Dean Pees

[flynismo]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1327761100' post='977546']
I think people are afraid that because he knew Mattison and because Mattison was a part of the reason he came here that he will be like him. Also, people seem to get the impression that he will be Return of the Mattison from reports out of New England.

Personally, I'm excited to see what he brings. His stats look good, that's for sure.
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Well, Mattison was a very good DC, despite what people said about him -- he didn't have the talent the other DC's here have had.


I don't want to see this guy suffer the same fate Mattison did -- people hated him before he ever coached his first game for us, and you know how hard it is to change perceptions once you are loved or hated...

[PainKiller]

He sounds good to me... I'd rather hired someone from within. He knows how the Ravens run things and what skill sets the players have. Pagano wasnt perfect either. That San Diego game was a nightmare, and the run D started to slip towards the end of the season.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327761775' post='977557']


Well, Mattison was a very good DC, despite what people said about him -- he didn't have the talent the other DC's here have had.


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Agreed. Especially in the secondary. Pollard > Landry; Webb (2011) & Jimmy/Cary >>>>>> any combination of corners that Mattison had to put on the field.

[scrock]

The Ravens should look towards the Giants if they want to upgrade the pass rush and not always be blitzing...you have got to get pressure with a 3 or 4 man front...get pressure from your regular package, then send blitzes, stunts, etc...makes it so much better

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1327769066' post='977645']
The Ravens should look towards the Giants if they want to upgrade the pass rush and not always be blitzing...you have got to get pressure with a 3 or 4 man front...get pressure from your regular package, then send blitzes, stunts, etc...makes it so much better
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I agree with this 100%. This would free up our OLBs to play the pass or run.

[flynismo]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1327769066' post='977645']
The Ravens should look towards the Giants if they want to upgrade the pass rush and not always be blitzing...you have got to get pressure with a 3 or 4 man front...get pressure from your regular package, then send blitzes, stunts, etc...makes it so much better
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That's what Mattison preached (and Pees does as well, to an extent).
We now have the personnel to do exactly that. We're not going to notch 50+ sacks next year, and I can already hear people complaining about that lol, but I expect next year's defense to be the best one we've had since the 2006 season.

[Gordo52]

Future head coach?

[wayne]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1327769066' post='977645']
The Ravens should look towards the Giants if they want to upgrade the pass rush and not always be blitzing...you have got to get pressure with a 3 or 4 man front...get pressure from your regular package, then send blitzes, stunts, etc...makes it so much better
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Every team desires to get pressure with just a 3 and 4 man rush but that's not that easy as it sounds. Even the Giants has to blitz every now and then b/c its just that hard to get to the QB in enough reasonable time while rushing 4 ( that seemed to be our kryptonite this year, the 4 man rush ). I always liked Mattison style myself b/c for one reason and one reason only, it makes it hard on the elite QBs in the league. You don't beat Brady, Brees, Rodgers, or Manning by constantly blitzing them, you beat them by dropping 7 or 8 into coverage and still be able to get pressure on them.

Anyway, before we played the Pats in the playoffs, almost everyone on here was saying how we should blitz the heck out of Brady and bring back organized chaos and I was like no, that doesn't work on QBs like Brady, basic what-you-see-is-what-you-get, winning your individual battles is what works on the elite QBs. I mean, with your safeties, you can be showing a Cover 2 look and go to a Cover 1 look after the snap of the ball and vice versa but nothing too fancy.

My only knock on Mattison besides using the 3 man rush too much is his blitzes was too predictable ( like Cams playcalling ) when he did blitz and he put too much pressure on the players to win their one on one battles rarely adding any twist and stunts to the D-line play. You want your players to win their one on one but you got to give them a little help here and there, can't constantly expect for them to win their one on ones.

Anyway, from what I'm hearing, I'm happy we have Pees coming in and I look for a big year from Ed if Pees runs a similar style to that of Mattison. We do need another decent pass rusher opposite of Suggs though to really make this style be as effective as it can be. I'm still not sold on Kruger even though he did show flashes of what we expected from him. We need a Woodley to go with Suggs and we would be a more deadly defense.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1327773703' post='977723']
Future head coach?
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Too soon. lol

[Alexir]

Hopefully Dean can get 100% out of Kruger and we can have him starting next year. We need a pass rush on that side and JJ can't get it done.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1327719010' post='977203']
Patriots fans were saying the guy likes to play his corners 20 yards off. lol
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Well that only 7 yds deeper than what we were doing this yr,lol. Its the Truth.

