The Forgotten Blown Call

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Whenever I go onto an opposing teams forum and see threads like this, I laugh to myself.

There are bad calls on both sides in almost every single game. I'm sure there were probably some bad calls against the Patriots that helped us out in this game, but instead, you all are looking at the bad calls that went against us.

This is simply a fact of the game, the refs are human, they make mistakes. I understand it hurts because their decisions have huge consequences. And yes, I agree that some of the calls (or non-calls) that you all are talking about do look very questionable. But nonetheless, sitting here complaining about it won't put us in the superbowl. It just makes us look like almost every other team out there - sore losers who want to blame the loss on anything other than our team.


P.S. The video with Mad World playing in the background is so depressing. I got halfway through and couldn't watch anymore

[1/28/01]

Haven't been around much and wont be around much! This outcome was unreal!

The real "blown call" was ending that game with a timeout in your pocket! Cundiff, Harbaugh; take the freakin timeout!!!!

See you guys in the future sometime!

[awfc_8]

[quote name='Grapple Raven' timestamp='1327557401' post='974304']
Belichick already exploited another NFL loophole by hiring Josh McDaniels right before the playoff game with the Broncos after the regular season. Players can't do that, but the NFL doesn't restrict coaches so naturally Belichick takes advantage of that loophole. The NFL needs to change that rule, but that is of course after Belichick already exploited it. It will be interesting to see if he actually hires him as an O.C. next year.

If you take a look at the NFL transactions during the regular season you will see that Belichick is ALWAYS adding and releasing players to his practice squad of the upcoming teams that they are going to play, he never keeps any of them longer than a couple of weeks and guess what? They are released. Just what are these guys "trying out" for? You and I both know the answer to that question. It is like his practice squad has a revolving door. I really dislike Belichick, all his exploitive tactics all that he stands for. Don't even get me started! If that is what coaching is...I want no part of it.
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First of all, McDaniels was hired before the Patriots knew they were playing the Broncos. They didn't hire him because he used to be the Broncos HC, they hired him because PSU hired the Patriots OC as head coach and so he can't commit 100% of his time to the Patriots and they still run the same offense.

Secondly, provide examples of players who were signed to the Patriots in the week before they played an opponent and then were released shortly thereafter. I can guarantee you won't find any. Danny Woodhead was signed before the Patriots played the Jets, was inactive but has not been cut nearly two full seasons afterwards and is the Patriots primary 3rd down back and primary no huddle back as well as being the #2 option in base formation. I bet you can't find one, yet you claim this "ALWAYS" happens. Making unsubstantiated claims is libel.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='RayRiceRunningfortheRavns' timestamp='1327531391' post='973448']

it's stuck out, as part of the motion of spinning around to follow welker. the arm isn't impeding anybody. [u][b]As if it would matter, the ball was already past both of them.[/b][/u]
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Sorry you're wrong, Welker actually tipped the pass from Brady and that is why the ball was re-directed and picked off.

[baroquenspirit]

Look, I hate Bellicheat and the Puketriots as much as the next guy....but if you all are gonna actually claim that the NFL is against the Ravens you have to give some credible evidence. Who all is in on the conspiracy? Goodell? Head of officials and an whole crew? Patriots brass and scoreboard operated included? Also...why? How does the NFL significantly benefit by having NE in the Super Bowl over the Ravens? Most non-Pats fans were rooting for the Ravens. I think the casual fan and the fans from a lot of other teams would have backed the Ravens in the SB. Ratings would have been fine. The Super Bowl is an institution that could have withstood a Bengals vs. Falcons match-up without suffering. You just can't go off half-cocked with this stuff and expect to be taken seriously. Every single losing play-off team can point to calls or non-calls they think changed the game. Always happens and aint changing any time soon.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1327596542' post='974631']
Look, I hate Bellicheat and the Puketriots as much as the next guy....but if you all are gonna actually claim that the NFL is against the Ravens you have to give some credible evidence. Who all is in on the conspiracy? Goodell? Head of officials and an whole crew? Patriots brass and scoreboard operated included? Also...why? How does the NFL significantly benefit by having NE in the Super Bowl over the Ravens? Most non-Pats fans were rooting for the Ravens. I think the casual fan and the fans from a lot of other teams would have backed the Ravens in the SB. Ratings would have been fine. The Super Bowl is an institution that could have withstood a Bengals vs. Falcons match-up without suffering. You just can't go off half-cocked with this stuff and expect to be taken seriously. Every single losing play-off team can point to calls or non-calls they think changed the game. Always happens and aint changing any time soon.
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I say that it is all about ratings not that no one wants the Ravens there...This Super Bowl is perfect for the networks because of the two top markets in the nation. I think even your beloved Steelers would not get the ratings this one will have. IMO

