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A Possibility...The End Of Used Games

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Of Microsoft's next console effectively getting rid of used games? I don't believe nothing is confirmed that they will or HOW they will do it but it's going around the web.

Personally, they'd never see a cent out of me. Sure, it's wrong that developers don't see the money out the used game market BUT it's also wrong that they would try to handcuff how their consumers purchase games. They already overcharge for DLC on games, charge their customers to use Xbox Live, and other means of getting that money back, so why should they touch one of the ways consumers can save money on their gaming habits. It's quite ridiculous that there's even a possibility that this could occur. Gaming is an expensive hobby as it is and they get billions of dollars out of the market already. Depending on how they do it, they'd not only be killing used games but they'd effectively kill renting games and taking games to your friend's houses unless you brought your system. Imagine a gaming world where'd that would be the case. Pure greed is what this whole situation is about.

I'm a Playstation guy, but it's makes you wonder if other gaming companies such as Sony will follow the practice as well. The day this report gets confirmed will be a sad one.
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The gaming industry wants to eliminate the used game market but it'll only hurt the industry in the long run.

While publishers and developers don't see a dime from used copies, the long-term effect of used games includes the discovery of titles that consumers wouldn't ordinarily be able/willing to try at full retail price, leading to newfound brand loyalty.

For example, I never would've pre-ordered a new copy of Batman Arkham City if I hadn't bought a used copy of Arkham Asylum and fell in love with it. Same with the Assassin's Creed series.

This will do nothing but create bad blood between the gaming industry and consumers, which will affect sales in the long run.
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Its freaking annoying to say it blatantly. Like you said, they are already making from charging for xbox live, all the accessories, people buying a system, DLC's that are overpriced, marketplace games that you can buy, and a whole bunch of other things.

Not to mention the fact, that if you want a game like Battlefield, or even Madden, and you wanna play it online, you need the online pass. So you probably wouldn't be able to buy it used then.

Like you said, its all greed. I have put so much money into games, gaming things, etc. that its unbelievable. Just last year, i bought Saints Row 3, MW3, Batman, Halo: CE, Skyrim, Dead Island, Gears 3, and at least 2 more that i can't think of. And i had to buy a new controller. So thats $60 for every NEW game, and like $35 for the controller. About $600 on video games. I had to buy a new xbox at the beginning of summer cause that went up from the infamous RRoD. Another $200. So $800 just last year. I know that sounds like a lot, but most of those games came out at the end of the year. I couldn't imagine what some people pay, if they get a few new games every month. So idk what more they want out of us lol.
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I buy new games regularly. I'm fortunate to be able to budget for maybe 2 or 3 new titles a month, if I'm so inclined. However, I also pick up used games to build my library. There's maybe people who are lucky to even be able to afford [i]one[/i] new game a month or every other month. If not for a combination of both new and used titles, my library would be sparse. But beyond that, used games are largely what inform my purchasing decisions when it comes to new titles in franchises.

If you take away the used game market, then you divide the gaming community, eventually affecting both hardware and software sales in the future.
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Money is the bottom line here and I'm always ready to call them out and take on the shills, it's no different to micro transactions and the precedent it sets for the future.
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I understand the part of taking away the used game market, but this doesn't explain HOW they would do that. How would they eliminate the Used Game Market? What are they doing or going to do that will make used games irrelevant? Can someone explain that so I understand this better.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1327725325' post='977341']
I understand the part of taking away the used game market, but this doesn't explain HOW they would do that. How would they eliminate the Used Game Market? What are they doing or going to do that will make used games irrelevant? Can someone explain that so I understand this better.
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It's rumored that Microsoft is investing in technology for their next console that would make it so you can't play used copies. One copy registered per machine, which means no trading or borrowing games with friends. It's similar to the concept of DRM for PC games and software.

The idea is, if used copies won't work with the latest and greatest console, then there'd be no market for used games over time because copies would be useless and have no value.

Other than financial reasons, I sincerely hope nothing comes of this. I share games with my nephew all the time; why should I have to buy my nephew a new game, when he can wait to play my copy when I'm done? Why shouldn't I be able to rent a game and try it out if there's no demo available for download? Why shouldn't my friends and I be able to trade games to see if we'd like to purchase our own copies?

Gaming executives are too worried about the bottom line and many have brainwashed some of their developers into thinking that used games take so much more money out of their pockets. The reality is, the money from game sales that would ideally go back towards developers is actually miniscule compared to what those executives would get.
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[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1327743710' post='977469']
It's rumored that Microsoft is investing in technology for their next console that would make it so you can't play used copies. [b]One copy registered per machine,[/b] which means no trading or borrowing games with friends. It's similar to the concept of DRM for PC games and software.

The idea is, if used copies won't work with the latest and greatest console, then there'd be no market for used games over time because copies would be useless and have no value.