[Jillester]

[quote name='Token' timestamp='1327704536' post='976861']
I don't know. I'm hearing from a lot of Patriots fans that he was [b]just like Greg Mattison[/b] in that he played a conservative style of defense. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Good grief, I hope not...

[Guest RBates]

Im glad Pagano is gone, all pretenders (stage left). How do you make it all the way to the AFC championship game in your first year, then leave your team the following year. I have lost all respect in Pagano. I know it was a great opportunity, but you had an opportunity here to win a Super Bowl. I hope he fails miserably. Coach Pees good luck!!!!!!!!! Hope it works out for you here. We are a family. Business is what you do when you get on the field. Stay a Raven until they kick you out. ( Loyalty )

[Bazooka Joe]

Expect to see what we saw from the D last year. According to Aaron Wilson, Dean does like to throw various looks from the backend. We could be a much better zone defense mixed with our blotz packages. Pees said he's not like Mattison.

This guy is a great hire.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1327785545' post='978032']
Every team desires to get pressure with just a 3 and 4 man rush but that's not that easy as it sounds. Even the Giants has to blitz every now and then b/c its just that hard to get to the QB in enough reasonable time while rushing 4 ( that seemed to be our kryptonite this year, the 4 man rush ). I always liked Mattison style myself b/c for one reason and one reason only, it makes it hard on the elite QBs in the league. You don't beat Brady, Brees, Rodgers, or Manning by constantly blitzing them, you beat them by dropping 7 or 8 into coverage and still be able to get pressure on them.

Anyway, before we played the Pats in the playoffs, almost everyone on here was saying how we should blitz the heck out of Brady and bring back organized chaos and I was like no, that doesn't work on QBs like Brady, basic what-you-see-is-what-you-get, winning your individual battles is what works on the elite QBs. I mean, with your safeties, you can be showing a Cover 2 look and go to a Cover 1 look after the snap of the ball and vice versa but nothing too fancy.

My only knock on Mattison besides using the 3 man rush too much is his blitzes was too predictable ( like Cams playcalling ) when he did blitz and he put too much pressure on the players to win their one on one battles rarely adding any twist and stunts to the D-line play. You want your players to win their one on one but you got to give them a little help here and there, can't constantly expect for them to win their one on ones.

Anyway, from what I'm hearing, I'm happy we have Pees coming in and I look for a big year from Ed if Pees runs a similar style to that of Mattison. We do need another decent pass rusher opposite of Suggs though to really make this style be as effective as it can be. I'm still not sold on Kruger even though he did show flashes of what we expected from him. We need a Woodley to go with Suggs and we would be a more deadly defense.
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If we got a legitimate edge rusher opposite of Suggs than we could seriously be a hard team to deal with defensively, especially if our coverage continues to improve like they did in the Patriots game. I'm a little excited to see how things work out.

And even Pagano stopped getting exotic with the D-line pressure (i'm sure he had his reasons) but McPhee and Suggs were getting pressure off the stunts with Ngata, but mabye his injury stopped those kind of calls because our defense just fired in a straight line

[tctony]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1327894103' post='979091']
If we got a legitimate edge rusher opposite of Suggs than we could seriously be a hard team to deal with defensively, especially if our coverage continues to improve like they did in the Patriots game. I'm a little excited to see how things work out.

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I think we have that guy with McPhee. Can't wait to see what he can do

[Static]

This hire excites me

[Purple City Bird Gang]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1327702392' post='976805']
Took medical leave because he had a bad reacation to a certain kind of Ashtma medication.
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He said he wasn't let go he said he left to pursue other avenues.

[Purple City Bird Gang]

Considering how our defensive coaches leave us he'll be good for a year. Then we can get Clerence Brooks a go at it

[ellicottraven]

After watching his presser and noticing his demeanour, style and approach it seems to me he is like a wise old defensive sage! All will be well with the Ravens D, only better imo!

He came across as someone who is no nonsense with an incredible reservoir of football knowledge that can only serve well and put our players in positions that benefit them game wise!

