Our Wrs

[bce086]

Does anyone else feel that we should start getting Marcus Smith, Figurs, and Demetrius Williams involved a lot more in our games?

I know Mason is a beast, and should be on the field at all times... but what about rotating in 1 of these 3 receivers to get some game experience.
The Ravens are in a rebuilding phase... whether we like it or not. Why not get our YOUNG receivers out there with our YOUNG QB so they can grow together and get some chemistry.

Not to mention... Smith and Wiliams have the size and ability to be big playmakers... and we all know how FAST Figurs is (he just needs to learn to catch and run routes better).

One of these guys may surprise us and step up big time and prove he deserves to be in Clayton's spot. Our receivers just aren't getting the seperation Flacco needs.

[bce086]

no one really? wow

[Bullrush]

Mason is our best receiver, i think he still needs to get around 5-10 catches per game. Demetrius needs to be our starter, he's the only guy that can stretch the field. Clayton averages like 1 catch for 3 yards per game or something like that and that won't cut it. As for the other guys i think it's hard to get them the ball because they don't run good routes, they don't have great hands yet. Not sure why Figurs is playing less receiver than he did last season.

The reason why our guys keep getting hit as soon as they catch the ball is because defenses don't respect our passing game. They're stacked up in the box, cornerbacks play tight man coverage, the safeties are around the line of scrimmage. We need to open up the playbook, throw some deep balls to Williams or Figurs, use some trick plays (Flea Flicker), end arounds, line up with 5 receivers and all that stuff.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='76109' date='Oct 14 2008, 10:14 AM']Mason is our best receiver, i think he still needs to get around 5-10 catches per game. Demetrius needs to be our starter, he's the only guy that can stretch the field. Clayton averages like 1 catch for 3 yards per game or something like that and that won't cut it. As for the other guys i think it's hard to get them the ball because they don't run good routes, they don't have great hands yet. Not sure why Figurs is playing less receiver than he did last season.

The reason why our guys keep getting hit as soon as they catch the ball is because defenses don't respect our passing game. They're stacked up in the box, cornerbacks play tight man coverage, the safeties are around the line of scrimmage. We need to open up the playbook, throw some deep balls to Williams or Figurs, use some trick plays (Flea Flicker), end arounds, line up with 5 receivers and all that stuff.[/quote]

Agreed and don't just line up with 3 and 4 wide on third down... how about coming out on first and second down with 4 WR, now wouldn't that be a novel idea?

[JonM229]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='76115' date='Oct 14 2008, 10:43 AM']Agreed and don't just line up with 3 and 4 wide on third down... how about coming out on first and second down with 4 WR, now wouldn't that be a novel idea?[/quote]
You mean you don't enjoy our run, run, pass, punt style of play on offense?

[bce086]

Agree 100% with all of these opinions...

And even if we did line up 3 WRs on 1st down it doesn't mean it has to be a pass play. All the defenses know what our strategy is and like you said they dont respect our pass game.

Clayton was awesome in college and did well his first year or two... but he hasn't had a touchdown since 2006. Im sorry but for a professional who starts every game, thats horrendous.

We need to get Williams and Figurs in more, and might as well throw Marcus Smith in there to see how big WR needs really are for this next draft.

I also read on ESPN or NFL today that Roy Williams is not on the trade block, and wont be. He doesn't want to be traded and will remain on the Lions, as they want him there.....

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='bce086' post='76136' date='Oct 14 2008, 12:41 PM']Agree 100% with all of these opinions...

And even if we did line up 3 WRs on 1st down it doesn't mean it has to be a pass play. All the defenses know what our strategy is and like you said they dont respect our pass game.

Clayton was awesome in college and did well his first year or two... but he hasn't had a touchdown since 2006. Im sorry but for a professional who starts every game, thats horrendous.

We need to get Williams and Figurs in more, and might as well throw Marcus Smith in there to see how big WR needs really are for this next draft.

I also read on ESPN or NFL today that Roy Williams is not on the trade block, and wont be. He doesn't want to be traded and will remain on the Lions, as they want him there.....[/quote]

Yeah, it sucks the Lions aren't trading him. I don't get it, they are 0-5 and going absolutely nowhere, that is the classic example of a "seller" at a trade deadline. I guess the new GM doesn't want to build this team through the draft either?

