Candidates For Defensive Coordinator

[admartian]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1327541104' post='973920']
How many people left with Rex? I dont want to see this again. I hate giving people a chance and they leave ASAP!!!!!!!
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This. We should have a section in OC or DC contracts that if their unit is ranked within the Top 10, they can't leave. The only opt-out clause should be that if we won a Superbowl 2years prior their departure, within their tenure.

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[Free Agent]

If we want a shot at Jack Del Rio, we better get a move on, because he is rumored to be a front runner for the Broncos defensive coordinator vacancy.

[Purple Nurple]

[b] Ravens Defense: Dean Pees expected to replace Pagano[/b]


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Via Aaron Wilson on Twitter I believe......

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1327541104' post='973920']
How many people left with Rex? I dont want to see this again. I hate giving people a chance and they leave ASAP!!!!!!!
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Really the only two I can think of were Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard. Neither really did anything in New York.

[pgk]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1327543164' post='973966']
Does anyone know the history of the Patriots Defense and any Defense Dean Peas and where his defenses have ranked?
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Here is New Englands defensive stats before, and during Pees' time there as DC:

Year / Pts Allowed / Rank / Coach
2005 / 21.1 / 17th / Mangini
2006 / 14.8 / 2nd / Pees (Set their franchise record)
2007 / 17.1 / 4th / Pees
2008 / 19.3 / 8th / Pees (Had to use over 20 starters on defense due to injuries and still finished in top 10)
2009 / 17.8 / 5th / Pees

In the 2 years since he has left (and Belichick has taken over) their defense has ranked 25th and 31st in total defense. Pees did a LOT with mediocre talent. If the twitter speculation is true, I'm excited to see what he can do with the talent that we have here!

[AsianRice]

I think right now DC of Ravens slot is very attractive cuz who doesn't want to coach 2 HOF players and numbers of probowlers?

I want Jack Del Rio like most others...

PS: When are we going to have an official candidate for OC thread????

[display name]

Wonder how good Ray Lewis is at multitasking. More realistically, Clarence Brooks has done OK, right? Bringing back Del Rio is also possible. Than again, could be anyone on our coaching staff. Don't know of any good college defensive coodinators.

[The Raven]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1327545821' post='974054']
Wonder how good Ray Lewis is at multitasking. More realistically, Clarence Brooks has done OK, right? Bringing back Del Rio is also possible.
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He wouldn't have to multitask! He'd be on the sideline anyway, remember?

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[Maryland1]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1327545719' post='974051']
I think right now DC of Ravens slot is very attractive cuz who doesn't want to coach 2 HOF players and numbers of probowlers?

I want Jack Del Rio like most others...

PS: When are we going to have an official candidate for OC thread????
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[T3hRaven]

My hate for the Colts was finally starting to die down, but man if Irsay doesn't do something to reignite the fire. Pagano is just another thing that soulless organization has stolen from this city.

The team has done a good job with promoting defensive coordinators from in house since Marvin Lewis was here, with the exception of Mattison. Dean Pees makes the most sense. The Pats defense was pretty good under him, and I really have no idea why he's working as the LB coach right now. As long as he doesn't rush three almost every down we should be ok. The Ravens defense is so loaded it's a pretty hard job to screw up, and I don't know how Mattison did it.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Moderator 5' timestamp='1327546007' post='974065']


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I meant official like Cam officially gone and we need a replacement.....

[PSG_Mud]

Pagano gave what the Ravens need the most at the time. Good secondary play. If we hire anyone, it will have to be someone to keep that status quo of good secondary play. We have Ray Lewis and our line, whom basically is like a Peyton and doesn't need coaching as much as the secondary does.

Cary Williams and Webbs outstanding play is testiment to the fact that we needed a good secondary coach/coordinator. And, it paided off big time for the Ravens. Which is why Dean Pees should be the guy, because A, he has extensive experience working with secondaries, B, hire from within is always a good thing.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1327544264' post='974002']
[b] Ravens Defense: Dean Pees expected to replace Pagano[/b]


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Via Aaron Wilson on Twitter I believe......
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Hold on... before we promote him, find out one thing, does he inspire to become a Head Coach or is he ok with being Defensive Coordinator? If he wants to be a Head Coach, I don't want him because I don't want to be looking for another Defensive Coordinator 2-3 years from now. I want a long term Defensive Coordinator just like The Steelers have.