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1327889711' post='979027']
Im glad Pagano is gone, all pretenders (stage left). How do you make it all the way to the AFC championship game in your first year, then leave your team the following year. I have lost all respect in Pagano. I know it was a great opportunity, but you had an opportunity here to win a Super Bowl. I hope he fails miserably. Coach Pees good luck!!!!!!!!! Hope it works out for you here. We are a family. Business is what you do when you get on the field. Stay a Raven until they kick you out. ( Loyalty )
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Are you serious? It's probably every coach's dream to land a HC job. Pagano just got his opportunity a lot faster than he probably imagined. You ironically mention loyalty as if he's always been with the Ravens organization. If he was to really be loyal like you stated, he would still be with the first NFL team that offered him a job. It's a business! Just like you would probably accept your dream job after only working 1 year somewhere else.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327927548' post='979301']
Are you serious? It's probably every coach's dream to land a HC job. Pagano just got his opportunity a lot faster than he probably imagined. You ironically mention loyalty as if he's always been with the Ravens organization. If he was to really be loyal like you stated, he would still be with the first NFL team that offered him a job. It's a business! Just like you would probably accept your dream job after only working 1 year somewhere else.
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To each is own my friend. I hope he sucks period because he left and because he is in the AFC. You might be right about me accepting my dream job if i was offered it after a year of work. In sports its different though, so its hard to compare the two. I will say this, if given the opportunity to coach the Ravens defense, who i just took to the AFCC, or coach a Peyton Manning less Colts team. Im taking the Ravens Defense all day.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1327934651' post='979365']
To each is own my friend. I hope he sucks period because he left and because he is in the AFC. [u][b]You might be right about me accepting my dream job if i was offered it after a year of work. In sports its different though, so its hard to compare the two.[/b][/u] I will say this, if given the opportunity to coach the Ravens defense, who i just took to the AFCC, [u][b]or coach a Peyton Manning less Colts team. [/b][/u] Im taking the Ravens Defense all day.
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Not much different my friend. The NFL is a business just like being the HC is a job.

He also has the opportunity to build something new with Luck. That's not a bad option either.

Nonetheless I see your point, but if you take the emotions out of it, you can't blame him for
making a career move that's BEST FOR HIM.

[scrock]

No, its not easy to get pressure using 3 or 4 man fronts

I know, you definitely have to have some talented players in those positions, you need a talented group of guys

as well as the right scheme

[SideStep77]

As long as he uses our players to their strengths and allows us to get to the quaterback he is a good coach to me.

[pgk]

Can't confirm any of this because it is hearsay, but a friend of a friend is part of the Pats staff and was there when Pees was there, and below is some stuff that I have heard of him (through the grapevine).

The guy loves to coach. I would assume all coaches love to coach, but he is apparently in it more for this love of coaching/teaching than he is for the money and status. In his last season as the Pats DC he was no longer loving what he was doing. The pats are known for having a strong player culture, but apparently their coaching environment is pretty toxic. Pees had an opportunity to renew his contract but walked away because he wanted to get back to loving what he was doing (great news for us!). If this is in fact true, then I think it bodes well for us because he seems happy here and it doesn't sound like he is interested in becoming a head coach. I noticed during his press conference that he spent a lot of time glowing about how great the coaching staff / culture was at the Ravens, which made me feel like there is some truth to what I had heard about the Pats coaching culture.

Similar to what we have already heard echoed from our players, Pees was a favorite among his players and is very good at gaining their trust and respect. He tries to focus on what the strengths of his players are and build schemes around them. He does however require intelligent players and doesn't have much patience for laziness. The only player that I can think of that might suffer from this is Ellerbe.

Interesting side note: Again I can't confirm if this is true, but another interesting thing that I heard was that in the 2007 SB before Burress scored the last TD, Pees called in a defense with Plax being double teamed and at the last minute Belichick changed the play and left Ellis Hobbs to cover him 1 on 1 resulting in the TD. After the game Pees was getting skewered by the NE media and fan base for the call and Belichick left him hung out to dry and wouldn't own up to changing the call.

If I can get any more info I will post it.

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327927548' post='979301']


Are you serious? It's probably every coach's dream to land a HC job. IoPagano just got his opportunity a lot faster than he probably imagined. You ironically mention loyalty as if he's always been with the Ravens organization. If he was to really be loyal like you stated, he would still be with the first NFL team that offered him a job. It's a business! Just like you would probably accept your dream job after only working 1 year somewhere else.
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[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327927548' post='979301']


Are you serious? It's probably every coach's dream to land a HC job. IoPagano just got his opportunity a lot faster than he probably imagined. You ironically mention loyalty as if he's always been with the Ravens organization. If he was to really be loyal like you stated, he would still be with the first NFL team that offered him a job. It's a business! Just like you would probably accept your dream job after only working 1 year somewhere else.
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To add to your point, Pagano had to strike while iron was hot. No guarantees this HC opportunity is there in a year or two.

I like Dean Pees.

[thecoachingtree]

Now who will fill his spot and coach LBs? Any chance Randy Shannon reunites with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed?