Oher Position Change To LG?

[ellicottraven]

This is just a thought... what if Oher moved to LG to replace Grubbs? He played LT adequately and was sometimes beaten around the edges by speedy pass rushers, but at guard he will have no such requirement. He was strong at run support and is strong enough to hold off tackles from penetration.

Also, now that we have Jah Reid who was drafted to be RT and maybe ready given TC and OTAs', do you think it may be a good move? I do feel badly for Oher if he was moved again to LG, but the bottom line is he is a team player and would accept his new role without whining about it...

[Sizzlebshu]

Smh, no offense to the op, but I'm kinda tired of seeing these threads about Oher. Let's see how he pans out at RT this season with training camp and ota's. He lost a step after switching back from LT, and didnt have time to have the basics drilled back into him. Let him have a season at RT to get everything back down.

[cobrajet]

His false starts drive me crazy. I thought he still had too many this year.

[Gtown Purple]

Personally, I'm ready to move from him. I think Jah Reid is primed to make a big statement this year. He played well in his limited time and has earned a larger role. Oher struggles with penalties and consistency.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1327674899' post='975573']
His false starts drive me crazy. I thought he still had too many this year.
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Yes this drives me a little nuts as well, but he is still young and the position switching may have had something to do with that. Any idea how many penalties he had his rookie year before we started the LT experiment. If it wasn't many, then it makes sense that the switch to LT started the false starts, and when he switched back they carried over because he was still use to overreacting in order to beat rushers at LT

[Ravens Fan in Ontario]

Sure and while we're at it, lets move Ray Rice to QB. After all he did throw a TD pass in 2011.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1327674899' post='975573']
His false starts drive me crazy. I thought he still had too many this year.
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I thought he improved on them quite a lot as the year went on. IIRC, he went 5 or so games without one.

[Sizzlebshu]

Found a stat line for oher

[url="http://nationalpost.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=9287&team=33"]http://nationalpost....id=9287&team=33[/url]

The interesting thing is that his false starts have went down as well as his sacks allowed. The thing that really killed him this year is the holding penalties, which Im sure can be fixed with OTA's and training camp. Other than that tho, by the numbers, it appears he has shown marked improvement since switching back to RT and even some improvement on his rookie year stats where he was phenomenal.

Im glad you brought this up because it forced me to look up the stat in order to defend oher which allowed us to see that it was actually his holding that was the prob not his false starts. Since training camp will help that a lot, it should end the debate of getting rid of oher and whether or not he is a worthy RT.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravens Fan in Ontario' timestamp='1327676006' post='975592']
Sure and while we're at it, lets move Ray Rice to QB. After all he did throw a TD pass in 2011.
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After one throw, too!

Not sure it's a good idea to move him to guard. I'd rather keep Grubbs since we know what we have with him. If Oher isn't out LT or our RT of the future, I'd rather trade him to another team for a draft pick. It's not that I dislike Oher nor is this an immature response to his penalties; rather, it's because of Jah Reid. If we drafted Jah Reid to be our RT and he is superior to Oher, then I see no reason to have him since I don't believe in him as a LT.

Oher's future here depends on Jah Reid's development. Who knows, though. Maybe this is Ozzie's plan last year when we drafted Reid; we replace Grubbs with Oher. Crazier things have happened, like Pagano becoming HC after 1 year of being a DC. That's something else I didn't expect yet it happened.

[Suggs Package]

I know he gets lots o penalties, but we also rush for almost 5 yards a carry behind him. He's not a bad RT at all. But it all depends on Jah Reid's development. I do think Oher could be a great LG, but it depends on our needs.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1327674657' post='975566']
Smh, no offense to the op, but I'm kinda tired of seeing these threads about Oher. Let's see how he pans out at RT this season with training camp and ota's. He lost a step after switching back from LT, and didnt have time to have the basics drilled back into him. Let him have a season at RT to get everything back down.
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Hahaha this is purely laughable. He's already had two years WITH camp and OTAs. And what, the basics that he's known since playing tackle in high school? The basics aren't really different at all between LT and RT. Same technique, same everything. People assume that just because LTs are the better pass blocker and RTs are the better run blockers that they are COMPLETELY different positions. Yes, LT's do tend to, and need to be better pass blockers. But the technique and fundamentals are the same.

So, he needs [b]another[/b] season at RT to get the basics down? He's an NFL player, he should know the basics by now.