[bravensfan52]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1327544264' post='974002']
[b] Ravens Defense: Dean Pees expected to replace Pagano[/b]


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Via Aaron Wilson on Twitter I believe......
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Oh Yay Back to Vanilla D Just like with Mattison

[DMH_in_WA]

I didn't know this:

"Pees has known John Harbaugh for three decades. In 1983, he coached the Ravens head coach at Miami University (Ohio)."

You guys know how Harbaugh is and what happens when he feels he owes someone something or has loyalty to them. This pushes Pees way up in my mind as who they will likely pick.

[PSG_Mud]

[quote name='bravensfan52' timestamp='1327546758' post='974099']
Oh Yay Back to Vanilla D Just like with Mattison
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We need a guy who understands secondary play and pees does, but, hasn't shown it in the NFL. Its also important to note that Pees really only coached old players, and veteran defenses in the NFL. I mean anyone can look amazing coaching behind Ray and co, or Brushci and co.

When deciding for a coach I think its extremely important to coach players into being pro rather than coaching the pros.

[LouieDaLug]

whoever the coach is...just please stay aggressive....none of that Mattison crap

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327544429' post='974006']

Really the only two I can think of were Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard. Neither really did anything in New York.
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What were they doing here before they left? And were you happy to see them go? Because I for 1 wasnt at that point.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1327547873' post='974129']
What were they doing here before they left? And were you happy to see them go? Because I for 1 wasnt at that point.
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I was upset that Scott left at first, because he was very good when he was here. Didn't care either way about Leonhard. But Scott proved he wasn't worth the money it would have taken to keep him. I think playing next to Ray helped him more than even Rex realized. He did have more sacks than he ever had in his career this year, but his tackling numbers have declined every year in the last three, and he's making a ridiculous amount of money for so little production - he'll make almost 7 million in 2013 and 8 million in 2014 - that's close to Patrick Willis money. Leonhard's contract is up this year, and they may not resign him. The fact is we really didn't need them. Jameel McClain is doing just fine now. The problem the last two years was that Greg Mattison's scheme wasn't a good fit for this team, but Pags really did a great job this year. If we draft Burflict, then it's a moot point, since he's much more talented than Scott ever was, and Bernard Pollard and Jim Leonhard shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. We've upgraded their spots.

[flynismo]

I hope the rumor is true about Pees. I'll put money on him being an upgrade over Pagano, and I liked Pagano a lot

[JO_75]

[quote name='bravensfan52' timestamp='1327546758' post='974099']
Oh Yay Back to Vanilla D Just like with Mattison
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[quote name='pgk' timestamp='1327545240' post='974030']

Here is New Englands defensive stats before, and during Pees' time there as DC:

Year / Pts Allowed / Rank / Coach
2005 / 21.1 / 17th / Mangini
2006 / 14.8 / 2nd / Pees (Set their franchise record)
2007 / 17.1 / 4th / Pees
2008 / 19.3 / 8th / Pees (Had to use over 20 starters on defense due to injuries and still finished in top 10)
2009 / 17.8 / 5th / Pees

In the 2 years since he has left (and Belichick has taken over) their defense has ranked 25th and 31st in total defense. Pees did a LOT with mediocre talent. If the twitter speculation is true, I'm excited to see what he can do with the talent that we have here!
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I wouldn't say Vanilla defense considering the stats above in PPG when he was with the Patriots and where the Pats defense have ranked since he left. All four years ranked in the top 5 including second which was a Patriots record in PPG allowed. That was with less talent than what we have. I'm pretty positive looking at those rankings and the rank of the Patriots defense over the past two seasons when he wasn't there, that he'll be a great defensive coordinator for us.

[wayne]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327549158' post='974155']
I hope the rumor is true about Pees. I'll put money on him being an upgrade over Pagano, and I liked Pagano a lot
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You know more about Pees than we know or you going off what he did with NE which is pretty impressive seeing what their D dropped to when he left?

[flynismo]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1327549937' post='974172']
You know more about Pees than we know or you going off what he did with NE which is pretty impressive seeing what their D dropped to when he left?
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He's a winner. His first year in Findlay, they win a national, and that defense had a lot to do with it. If I recall, I don't think any team he has been on in the NFL has been worse than 10 - 6, which is important to me because being brought up in a winning environment and being able to act like you've been there before means a lot as a coach.

