The Forgotten Blown Call

[oldcoltsfan]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327513761' post='972701']
All these post and topics about blown calls/refs/ scoreboard really comes across as we're bunch of cry-babies. Regardless of all of those things that I just mentioned, we had 2 opportunities at the end of the game to score and we blew both of them. All you can ask for as a coach is the opportunity to win the game at the end when it matters. We had that and didn't capitalize.

It pains me as much as anyone on this forum that we lost. But stop blaming the refs. There never was or will be a referee's conspiracy to keep us from going to the Super Bowl. There were questionable calls on both sides, but none that could have affected the outcome of the game. The refs blew a call when they ruled that Gronk was out of bounds when he caught that sideline pass. He was actually in and that catch and 1st down could have easily resulted in a TD.

The coaches and players determine if we win the AFC champ game. Unfortunately, neither one of them performed or executed to their abilities to do so.
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I tend to agree. Every time there is a close game you can go on to the forum of the team which lost ,and there is a thread about the "blown calls" which cost their team the game.

No game is perfectly called and I didn't see any blatant blown calls in the game. Neither did the guys in the broadcast booths. Nobody mentioned that I heard anything about blown calls costing the Ravens the game.

I do believe there is a home field bias that affects the refs, this was documented in a SI story last year. If the Ravens had not lost games to weak teams we would have had the home field in the playoffs.

Anyway we had a trip to the Super Bowl in the hands of one of our receivers and the ball was stripped. The refs didn't cause that.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327513761' post='972701']
All these post and topics about blown calls/refs/ scoreboard really comes across as we're bunch of cry-babies. Regardless of all of those things that I just mentioned, we had 2 opportunities at the end of the game to score and we blew both of them. All you can ask for as a coach is the opportunity to win the game at the end when it matters. We had that and didn't capitalize.

It pains me as much as anyone on this forum that we lost. But stop blaming the refs. There never was or will be a referee's conspiracy to keep us from going to the Super Bowl. There were questionable calls on both sides, but none that could have affected the outcome of the game. The refs blew a call when they ruled that Gronk was out of bounds when he caught that sideline pass. He was actually in and that catch and 1st down could have easily resulted in a TD.

The coaches and players determine if we win the AFC champ game. Unfortunately, neither one of them performed or executed to their abilities to do so.
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I agree with you, a lot didnt go the way i wish it did, but at the end of the day the Ravens had a chance to win it.

And everyone here has to stop bashing our coaching staff about seeing the wrong down on the scoreboard, that gaff was on Cundiff. He's the only one that's looking at the scoreboard because he's away from the sideline doing his kicking routine. Everyone else knew the down and distance.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='i82much' timestamp='1327514839' post='972731']

You really need to get off your high horse and understand the distinction between blaming the refs for the loss and legitimate criticism of the officiating. The refs didn't lose the game for us, but the NFL has very serious problems with the quality of the officiating. This forum is a perfectly appropriate place to discuss the quality of the officiating.
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I'm not on a high horse...but you're criticizing the refs because we lost the game. There wouldn't be a single post in this forum this week criticizing the refs if we would have won. The refs are human they will make mistakes, you just have to overcome them. Just like when players make mistakes on offense (drop passes) or defense (blown coverage), you have to overcome them to win.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1327515304' post='972750']
how are we cryin when they blew calls during the game? Really the is NFL supposed to make the teams earn their way to the super bowl, not give it to them! It doesnt mean we bitter, we want the game be played on a even field. Is that hard to ask. [b]The Lee evans catch is a TOUCHDOWN! I seen touchdowns given for even less. So you can miss me with the whining bit.[/b]
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The fact that you think the Evans catch was a touchdown tells me all I need to know regarding your opinions about the refs. He did not complete the catch!!

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1327515304' post='972750']
how are we cryin when they blew calls during the game? Really the is NFL supposed to make the teams earn their way to the super bowl, not give it to them! It doesnt mean we bitter, we want the game be played on a even field. Is that hard to ask. The Lee evans catch is a TOUCHDOWN! I seen touchdowns given for even less. So you can miss me with the whining bit.
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I'm sure you didn't have a problem w/ the incomplete call on Gronks catch. Your fine when they miss calls that benefit the Ravens? Gotcha.

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327515900' post='972778']

The fact that you think the Evans catch was a touchdown tells me all I need to know regarding your opinions about the refs. He did not complete the catch!!
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really so how is that different than the catch he made in the preseason? If you say that is the preseason, you looking for a cop out!

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

I'll say it. We got robbed. We were the better team on Sunday, but between scoreboard-gate and blatant Ref-ball, we went home with an L.

The fact that the Ravens still almost won, despite everything working against us just goes to show how good the Ravens are when they click.