[Ozzsome]

i would agree that we play 3 recievers cause they are not bad and we also can run the ball with a 3 reciever system, maybe cam don

[neepo13]

The problem with all that is that then you have to take out a blocker. Our offensive line is still young and they need the two tightend reinforcment. Going 5 wr, if our recievers dont get seperation right away, Flacco is going down. The last thing we need is another shell shocked QB.

[bce086]

Roy Williams was traded to the Cowboys... So much for not being on the block. what the heck?

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='bce086' post='76247' date='Oct 14 2008, 03:03 PM']Roy Williams was traded to the Cowboys... So much for not being on the block. what the heck?[/quote]

He was on the block, it was just a classic plot of saying they wouldn't trade him to drive the price on him higher. The Cowboys gave up a 1st, 3rd, and a 6th to get R. Williams and a 7th. Now I would have been happy to have Williams on our team, he's young and talented, but the Lions plained raped the Cowboys on this trade and for that price I don't think we should have gotten him.

Though on a funny side note we would have been a better option for the Lions than the Cowboys to trade with, because more than likely we'll be picking earlier in the draft this year (though I hope not) than the Cowboys lol

[POE]

If we had 2 first rounders and some cap room that would have been a no brainer to go out and get Roy but we didn't and I feel that we will find our guy in the draft at a cheaper price and he will be able to grow with Flacco as we mold this offense to be top notch.

As far as our current WR's go, I think Clayton is so much like Mason and is really overshadowed by him right now and won't really come to his own until Mason leaves, however somebody in another thread said to move him in the slot and he would be more effective and I would have to agree with and would like to see that happen. The rookies seem to still have a ways to go before they see time on the field. Williams had a good outing this past Sunday and put up some good numbers. I think the chemistry with our starters and Flacco has just needed to grow and it looks better as we have gotten further into the season. It should come together before long and then it will be up to Flacco to get them the ball.

[Baltboy]

Looks like we signed Ernie Wheelright from the practice squad.
I like his size (6'5")
Be nice if he works out.

[Ravenoid]

[quote name='CARavensFan' post='76286' date='Oct 14 2008, 06:40 PM']He was on the block, it was just a classic plot of saying they wouldn't trade him to drive the price on him higher. The Cowboys gave up a 1st, 3rd, and a 6th to get R. Williams and a 7th. Now I would have been happy to have Williams on our team, he's young and talented, but the Lions plained raped the Cowboys on this trade and for that price I don't think we should have gotten him.

Though on a funny side note we would have been a better option for the Lions than the Cowboys to trade with, because more than likely we'll be picking earlier in the draft this year (though I hope not) than the Cowboys lol[/quote]
It is sooooo difficult to find a top quality receiver in the draft. Williams is a sure thing compared to unrealized potential in a draft choice. I think it would have been well worth it for us. Jerry Jones knows it. He's giving Detroit a late first and third. Williams may help the Cowboys enough to make it the last pick in both rounds. I think Jone hit the jackpot on this deal.

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='Ravenoid' post='76385' date='Oct 14 2008, 08:50 PM']It is sooooo difficult to find a top quality receiver in the draft. Williams is a sure thing compared to unrealized potential in a draft choice. I think it would have been well worth it for us. Jerry Jones knows it. He's giving Detroit a late first and third. Williams may help the Cowboys enough to make it the last pick in both rounds. I think Jone hit the jackpot on this deal.[/quote]

That was kind of my point, though I didn't say it very well, I think if we'd made an offer even in the general ballpark of the Cowboys offer I think the Lions would have considered it, but there is no reason to fret about it now he's locked up until 2013 with the Cowboys and Jerry Jones got what Jerry Jones wanted.

Here's to hoping either one of the young guys we have at the WR position steps up this season or that we draft a stud WR in '09!

[WhackoForFlacco]

1. I'm not sold at all on Figurs as a WR, except maybe as a decoy.

2. I want to see Wheelwright used now that he's off the PS and on the 53 man roster.

3. With Willie Anderson at RT, I'm not sure how well the line is going to hold to provide the necessary pass pro for 3/4 WR/empty backfield sets.

[noy]

er, isn't a deep threat what we need? And don't most to all deep threat have ridiculous speed? Yamon Figurs anyone? You don't have to run amazing routes to beat a cb deep, all that's needed is a little misdirection. Mason has always ran good routes because that's what he does, he isn't our deep man. I mean, the end of last season Yamon beat TWO secondaries when T. Smith threw his first ever pass. If the pass had been more accurate, it would have been a TD.

Give him more of a shot at WR, because returns are not going so well this year anyway.