Just a smart guy who knows defenses like few others do. I will be thrilled if the rumor is true, and so should everyone else!

[codizzle]

[quote name='Moderator 6' timestamp='1327532410' post='973498']
Mike Singletary?
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Can't win with em

[gabefergy]

I'd lean towards Pees. He has the experience and relationships with our current players.

[callahan09]

Dean Pees might be a good candidate if we want to hire an in-house guy. He was the Defensive Coordinator for the New England Patriots from 2006-2009. I did a little research on that unit to see how they did under his direction:


New England Patriots Defense Rankings Under Dean Peas

Category: 2006 / 2007 / 2008 / 2009
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Total Yards: 6 / 4 / 10 / 11
Yards Per Play: 10 / 7 / 19 / 19
Yards Per Pass: 12 / 6 / 24 / 18
QB Rating: 2 / 11 / 23 / 13
Sacks: 5 / 2 / 14 / 23
Passing Touchdowns: 1 / 18 / 31 / 20
Rushing Touchdowns: 9 / 3 / 4 / 3
Yards Per Rush: 7 / 26 / 15 / 20
Interceptions: 4 / 6 / 15 / 11
Forced Fumbles: 17 / 8 / 19 / 8
Fumble Recoveries: 10 / 13 / 20 / 16
Points: 2 / 4 / 8 / 5

His unit never had the talent of the Ravens defense in my opinion, but he was able to get some nice results out of them during most of his time there. I noticed that his last two season with the team didn't look as impressive as his first two, but that might have something to do with personnel change (I'm not extremely familiar with what was going on with the Patriots' defensive roster during this span of time, so I can't really say).

But even given the inconsistency in things like takeaways, where his unit was noticeably less opportunistic in 2008-09 than they were in 2006-07, and given the significantly reduced effectiveness of the pass rush in the latter 2 seasons as well, his unit maintained consistently high rankings in points per game allowed during all 4 years of his tenure. They were great at keeping the opponent out of the end zone in his first season, but gave up more passing TDs in the latter seasons of his tenure, while managing to maintain a stout enough run defense to keep the opponent out of the end zone by that method during all 4 years of his tenure.

He has shown that with some quality personnel, which he certainly had in 2006-07, he can direct a unit to some fantastic performance statistics. Even given whatever changes caused certain categories to be reduced in his last two seasons, he was still effective in keeping the score low, which is really the most important thing.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1327553241' post='974228']
Can't win with em
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But can you coach with em?

[Rivera]

Hope, they call Del Rio but I think Harbaugh will look for in house solution

[callahan09]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1327537005' post='973751']
Favorite post from Colts forums on the hire of Pagano:

"From a coaching stand point I PRAY he doesn't bring Cam Cameron. He is awful."

Least favorite post(s) so far:

"I would like to see Lardarius Webb come over with Pagano. Baltimore has Rice and Ben Grubbs as their main priorities, and we may be able to steal Webb."

"We will steal Webb. I'm pretty confident in this. Chuck had a great relationship with all the players I hear they love playing for him."

Screw you guys. I hate that team so much. Not Steelers level hate .. but it's up there.
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Webb is the most important player on our defense right now, he stays a Raven for sure. The defense played phenomenally in 2011, doing their job and what should have been enough to win the game had the offense done its part, in every game of the season, including games where Ray Lewis was out, where Ed Reed was playing injured, where Terrell Suggs was invisible, where Ngata was playing hurt, where Jimmy Smith was in, where Jimmy Smith was out, etc. etc. etc. with one major exception: the San Diego game, the one game we didn't have Webb on the field, and the defense craps the bed.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327549158' post='974155']
I hope the rumor is true about Pees. I'll put money on him being an upgrade over Pagano, and I liked Pagano a lot
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Pees runs a defense more similar to Mike Nolan I would say. With what I remember watching the Patriots defense when he was there it was alot of basic stuff with the fronts. I mean Belichick is his own DC anyways, but I dont recall the Pats doing alot of stunts or twists or overload blitzes.

Pees will get the job, I'd put money on it. There's far worse candidates out there so Im not mad by it, but Im going to be heated at Pagano and the entire NFL for raiding our defensive coaches like we're a charity organization for a long, long time.