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[Radinho84]

D-Rey, on 27 January 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

I'm not going to overreact here. While I want Cam gone, I trust the guys that know 100x more than any of us. Plus keeping Cam is the decision of everyone not just Harbs. Obviously Steve and Ozzie wanted him back too otherwise he wouldnt be back.

the team does´t show any trust in this guy. they started to talk bad about him as the season was going. i think that really hurts our ambitions for next year...

[redrum52]

Something I don't think people got from the Ed Reed rant was it seemed more like he was calling out Cam more than Flacco. He said he didn't look like HE had control and the plays were being forced to players. I don't think that Joe can't spread the ball around because we have seen him do it when in formations that work to his advantage. I'm sick right now.

[RedFire]

Exexution failed the ravens a lot of times last season. If joe was completing 70% of his passes and we ran all the wrong plays at too many times cam would be gone. If we have great execution next yr and till do not get it done cam will be gone...cam can't catch balls and get seperation.


That adjustment to shotgun in da arizona game impressed me. Last season was his best since 2008 three headed monster running attack. I think 2009-2010 was a big problem. Last season mostly player execution inclduing offensive line was the major issue.

Edited by RedFire, 27 January 2012 - 12:02 PM.

[MiselisM]

Only positive I can take from that ( not really a positive) is that Big Ben is pissed about losing Arians, which could screw their offense for next year.

[True]

D-Rey, on 27 January 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

I'm not going to overreact here. While I want Cam gone, I trust the guys that know 100x more than any of us. Plus keeping Cam is the decision of everyone not just Harbs. Obviously Steve and Ozzie wanted him back too otherwise he wouldnt be back.

I'm not so sure.

Cam Cameron wanted more control -- they fired the OL coach (scapegoat) fired the QB coach (didn't get along), and let Al Saunders go who was the offensive consultant. Cam had full control of the offense because there were "too many cooks in the kitchen and voices in Joe's head" so he worked directly with Joe last season. John Harbaugh marked how they had a great relationship working together and the offense had a ton of success and he was proud of what they accomplished. Sounds like everythings fine..

But now they want to bring in a new QB coach? What does that really say about last year with thinning the offensive minds on the staff to now bringing in another position coach? We're going to bring you back but are taking away some responbility from you again? Sounds like to me Harbs wanted to keep Cam, and the FO said "OK he can stay, but we want another offensive mind in there because the offense has to be better"

[sflegend89]

I'm literally sick in my stomach, 19th in passing this year. There is no excuse we have Flacco, Rice, Boldin, Torrey, Evans, Dickson, Pitta, 19th in passing is insulting considering who we have. This is a joke and Harbs false sense of confidence in Cam Cameron makes me start to doubt his common sense,

How can you say we performed well on offense this year when we had key losses that altered the AFC Championship game's location like Jacksonville, Tenn, and Seattle were Cam's incompetence was the straw that broke the Camel's back and cost us W's.

This is embarrassing as a Ravens fan, We needed to do some overhauling this offseason to cut out the weakest links, we've already failed miserably. Bravo, Ravens, Bravo

Edited by sflegend89, 27 January 2012 - 12:03 PM.

[izvoodoo]

I knew cam was going to be the OC and I know this place would freak out.

[RavenoutWest]

Some people are happy with the mediocre, the just getting by, the "well we won didn't we"..I don't want to settle with just getting by, I want to keep improving, but managment rules. So here we go again..show up...then disappear, as the defense will save us..it's a team game.
I'm out for today..see you guys at preseason.

Edited by RavenoutWest, 27 January 2012 - 12:05 PM.

[Bltravens]

Really, are we surprised? Like really.

[D-Rey]

True, on 27 January 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

I'm not so sure.

Cam Cameron wanted more control -- they fired the OL coach (scapegoat) fired the QB coach (didn't get along), and let Al Saunders go who was the offensive consultant. Cam had full control of the offense because there were "too many cooks in the kitchen and voices in Joe's head" so he worked directly with Joe last season. John Harbaugh marked how they had a great relationship working together and the offense had a ton of success and he was proud of what they accomplished. Sounds like everythings fine..

But now they want to bring in a new QB coach? What does that really say about last year with thinning the offensive minds on the staff to now bringing in another position coach? We're going to bring you back but are taking away some responbility from you again? Sounds like to me Harbs wanted to keep Cam, and the FO said "OK he can stay, but we want another offensive mind in there because the offense has to be better"

While that may be true, it can sound like anything. We just don't know. It could of been harbs idea to bring in a qb coach. But the bottom line is that the FO obviously believes in Cam otherwise they wouldn't of let him come back. Everyone's gonna want to vilify Harbs for this, when the front office is every bit more responsible for him coming back.