Other than financial reasons, I sincerely hope nothing comes of this. I share games with my nephew all the time; why should I have to buy my nephew a new game, when he can wait to play my copy when I'm done? Why shouldn't I be able to rent a game and try it out if there's no demo available for download? Why shouldn't my friends and I be able to trade games to see if we'd like to purchase our own copies?

Gaming executives are too worried about the bottom line and many have brainwashed some of their developers into thinking that used games take so much more money out of their pockets. The reality is, the money from game sales that would ideally go back towards developers is actually miniscule compared to what those executives would get.
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See, that's ridiculous.

Let's say I buy a few games, register it to my new gen Xbox (Lol, I'm not getting one because they're cheap bundles of crap) and it breaks as they're prone to doing. Let's say this is after a year (out of warranty), what happens? Are they going to tell me I have to buy a new console AND every game I own again if I ever want to play it?

No dice, gaming Nazis, no dice.
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Wow this is the most ridiculous idea that I have ever heard of. If this is true I am going to seriously discriminate what games I purchase. As it stands I play on Playstation. I can easily see this as something Sony would pull.

I mean they are going to pull this nonsense during a bad economy? lol The nerve of rich, greedy execs...
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In all honesty, as far-fetched and ridiculous as this concept sounds, it's nothing new to gaming; PC games have had this for years in the form of DRM. The difference is that it's easier to pirate playable copies of PC games than console games.
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I guess one of the most glaring issues would be the fact that Microsofts history in the console gaming market has been atrocious. I've already lost two 360's to the dreaded RROD. Imagine having to replace your gaming library every time the console craps out. Then theres the fact they charge a monthly subscription to play online when the PS3 is free.
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One of the reasons I recently got an XBox 360 over a PS3 was because Sony already plans to make their online gaming codes for their games a one-time use only code, and since I buy a lot of my games used, I'm not willing to plunk down another $10-15 to Sony just to be allowed to access the needed online features.

I'm hoping Microsoft isn't going to make it tighter like this. My guess is they want to do what Valve does with Steam, but at least with Steam it's tied to your account, not directly to your computer.
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[quote]
[indent=1]Following initial reports from tech blogs Fudzilla and SemiAccurate, our sources have confirmed that mass production of the system's GPU will indeed begin by the end of 2012 but will not, however, be based on AMD's 7000 series Southern Islands GPU. Instead, the processor will be derived from the 6000 series, which was introduced last year. More specifically, it will be akin to the Radeon HD 6670, which offers support for DirectX11, multidisplay output, 3D and 1080p HD output. The chip currently has a market price of upwards of $79.99.[/indent]


In real terms, the Xbox 720's raw graphics processing power is expected to be six times that of the Xbox 360 and will yield 20-percent greater performance than Nintendo's forthcoming console, the Wii U [/quote]


Needs a better chip....6670 is FAIL!
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[quote name='theblackdog' timestamp='1327942559' post='979566']
One of the reasons I recently got an XBox 360 over a PS3 was because Sony already plans to make their online gaming codes for their games a one-time use only code, and since I buy a lot of my games used, I'm not willing to plunk down another $10-15 to Sony just to be allowed to access the needed online features.

I'm hoping Microsoft isn't going to make it tighter like this. My guess is they want to do what Valve does with Steam, but at least with Steam it's tied to your account, not directly to your computer.
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Multiplatform games have utilized online passes regularly as of late; it's a publisher's decision, not the manufacturers like Microsoft and Sony. Sony was just being forthright in saying that they'd likely move forward with online passes for all of their first-party, in-house games since this is a trend that the entire industry is shifting towards. This does not affect all third-party games, as it's not a mandatory requirement by Microsoft or Sony.

To be honest, online features aren't a necessity with every game I buy. As long as the online pass doesn't lock out core features of the single-player or offline experience (and thus far, the used games I've bought haven't had this problem), then I don't mind it. I'd rather do without it, but it's far better than having a copy of a game tied to a specific console.
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This sounds like a hack magnet.
[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1327743710' post='977469']
It's rumored that Microsoft is investing in technology for their next console that would make it so you can't play used copies. [b]One copy registered per machine[/b], which means no trading or borrowing games with friends. It's similar to the concept of DRM for PC games and software.The idea is, if used copies won't work with the latest and greatest console, then there'd be no market for used games over time because copies would be useless and have no value.

Other than financial reasons, I sincerely hope nothing comes of this. I share games with my nephew all the time; why should I have to buy my nephew a new game, when he can wait to play my copy when I'm done? Why shouldn't I be able to rent a game and try it out if there's no demo available for download? Why shouldn't my friends and I be able to trade games to see if we'd like to purchase our own copies?

Gaming executives are too worried about the bottom line and many have brainwashed some of their developers into thinking that used games take so much more money out of their pockets. The reality is, the money from game sales that would ideally go back towards developers is actually miniscule compared to what those executives would get.
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So when a newer version of the console comes out, you'd better not get it or be prepared to have to buy all of your games again.

I understand why they want to do this; they're losing money on used games, but that's just tough luck. Authors and actors have to deal with this too.