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327593648' post='974576']

Sorry you're wrong, Welker actually tipped the pass from Brady and that is why the ball was re-directed and picked off.
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Watched the highlight video. I am, infact, retarded.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1327597921' post='974673']
I say that it is all about ratings not that no one wants the Ravens there...This Super Bowl is perfect for the networks because of the two top markets in the nation. I think even your beloved Steelers would not get the ratings this one will have. IMO[/quote]
Meh, if this was true then the cowboys would have the refs behind them every season.

Who knows, maybe they do and Romo just still finds a way to lose.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1327597921' post='974673']
I say that it is all about ratings not that no one wants the Ravens there...This Super Bowl is perfect for the networks because of the two top markets in the nation. I think even your beloved Steelers would not get the ratings this one will have. IMO
[/quote]

So, the ref was told by Goodell, "hey if the Ravens get a pick, throw a flag so they don't go to the Super Bowl?" Really, the NFL is going to risk its credibility as an entity...put the billions and billions of dollars it makes on the line, to keep the ratings a bit higher for one super bowl? Because if a fix gets exposed, the NFL tanks for a long time to come. Wow, dude. Its this crazy conspiracy stuff, plus the fact that ravens fans throw their team under the bus at the first mistake or if they lose a game that just makes me shake my head at you guys. Read the game thread...one score by new england and several people would say, "season over", "fire everyone", "joe can't do it", "dump cam". Two things - 1) The Ravens DO NOT get worse calls than other teams, period, end of story. It just doesn't happen. 2) The Ravens were a darn good football team this year. Twenty-eight teams bowed out before they did. Why don't you hire one of their coaches? Crazy. Just crazy.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1327619275' post='975076'] Meh, if this was true then the cowboys would have the refs behind them every season. Who knows, maybe they do and Romo just still finds a way to lose.[/quote]

Thank you...sanity and intelligent sarcasm in one post. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/229031_cheer.gif[/img]

[Grapple Raven]

@awfc_8

I beg your pardon, check out the following:
McDaniels was hired right before the Pats played the Broncos 1/14!


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[url="http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider"]RavensInsider[/url] Aaron Wilson

Patriots make it official, announcing that Josh McDaniels has rejoined the coaching staff as offensive assistant
[url="http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/156188334610325505"]8 Jan [/url]

[url="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1017330-patriots-hiring-of-josh-mcdaniels-proves-bill-belichick-is-convincing-as-ever"]http://bleacherrepor...vincing-as-ever[/url]

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/media_library/Shows/2011/Purple_Passion/Episode_20_vs_NE/2011_Purple_Passion_Episode_20_Segment_1.aspx?id=f3de699c415740f1825234419bda6e35&s=&i=c06be6358c7b4da1a01e8a63e0d54370"]http://www.baltimore...01e8a63e0d54370[/url]

As for the second part Belichick's practice squad had a revolving door on it the entire season, he is constantly adding/removing players. When I said upcoming teams, I was referring to within a season, don't assume or put words in my mouth. Check out his transactions for this season: [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/new-england-patriots/transactions.html"]http://sportsillustr...ansactions.html[/url] Ross Ventrone (21 transactions in one season) comes to mind, also Josh Victorian, Mike Riveria for a few others.
Belichick bends the rules as far as he can, alot of what he does is questionable in my opinion! I also do not appreciate your implication of unsubstantiated comments, or libelious behavior.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1327637013' post='975385']

