Who Will Be Leaving With Pags?

[big hits and ball hawks]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1327531062' post='973436']
Maybe he trades us a 3rd round pick for Carr & a 2nd for Foxworth lol.
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He should, I mean we did get him a HC job after all.

Seriously though, I could see JJ, Redding, or McKinney as possible players to leave if they aren't able to come back. Zibby or Nakamura as well, I'd prefer if they stayed.

[bauer77]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1327535087' post='973657']
Their cap has got to be ****ed, with that monster deal Manning has. They have to have some real issues with their cap.
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Yeah i think i heard something the other day, that if they take Luck with the #1 (which they probably will) and if they keep Manning, thats about $50 million locked up right there.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1327534883' post='973642']


I know what you mean. But still, if Indy offered JJ, Redding or McClain more money/years, you dont think they would take it? Idk how their salary cap situation is, but our first and second priority is Rice and Grubbs.
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How much do you think a team with money issues is going to pay for an aging defensive player? That team is looking towards the future, not trying to stock up on old talent.

[Jamal]

Cam hopefully.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

If Pags were a man he wouldnt be leaving right now. Our defense can give him offers next year. Alot of veterans in our locker room are counting on this guy and he does this crap. OK Pags we will take this and make your team Pay next year. BELIEVE IT!!! Lost all respect for that man.

[Ravenslifer]

http://www.coltsauthority.com/2012-archives/january/the-colts-cannot-trade-peyton-manning.html

If anyone is interested this article sort of explains the Colts' salary cap issues and why it's almost impossible for the Colts to trade Manning. Don't know how accurate it is but it seems right to me.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1327539122' post='973848']
If Pags were a man he wouldnt be leaving right now. Our defense can give him offers next year. Alot of veterans in our locker room are counting on this guy and he does this crap. OK Pags we will take this and make your team Pay next year. BELIEVE IT!!! Lost all respect for that man.
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I'm not at all annoyed.

Isn't it Clarence Brooks' turn to get promoted? We tend to promote from within then replace the position coach. Brooks makes the most sense but Teryl Austin could be in with a shot, too.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

Who pushed negative and tell me why so I can respond.

[ravensfan520]

I know we all love our players but I believe if I was building a 3 4 defense or if they stay in the 43 I would try and get Mario Williams instead of ours (I think he is a free agent) but they have alot of holes and if they are going to take Luck as the number 1 and let Manning walk they need to revamp their offense or he could turn into a David Carr... a lot of talent but got so shell shocked he never turned into the talent they expected... but I honestly think the players that we have as free agents want to come back to Baltimore... I am sure even Bart Scott deep down wishes he could have stayed... just like Thomas did after he was finished in New England.

[Kwothdaraven]

There isn't really anyone id be upset with leaving. JJ could go and I wouldent losr any sleep

[ravensfan520]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1327539495' post='973861']


I'm not at all annoyed.

Isn't it Clarence Brooks' turn to get promoted? We tend to promote from within then replace the position coach. Brooks makes the most sense but Teryl Austin could be in with a shot, too.
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What about Peeves or whatever his name is... wasn't he the coordinator in New England when they had a great defense.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1327539495' post='973861']

I'm not at all annoyed.

Isn't it Clarence Brooks' turn to get promoted? We tend to promote from within then replace the position coach. Brooks makes the most sense but Teryl Austin could be in with a shot, too.
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Our D loved Pags and his style. What if we end up with another Mattison? Who do we lose next year and the year after that? Our defense loved Pags and he let them down with a horrible team to headcoach. Id rather be a champion assistant then a loser HC

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1327539756' post='973874']
What about Peeves or whatever his name is... wasn't he the coordinator in New England when they had a great defense.
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Yeah, he could be.

Any positional coach has a shot, pretty much.

[jaege]

[quote name='gametyme' timestamp='1327532372' post='973496']
Cary Williams, Grubbs, Redding, Nakamura, Mclain, JJ and Zibby are all very likely to go there. He can take Carr and Foxworth if he wants too. Webb is restricted so he will be staying. This could be a Rex/Jets thing all over again. Ravens will be alright though.
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Why would all of them go? I do not even think that Indy could afford all of them considering the huge payout they will owe Manning. Even if they cut him, there will be a load of dead money involved.

