attempts per drops accounts for this, rather than just listing the amount of drops.
Lee Evans is NOT and never has been a top 5 WR. He used to be a pretty good receiver, but look at his stats over the last three years, they are not impressive. That said, I believe a lineup of Boldin, Smith, Evans, Dickson, Pitta, Rice, and a sometimes solid line is a pretty good arsenal for Flacco. The problem is, IMO, Ravens fans are used to shiz at QB and don't want to be real when evaluating this offense.

The qb's have consistently been held to lower standards. As you can the Ravens are the only team that drops passes, the wide receivers are the worst in the league, we're the only AFC North team that plays other AFC North teams, playing against top defenses is always why we struggle but we don't fare all that well against the 31st ranked defenses either, and obviously as a qb playing with a elite WR would double your TD production and raise your qb rating 20 points but playing alongside a great defense has no effect on winning games.

Never said Lee Evans was a top 5 receiver.

Said with Torrey, Boldin, and Lee, we would probably have a top 5 receiving corps if healthy....and utilized properly.

Green Bay and the Steelers have some pretty good wideouts.

[Jamal]

From the current group of WR's/TE's, I think Pitta is the only guy I would trust on a last minute TD.

That is saying something.

[Alexir]

Jamal, on 10 February 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

From the current group of WR's/TE's, I think Pitta is the only guy I would trust on a last minute TD.

That is saying something.

So we cut Boldin, demote Torrey?

I guess we could trade for Roddy White because he makes Ryan look good..oh wait he led the league in dropped passes.

Well theres Dwayne Bowe or Brandon Marshall! OH wait thats right, they each had 12 dropped passes.

Maybe Victor Cruz, Mike Williams, Hakeem Nicks or Crabtree? Ah thats right they had just as MANY drops as Rice and Boldin....


This is getting absurd. It's part of the game. Drops happen to everyone, were you watching the Pats-Giants game? (talking to all, not just you)

My problem is we aren't utilizing certain routes to get the receivers some separation.

[Jamal]

Alexir, on 10 February 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

So we cut Boldin, demote Torrey?

I guess we could trade for Roddy White because he makes Ryan look good..oh wait he led the league in dropped passes.

Well theres Dwayne Bowe or Brandon Marshall! OH wait thats right, they each had 12 dropped passes.

Maybe Victor Cruz, Mike Williams, Hakeem Nicks or Crabtree? Ah thats right they had just as MANY drops as Rice and Boldin....


This is getting absurd. It's part of the game. Drops happen to everyone, were you watching the Pats-Giants game? (talking to all, not just you)

My problem is we aren't utilizing certain routes to get the receivers some separation.

First of all, you need to calm down. I never said we should cut any of those guys. Nor did I imply it.

All of these guys have had drops in critical situations. (Smith redeemed himself, but you don't get second chances like that very often.)

Drops are part of the game. But our WR's seem to have them at the worst times. You can't argue that.

Edited by Jamal, 10 February 2012 - 12:44 AM.

[Alexir]

Jamal, on 10 February 2012 - 12:43 AM, said:

First of all, you need to calm down. I never said we should cut any of those guys. Nor did I imply it.

All of these guys have had drops in critical situations. (Smith redeemed himself, but you don't get second chances like that very often.)

Drops are part of the game. But our WR's seem to have them at the worst times. You can't argue that.

I'm very calm. I am laughing at all of you who want to replace the receivers or blame receivers, when this happens to a lot of teams.

So none of Roddy White's 15 drops were crucial? Brandon Marshall didn't have a crucial drop? They are all crucial drops. Welker dropped a poorly thrown ball he had to twist and leap backwards for to get his hands on and they are referring to it as the drop that made the Pats lose....and it wasn't even for a Touchdown.

Dang, I'll take the slack for calling out Flacco but man I would never call out a whole position group for our troubles...

[Jamal]

Alexir, on 10 February 2012 - 12:47 AM, said:

I'm very calm. I am laughing at all of you who want to replace the receivers or blame receivers, when this happens to a lot of teams.

So none of Roddy White's 15 drops were crucial? Brandon Marshall didn't have a crucial drop? They are all crucial drops. Welker dropped a poorly thrown ball he had to twist and leap backwards for to get his hands on and they are referring to it as the drop that made the Pats lose....and it wasn't even for a Touchdown.

Dang, I'll take the slack for calling out Flacco but man I would never call out a whole position group for our troubles...

This isn't about other teams.

All I know is, crucial drops have been a huge reason for our last 2 playoff exits. Fact.

(most on good thrown balls btw)

Edited by Jamal, 10 February 2012 - 12:51 AM.