So, the ref was told by Goodell, "hey if the Ravens get a pick, throw a flag so they don't go to the Super Bowl?" Really, the NFL is going to risk its credibility as an entity...put the billions and billions of dollars it makes on the line, to keep the ratings a bit higher for one super bowl? Because if a fix gets exposed, the NFL tanks for a long time to come. Wow, dude. Its this crazy conspiracy stuff, plus the fact that ravens fans throw their team under the bus at the first mistake or if they lose a game that just makes me shake my head at you guys. Read the game thread...one score by new england and several people would say, "season over", "fire everyone", "joe can't do it", "dump cam". Two things - 1) The Ravens DO NOT get worse calls than other teams, period, end of story. It just doesn't happen. 2) The Ravens were a darn good football team this year. Twenty-eight teams bowed out before they did. Why don't you hire one of their coaches? Crazy. Just crazy.
[/quote]
I think you missed my point a little....This is great for the networks..did not say the league is shafting the Ravens or any other teams..i just feel that these are the two big markets the media outlets hoped for. I wanted Cam gone just as much as you Steeler fans wanted Arians gone.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1327619275' post='975076']
Meh, if this was true then the cowboys would have the refs behind them every season.

Who knows, maybe they do and Romo just still finds a way to lose.
[/quote]
I guess Romo is not "Tom Terrific".

[usmccharles]

i cant stand these threads. You could literaly call a penalty on every single play,

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1327637013' post='975385']

So, the ref was told by Goodell, "hey if the Ravens get a pick, throw a flag so they don't go to the Super Bowl?" Really, the NFL is going to risk its credibility as an entity...put the billions and billions of dollars it makes on the line, to keep the ratings a bit higher for one super bowl? Because if a fix gets exposed, the NFL tanks for a long time to come. Wow, dude. Its this crazy conspiracy stuff, plus the fact that ravens fans throw their team under the bus at the first mistake or if they lose a game that just makes me shake my head at you guys. Read the game thread...one score by new england and several people would say, "season over", "fire everyone", "joe can't do it", "dump cam". Two things - 1) The Ravens DO NOT get worse calls than other teams, period, end of story. It just doesn't happen. 2) The Ravens were a darn good football team this year. Twenty-eight teams bowed out before they did. Why don't you hire one of their coaches? Crazy. Just crazy.
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I agree that there's no conspiracy, but don't come to our board and start characterizing Ravens fans. Every team has fans that do the things you call crazy. It's easy for you to say that stuff as a Steelers fan, because you have recent Super Bowl success. If you go back to the 90s and early 2000s you see how Steelers fans reacted to playoff losses.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1327690065' post='976266']

I agree that there's no conspiracy, but don't come to our board and start characterizing Ravens fans. Every team has fans that do the things you call crazy. It's easy for you to say that stuff as a Steelers fan, because you have recent Super Bowl success. If you go back to the 90s and early 2000s you see how Steelers fans reacted to playoff losses.
[/quote]

Fair enough...but part of my point is to say, the Ravens are are one of the best teams in the NFL right now. Its not like they need a massive overhaul.

[strngplyr]

[quote name='Grapple Raven' timestamp='1327637192' post='975390']
@awfc_8

I beg your pardon, check out the following:
McDaniels was hired right before the Pats played the Broncos 1/14!


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[url="http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider"]RavensInsider[/url] Aaron Wilson

Patriots make it official, announcing that Josh McDaniels has rejoined the coaching staff as offensive assistant
[url="http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/156188334610325505"]8 Jan [/url]

[url="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1017330-patriots-hiring-of-josh-mcdaniels-proves-bill-belichick-is-convincing-as-ever"]http://bleacherrepor...vincing-as-ever[/url]

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/media_library/Shows/2011/Purple_Passion/Episode_20_vs_NE/2011_Purple_Passion_Episode_20_Segment_1.aspx?id=f3de699c415740f1825234419bda6e35&s=&i=c06be6358c7b4da1a01e8a63e0d54370"]http://www.baltimore...01e8a63e0d54370[/url]

As for the second part Belichick's practice squad had a revolving door on it the entire season, he is constantly adding/removing players. When I said upcoming teams, I was referring to within a season, don't assume or put words in my mouth. Check out his transactions for this season: [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/new-england-patriots/transactions.html"]http://sportsillustr...ansactions.html[/url] Ross Ventrone (21 transactions in one season) comes to mind, also Josh Victorian, Mike Riveria for a few others.
Belichick bends the rules as far as he can, alot of what he does is questionable im my opinion! I also do not appreciate your implication of unsubstantiated comments, or libelious behavior.
[/quote]

Ross Ventrone played with what other teams, exactly? Was NE playing NE? When you get promoted to the active roster you can't be placed directly onto the practice squad.