[jaege]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1327539855' post='973877']
Our D loved Pags and his style. What if we end up with another Mattison? Who do we lose next year and the year after that? Our defense loved Pags and he let them down with a horrible team to headcoach. Id rather be a champion assistant then a loser HC
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Really. Bad career move IMHO. He was only a DC for a year. How much can he know about HC? And with the dregs of that team. It will be years before they get anywhere. Good luck. He is going to need it.

[cobrajet]

This is so freaking depressing. It is too soon after last Sunday.

[Free Agent]

I understand that our guys wont leave for the Colts [i]for[/i] Pagano, but if Pagano puts offers on the table that are [i]better [/i]than our offers, then I could see us losing some players. Especially guys like JJ and Cory Redding who could lose their starting jobs anyway if they choose to return.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='gametyme' timestamp='1327532372' post='973496']
Cary Williams, Grubbs, Redding, Nakamura, Mclain, JJ and Zibby are all very likely to go there. He can take Carr and Foxworth if he wants too. Webb is restricted so he will be staying. This could be a Rex/Jets thing all over again. Ravens will be alright though.
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I think Williams is restricted as well. Thought I read that anyway.

[Moderator 2]

Don't forget INDY has a lot of salary cap in Manning, he's not going be able to afford to take a lot.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1327539756' post='973874']
What about Peeves or whatever his name is... wasn't he the coordinator in New England when they had a great defense.
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Actually, Pees was brought in for this very reason. After spending a year under Pags, he is ready to take over the DC position. I like how the Ravens promote from within. One outsider that I would consider would be Mike Singletary. He could fire up the defense. Pags leaving doesn't seem to be perceived as negative. The defense was much better under him then it was with Mattson. I like the idea of firing Cameron.

[Purple Nurple]

Well, he certainly took a job where the only direction to go is up. Thanks, Coach!

[Ravens4Real]

You guys saying these guys are restricted so they wont go anywhere are being very optimistic. There is no two round tenders this year. These teams that are CB needy and are at the end of the rounds (Patriots, Bengals, Broncos, Saints, Giants) and there are more. Some of them will be willing to throw away late first round for a proven CB like Webb that is young. These teams are just going to drive up the price for him making the Ravens spend more. It will be the same with Cary and our other RFA.

[Moderator 2]

Also 25 % of the league are free agents this year, not everyone is going to get paid

[admartian]

Yeah, this off-season is not starting well for us. Hopefully things change for the better...

I'd be content with guys like JJ, Zibby, Nakamura, McClain to go. Hopefully not Cary or Webb (unless they want to give us their Luck[i]y[/i] pick (see what I did there? ).

[raybaby]

I don't know why people are okay with JJ leaving. He is very underrated & he should retire as a Raven. Period.

[bauer77]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1327544163' post='974000']
I don't know why people are okay with JJ leaving. He is very underrated & he should retire as a Raven. Period.
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Well, i thought Heap, Mason, and even Gregg should've retired Ravens too, but that didn't happen. Its a business. We have someone that could replace JJ in Kruger and could probably do just as much if not do better. We can save the money to bring back Rice, Grubbs, or lock up Flacco or Webb long term. I agree though, i do wish he could retire a Raven.

[gametyme]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1327542823' post='973958']

I think Williams is restricted as well. Thought I read that anyway.
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I think Williams is restricted, your right. I am just guessing based on the fact Pagano likes Williams, and Williams likewise likes Pagano, i dont know what king of tender the Ravens would put on him, or how much they will be willing to pay him, with Webb being restricted and having Smith. Its all speculation on my part.

[gametyme]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1327540409' post='973908']


Why would all of them go? I do not even think that Indy could afford all of them considering the huge payout they will owe Manning. Even if they cut him, there will be a load of dead money involved.
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I dont really think all of them will go, although that is how my post came off, i would have been better off saying that if the Ravens dont resign these guys they would probally like to end up with Pagano.

[GrimCoconut]

I believe we will be keeping most of our players save a few. Zbikowski, McKinney are the two that I think could be gone. I like how a few of them are taking it as a foregone conclusion that Webb will follow Pagano to the Colts when he's a restricted free agent.

[ravens__]

To me, things are pretty simple. If the Ravens actively pursue JJ and Redding, they'll return unless they receive a ridiculous offer. Both of them have made it known that they LOVE Baltimore and let's not forget that neither has a ring to show for. When you're at the final stages of your career, you want to finish strong. I don't see us losing any of these guys and even more so to the worst team in the league. Of course, this is provided we don't take the Heap/Mason route.