For me the bottom line is my bottom line. If Microsoft does this, I'll feel even better about having always chosen Sony.
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It's a double edged sword, IMO. Most developers survive game to game from their sales. If a game they release completely tanks, they're probably gonna go out of business. So, I do understand the decision (sure as hell don't like it, though). Of course, the larger developers such as EA and Microsoft don't survive game to game.

Something I've noticed lately is that games will come with a code to get exclusive content. If you get the game used, the code doesn't work a second time, so you lose that content. Happened to me with Mass Effect 2. Didn't know about the Ceberus Network until I got the game used, of course the code didn't work. I believe that's something most of us can live with. You might miss out on "extra" content, but you'll still be able to play the core game. And, the exclusive content will be a good reason to buy new, not used. Seems to me that works for "both sides".
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I guess you're out of luck if you don't get a game within a few years of it coming out. I didn't get a chance to play Ico until it was very, very old and I couldn't find anything but used copies.
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At least there's one developer on our side:

[url="http://www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-dev-blocking-used-sales-can-be-a-bad-thing-6349908"]http://www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-dev-blocking-used-sales-can-be-a-bad-thing-6349908[/url]
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This would be a terrible idea if Microsoft went through with it... if they do, they better lower the price of new games significantly!
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[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1328225179' post='983415']
I guess you're out of luck if you don't get a game within a few years of it coming out. I didn't get a chance to play Ico until it was very, very old and I couldn't find anything but used copies.
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In the case of Ico, they [i]did[/i] release the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus Collection for PS3, but it's rare when a developer is committed to an HD re-release and even rarer if it's an outright remake.

But yes, under this model, if you don't buy a copy of a low-selling but critically-acclaimed game within two years of its release, there's a good chance it'll disappear from the market entirely, save for mint copies on eBay.
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[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1328735636' post='989635']
This would be a terrible idea if Microsoft went through with it... if they do, [b]they better lower the price of new games significantly[/b]!
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Sadly, that probably won't happen. If anything, they would go up for some reason.
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[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1328759445' post='990041']
In the case of Ico, they [i]did[/i] release the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus Collection for PS3, but it's rare when a developer is committed to an HD re-release and even rarer if it's an outright remake.

But yes, under this model, if you don't buy a copy of a low-selling but critically-acclaimed game within two years of its release, there's a good chance it'll disappear from the market entirely, save for mint copies on eBay.
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Yeah, they re-released it... ten years later and on a different console. >.>
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Apparently, Sony is planning to follow a similar practice to limit the used games market. According to Kotaku, the rumored Playstation 4 (codenamed Orbis which means Circle) will force you to lock a new game to your PSN account to enable you as the owner. If someone else were to try to play that specific copy, they will be limited in what they can access on the disc and it's believed to be trial access or the game forcing you to buy an unlock.

[url="http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details"]http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details[/url]


So in order to access a specific disk, the PSN account tied to it has to be signed in to. This will be sure to shake the used game market if true.
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[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1332952024' post='1036541']
Apparently, Sony is planning to follow a similar practice to limit the used games market. According to Kotaku, the rumored Playstation 4 (codenamed Orbis which means Circle) will force you to lock a new game to your PSN account to enable you as the owner. If someone else were to try to play that specific copy, they will be limited in what they can access on the disc and it's believed to be trial access or the game forcing you to buy an unlock.

[url="http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details"]http://kotaku.com/58...are-the-details[/url]


So in order to access a specific disk, the PSN account tied to it has to be signed in to. This will be sure to shake the used game market if true.
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how do rented games work then?
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1332965161' post='1036812']

how do rented games work then?
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There wouldn't be any game rentals if this happens.
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[quote name='BmoreRav' timestamp='1332969774' post='1036929']
There wouldn't be any game rentals if this happens.
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So with Microsoft and Sony trying this, and like you said no game rentals, that means that Sony and Microsoft is going to run Blockbuster, Netflix, Gamefly or any other place that allows you to rent games out of business which means more unemployed people in a bad economy. This is a stupid idea, not only will they lose money but they will put others out of business which means more people unemployed which means unemployment goes up!
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1332983683' post='1037214']

So with Microsoft and Sony trying this, and like you said no game rentals, that means that Sony and Microsoft is going to run Blockbuster, Netflix, Gamefly or any other place that allows you to rent games out of business which means more unemployed people in a bad economy. This is a stupid idea, not only will they lose money but they will put others out of business which means more people unemployed which means unemployment goes up!
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I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they put themselves out of business if they follow through with this. I really don't like being told what to do with my own property. JK Rowling hasn't told me that I can't sell my paperbacks to my friends, Toyota hasn't tried to stop me from buying used cars, why do Microsoft and Sony think that they are the exceptions?

Hopefully we will look back on this and breathe a sigh of relief that it was just a rumor.
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Hasn't this already happened to a degree? Some games make you enter "online passes" that come with the game and, if you don't have it (say, from a used game), you have to buy a new one for like $20.
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