1. Practice Squad -> Active Roster
2. Cut from Active Roster
3. Signed to Practice squad

Each trip between rosters counts as 3 transactions.

Our secondary had something like 14 different players play over 100 snaps this season. These transactions are VERY common when you lose your #1 Safety for half the season and your #2 injures his shoulder every other snap, you #3 CB is released due to a back injury, his replacement is on IR, your #1 CB misses a handful of games after having his shoulder separated by your 4th string safety who was on and off the roster, not to mention the handful of true JAGs including Jones and Molden who were signed and released multiple times depending on what was needed. We also had a pair of WR's playing S/NB due to injuries.

NE doesn't simply sign players before a game to pump them for intel and abruptly release them, they sign players of need, and it is doubtful any team had an injury situation remotely similar to NE in the secondary this season. I can't even name everyone who played in our secondary in 2011 off the top of my head, and about 80% of the PS transactions made that you apparently think is some illegal move were to fix areas of need.

As far as McDaniels, he was hired by NE the Saturday before Pitt/Denver played (I believe they played Sunday Night?, it was either the morning of, or the day after) and it was officially announced a few days later. It isn't common for the announcement of a hiring to be delayed. Dennis Allen was named the coach of Oakland on Monday and only officially announced on Thursday, for one example. Coaches agree to terms and then have the contract finalized.

[stan]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1327508491' post='972541']
If the db and wr run into eachother on accident, it's incidental contact, you can't call it interference or illegal contact. In my opinion it was blatantly incidental contact.
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True. Honestly our receivers didn't get called for the occasional push either. I'd say all-in-all the game was called fairly.

[Grapple Raven]

@strngplyr Try a reading comprehension class

[awfc_8]

[quote name='Grapple Raven' timestamp='1327637192' post='975390']
@awfc_8

I beg your pardon, check out the following:
McDaniels was hired right before the Pats played the Broncos 1/14!


[img]http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/341432004/wilsona_normal.jpg[/img]

[url="http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider"]RavensInsider[/url] Aaron Wilson

Patriots make it official, announcing that Josh McDaniels has rejoined the coaching staff as offensive assistant
[url="http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/156188334610325505"]8 Jan [/url]

[url="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1017330-patriots-hiring-of-josh-mcdaniels-proves-bill-belichick-is-convincing-as-ever"]http://bleacherrepor...vincing-as-ever[/url]

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/media_library/Shows/2011/Purple_Passion/Episode_20_vs_NE/2011_Purple_Passion_Episode_20_Segment_1.aspx?id=f3de699c415740f1825234419bda6e35&s=&i=c06be6358c7b4da1a01e8a63e0d54370"]http://www.baltimore...01e8a63e0d54370[/url]

As for the second part Belichick's practice squad had a revolving door on it the entire season, he is constantly adding/removing players. When I said upcoming teams, I was referring to within a season, don't assume or put words in my mouth. Check out his transactions for this season: [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/new-england-patriots/transactions.html"]http://sportsillustr...ansactions.html[/url] Ross Ventrone (21 transactions in one season) comes to mind, also Josh Victorian, Mike Riveria for a few others.
Belichick bends the rules as far as he can, alot of what he does is questionable in my opinion! I also do not appreciate your implication of unsubstantiated comments, or libelious behavior.
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[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4714361/patriots-make-mcdaniels-hire-official"]http://espn.go.com/b...s-hire-official[/url]

McDaniels' hire was officially announced the morning of January 8th. Denver played Pittsburgh that evening, several hours later

[MLGWL20]

On the 3rd down pass to Pitta where there was obvious contact I think the flag wasn't throw because Joe was out of the pocket. When the QB is out of the pocket there is no illegal contact or defensive holding. Atleast I think so.

If that is the case I can see why no flag was thrown, but I still think there should have been a PI called.