[Baltboy]

[quote name='WhackoForFlacco' post='76415' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:33 AM']2. I want to see Wheelwright used now that he's off the PS and on the 53 man roster.[/quote]
Could happen sooner than later,
Supposedly Demetrius Williams underwent an MRI on Monday for a lower leg injury.

[Corvus]

[quote name='WhackoForFlacco' post='76415' date='Oct 15 2008, 09:33 AM']3. With Willie Anderson at RT, I'm not sure how well the line is going to hold to provide the necessary pass pro for 3/4 WR/empty backfield sets.[/quote]

And Adam Terry is that much better at RT? I'd much rather have Anderson in there.

[#1 D]

[quote name='Corvus' post='76452' date='Oct 15 2008, 12:51 PM']And Adam Terry is that much better at RT? I'd much rather have Anderson in there.[/quote]

Well, Anderson showed otherwise vs the Colts. Hopefully it was him just getting his feet wet.

[neepo13]

[quote name='#1 D' post='76468' date='Oct 15 2008, 03:08 PM']Well, Anderson showed otherwise vs the Colts. Hopefully it was him just getting his feet wet.[/quote]

I have to agree. Our running game, which had been strong no matter who we were up against struggled against the 31st ranked run defense in the league. I have to believe that Terry not being in there had A LOT to do with that.

[CARavensFan]

Well besides the fact that the Colts really focused on our run game to force Flacco to beat us in that game, we always were done early and were trying to play catch-up so we seemed to lead away from the run game (whether that made sense or not) and used Rice and McGahee in the packages because they generally are better receivers coming out of the backfield (despite McClain having shown some promise in that area to), and I think that was simply because Rice and McGahee are just faster type backs that can turn a dump off pass into something bigger. Unfortunately that didn't work so well so I would bet we use McClain more in this game.

[Corvus]

[quote name='#1 D' post='76468' date='Oct 15 2008, 03:08 PM']Well, Anderson showed otherwise vs the Colts. Hopefully it was him just getting his feet wet.[/quote]

Very true, but our whole team stunk up that one, not just him. Hopefully it was him just getting used to playing an entire game again.

[FerrariFan87]

Demetrius Williams didn't practice today with what is described on the Injury Report as being an ankle injury... why am I not surprised...

[SickBoy]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='76505' date='Oct 15 2008, 07:09 PM']Demetrius Williams didn't practice today with what is described on the Injury Report as being an ankle injury... why am I not surprised... [/quote]

[size=3]I have to agree, my man is very injury prone. He is a dangerous weapon though, I just want to see him and Clayton get some good things done soon. I believe in both of them but they have to show it more often than not!!! Mason doesn't do anything but catch footballs, you have to love that.[/size]

[WhackoForFlacco]

[quote name='Corvus' post='76452' date='Oct 15 2008, 12:51 PM']And Adam Terry is that much better at RT? I'd much rather have Anderson in there.[/quote]Did you watch the Colts game, and Anderson's play in that game? If you did, and you still think Anderson is better than Terry, we'll agree to disagree. Anderson is going to get Flacco killed unless he ups his game in a major way.

[WhackoForFlacco]

[quote name='Baltboy' post='76449' date='Oct 15 2008, 12:40 PM']Could happen sooner than later,
Supposedly Demetrius Williams underwent an MRI on Monday for a lower leg injury.[/quote]I hate to see any player get injured, but that's life in the NFL. Next man up...and if that man is Wheelwright, and he can show he's got what it takes to play in the NFL, more power to him.

I also wonder how long it'll take to see Marcus Mason. He was tearing it up in the pre-season. And given our other offensive woes, I think we can use all the RB help we can get.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

I'm 100% confident Williams will play. I do believe his played through this before 2 seasons ago in 2006.

[neepo13]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='76505' date='Oct 15 2008, 07:09 PM']Demetrius Williams didn't practice today with what is described on the Injury Report as being an ankle injury... why am I not surprised... [/quote]

Well, it doesnt matter half our starting lineup is on the injury report. Atleast, its not our number 1 guy.

[RavensIQ]

Is it me or did it look like (against the colts) D.Williams is starting to come around? At least in glimpses, anyway.

I seriously hope we see a lot more of him against the Dolphins preferably in the #2 spot. Let Clayton play slot and bring Marcus Smith in for 4wr formations and on 3rd downs or at least rotate him in every once and awhile each game and let him run block. The guy's a rock, if he's not gonna catch the ball at least let him throw his body around.