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1327675826' post='975591']
Yes this drives me a little nuts as well, but he is still young and the position switching may have had something to do with that. Any idea how many penalties he had his rookie year before we started the LT experiment. If it wasn't many, then it makes sense that the switch to LT started the false starts, and when he switched back they carried over because he was still use to overreacting in order to beat rushers at LT
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Are you seriously suggesting that the false starts are a result of his position being changed? Seriously?

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1327723593' post='977295']

Hahaha this is purely laughable. He's already had two years WITH camp and OTAs. And what, the basics that he's known since playing tackle in high school? The basics aren't really different at all between LT and RT. Same technique, same everything. People assume that just because LTs are the better pass blocker and RTs are the better run blockers that they are COMPLETELY different positions. Yes, LT's do tend to, and need to be better pass blockers. But the technique and fundamentals are the same.

So, he needs [b]another[/b] season at RT to get the basics down? He's an NFL player, he should know the basics by now.



Are you seriously suggesting that the false starts are a result of his position being changed? Seriously?
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Good points. I think his improvement with false starts comes from the added experience and increased maturity from last year. He's growing as a player, and we need to hold onto him. He's a good football player, despite how frustrating his penalties can be. Oher is an asset, not a liability.

On topic, i think he's fine at RT. Reid is good, but he looked really raw in the pre-season last year. Obviously, keep an open competition for the starting position, but my feeling is that Reid is not going to be ready to take over.

[big hits and ball hawks]

Maybe at guard he'll be able to hear the count better?

I'm kidding, and I think he'll be fine next year. What's his contract like? We might as well keep him until that runs out, and by then we'll know if he's earned the right to remain a Raven. He has been improving. With that being said, I'm hoping we'll be able to keep Grubbs and still find some Oline depth in the draft.

[BloodRaven]

Oher gave up 6 sacks and 4 false starts (down from 8) which is around middle of the table for tackles. What the stats don't show are the large amount of pressures he gives up, they seem to take on a pattern like he gets rattled.

[ravensfan520]

[quote name='RayRiceRunningfortheRavns' timestamp='1327724224' post='977308']


Good points. I think his improvement with false starts comes from the added experience and increased maturity from last year. He's growing as a player, and we need to hold onto him. He's a good football player, despite how frustrating his penalties can be. Oher is an asset, not a liability.

On topic, i think he's fine at RT. Reid is good, but he looked really raw in the pre-season last year. Obviously, keep an open competition for the starting position, but my feeling is that Reid is not going to be ready to take over.
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I may new wrong but I thought that it was Reid or Hardwood who the lineman to be groomed for the switch to guard not Oher.

[flynismo]

I'm all for moving him to LG if we lose Grubbs. If he gets moved to the middle of the line, he has help on either side of him, so defenders can no longer expose his utter lack of football knowledge.

Then after he fails there too, we can hear about how he only failed because he switched positions again...

[flynismo]

BTW, The Blindside wasn't even that good of a movie. smh!

[flynismo]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1327676171' post='975597']
Found a stat line for oher

[url="http://nationalpost.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=9287&team=33"]http://nationalpost....id=9287&team=33[/url]

The interesting thing is that his false starts have went down as well as his sacks allowed. The thing that really killed him this year is the holding penalties, which Im sure can be fixed with OTA's and training camp. Other than that tho, by the numbers, it appears he has shown marked improvement since switching back to RT and even some improvement on his rookie year stats where he was phenomenal.

Im glad you brought this up because it forced me to look up the stat in order to defend oher which allowed us to see that it was actually his holding that was the prob not his false starts. Since training camp will help that a lot, it should end the debate of getting rid of oher and whether or not he is a worthy RT.
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That site you listed is an inaccurate P.O.S. Oher has given up more sacks than listed there, I dunno where they got this info from (I think they just made it up, tbh)

Want proof of that?
How many sacks did Oher give up last week vs NE?

Now look and see how many sacks this site says he gave up. Hmm...

[stan]

Oher is a bust at tackle. I agree. Try him at left guard. Top guards like Yanda can make up to 30 million. Not bad for a player to play in a phone booth.

[bMore Heathen]

One aspect of this conversation that is forgotten is the contract Grubbs is going to want. Does the team want to pay that much money to the interior of the line (see Yanda's contract), when the tackles are the ones that are struggling.
It actually makes sense to put Oher at G if we don't want to pay Grubbs. I remember what everyone said when we moved Jason Brown to center after a great year at G. You want your best players on the field, so it's defiantly worth looking at in training camp. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but we won't be able to keep everyone if we resign Grubbs.

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