In all honesty, I'm fine with him coming back as long as there is a qb coach.

[tctony]

POE, on 27 January 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

I know I'm a minority on this but I don't blame John for bringing Cam back. I could have seen it either way but when you look at the offense as a whole this year it was better. Joe's numbers were a little off but a lot has to do with over thrown balls, dropped passes, and some play calls with new young guys filling in for proven veterans. The thing i looked at was how Ray Rice had a career year, it was a shortened off-season with key guys like Mason, Heap, and Willis getting the boot, young guys were inserted and stepped up very well, and Flacco played better even though his numbers were a bit down. The offense still needs improvement as we all know but I see it doing just that if we make the right decisions regarding the O-line. Flame on!

theFRANCHISE, on 27 January 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

I agree.

Look, I hate the decision. It sucks. But I punched a wall, went for a quick run, and I've moved on. It's done. I'm over it.

The Ravens won a division title with Cam. Whether that was in spite of him or because of him is irrelevant. The point is, it happened. At this juncture, I really don't care because I'm still stinging a little from last Sunday and I'd rather just forget about football entirely until the draft.

These are good points but it is entirely frustrating. There are a lot of times when play calls would've looked better if the players simply executed but there are so many problems with Cameron.

Running Boldin deep every time (whats a slant?), Ray Rice up the guy, 7 step drops when our o line sucks...

Ugh. Just ugh.

[PainKiller]

Getting as far as they did without winning hurt is multiple ways.
1. Cameron gets to stay because Harbaugh is in denial.
2. Pagano was sought after because of a successful season.
3. Very low draft pick

Not looking forward to much next year. I can honestly say I wont be buying ANY Ravens merchandise in the off season. I am beyond frustrated right now. The only thought that got me through the beginning of this week was that I was certain Cameron would be gone.Harbaugh is wasting valuble time with our key players. The offense is moving horizontal..... we are going to hear the same excuses next season about execution.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

Well, we've got Cam for another year at least....didn't see if he had been extended past that. I think Steve and Ozzie considered that there were no OTA's, a dumping of offensive veterans and bunch of new pieces in place and didn't think that Cam had done so horribly that they needed to replace him. I'm sure Harbs made his case for his buddy as well, but I doubt that either Steve or Ozzie would seriously consider making that type of decision purely based on John's relationship to Cam.

The Ravens played 11 games this year including the post-season against teams with a top ten scoring defense. Six of those games were in division, so that trend may not be much different next year.

As much as I'd like to have seen a new OC, we were one catch and possibly a kick away from the Superbowl and he had nothing to do with either of the mistakes that kept us from being in Indy.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

I am not excited for our offense next year at all.

[Hardbaugh]

Man, how I wish it was April 1st!!!

Another year of lackluster performance by the offense. This guy just plain blows at his job.

I guess it's job security for Harbaugh, as long as Cam is on the staff the heat's off him.

I'm writing off next year right now, there is no way a team can win a Super Bowl with Cam at the helm.

[JO_75]

Ravens & Steelers flip flop. Last Season, the Ravens knew it was time to get younger while the Steelers kept all their older players, and now this season, the Steelers get rid of their OC but yet we keep Cam.

[Ravenglenn]

The only way change will come to the Ravens now will be if they have another melt down like in Billick's final year. As long as they just make the playoffs, the owner and all are happy as clams. Maybe some of us calling for Cam to be canned weren't aiming high enough in the organization.

[AsianRice]

sick sick sick.....Cam coming back is worse than the lost at the AFC championship cuz Cam bring no future to our offense. I am so much hating someone bringing up Cam taking us 4 playoffs and appearance to 2 AFC championship; he didn't do crap, and the defense bailed his [profanity deleted] out so many times and carried him to the playoffs. Defense generate turnovers and Cam generates field goals.....

Okay okay, the media said Cam is doing great with our offense cuz mostly media are Steelers fans and they don't want us to succeed offensively; that's why. If Cam is good as media praising him, why in the world no team want to interview him???????Pagano was 1yr of DC and he's interviewed and accepted for a HC job.

[757RavensFan]

And not one Ravens offensive player has tweeted their approval of this decision. I wonder why???

[RedFire]

Ravenglenn, on 27 January 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

The only way change will come to the Ravens now will be if they have another melt down like in Billick's final year. As long as they just make the playoffs, the owner and all are happy as clams. Maybe some of us calling for Cam to be canned weren't aiming high enough in the organization.

One bad season ain't define billick...it was that boller experiment that failed him. Dude was tripping over his own feet...no poise. At least cam can get it right...john needs to get cam to be on point more often. Cam designs good plays...but calling them Is not on point....I think john will ask for plays more often and pull rank next season.