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327515981' post='972783']

I'm sure you didn't have a problem w/ the incomplete call on Gronks catch. Your fine when they miss calls that benefit the Ravens? Gotcha.
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sorry that was not a catch was there two feet in? answer that? [url="http://youtu.be/nAZrKnk3Y0k"]http://youtu.be/nAZrKnk3Y0k[/url] check out this link look at the 1:10 mark let me kno what you think? Inconsistant calls from refs

[Guest RBates]

No surprise here. It pretty much sums up Brady's career.

[awfc_8]

Watch the video:

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8263cbab/GameDay-Ravens-vs-Patriots-highlights"]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8263cbab/GameDay-Ravens-vs-Patriots-highlights

W[/url]ebb sticks his arm out and impedes Welker's route. How is it incidental contact if he sticks his arm out? He makes a move to block Welker.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327509938' post='972590']

haha, love it....you're funny when you're pissed!
[/quote]

I'll be raging about this game until the draft.

[omar586]

that is why i like it when the ravens blow out teams, so it doesn't come down to a last sec game winning play, field goal, or refs errors. , just blow them out and forget about it.

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='awfc_8' timestamp='1327520548' post='972902']
Watch the video:

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8263cbab/GameDay-Ravens-vs-Patriots-highlights"]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8263cbab/GameDay-Ravens-vs-Patriots-highlights[/url]
[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8263cbab/GameDay-Ravens-vs-Patriots-highlights"] [/url]

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8263cbab/GameDay-Ravens-vs-Patriots-highlights"] W[/url]ebb sticks his arm out and impedes Welker's route. How is it incidental contact if he sticks his arm out? He makes a move to block Welker.
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Webb hardly touched him with his arm. Most of the contact was Hernandez barging onto his shoulder pad and planting his elbow on Webb's helmet. I don't agree with that call at all.

[Gordo52]

The NFL is screwed up. And now Goodell gets an extension so it may develope into flag football in a few years.

[Hardbaugh]

Any time a team plays the Pats whose name isn't Pittsburgh they not only have to beat the team on the field they also have to overcome officiating. True the Ravens could have won the game but it took some outstanding performances to get to that point.

I felt that Webb impeded Welker on the play but that same play happens on almost every passing play and rarely gets called. [u] I'm not 100% certain but [/u]I also felt the flag came out after the ball was caught and not at the time of the infraction. I saw numerous penalties on the Patriot DBs that didn't get a flag the most blatant was the two armed mugging on Pitta at the two near the end. I'd bet my life that no team will ever get that call against that squad but Brady will get the same call always.

NFL officiating is not much better than a shade above WWE refs.

[awfc_8]

[quote name='Crabcakes&Football' timestamp='1327522742' post='972951']

Webb hardly touched him with his arm. Most of the contact was Hernandez barging onto his shoulder pad and planting his elbow on Webb's helmet. I don't agree with that call at all.
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What? Welker (Not Hernandez) is running in front of Webb. Instead of trying to run with him, Webb sticks his arm to prevent Welker running past him.

[awfc_8]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1327523130' post='972960']
The NFL is screwed up. And now Goodell gets an extension so it may develope into flag football in a few years.
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[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1327523163' post='972961']
Any time a team plays the Pats whose name isn't Pittsburgh they not only have to beat the team on the field they also have to overcome officiating. True the Ravens could have won the game but it took some outstanding performances to get to that point.

I felt that Webb impeded Welker on the play but that same play happens on almost every passing play and rarely gets called. [u]I'm not 100% certain but [/u]I also felt the flag came out after the ball was caught and not at the time of the infraction. I saw numerous penalties on the Patriot DBs that didn't get a flag the most blatant was the two armed mugging on Pitta at the two near the end. I'd bet my life that no team will ever get that call against that squad but Brady will get the same call always.

NFL officiating is not much better than a shade above WWE refs.
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First of all, the flag is out way before the ball is caught as show by this picture.

[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/166ywqu.png[/img]


Second of all, please try to be objective. Welker beat Webb with an inside move, he tried to avoid hitting him (and does) and Webb sticks his arm out to stop him.

First pic: Welker clearly beats Webb with an inside move that catches Webb off guard.

[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/246qe7d.png[/img]



After Welker beats Webb, Webb sticks his arm out around Welker (circled). Notice that Welker is trying to avoid contact with Webb. Please try to be objective. Welker beat Webb, Webb grabbed Welker. That's a flag every time.

[img]http://i40.tinypic.com/2zq5swp.png[/img]

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

welker changes directions and runs into webb's arm as webb tries to turn towards the ball. stupid call, but thats what happens when the Pats play at home.
Foxborough.. more like Refborough

[awfc_8]

[quote name='RayRiceRunningfortheRavns' timestamp='1327524966' post='973006']
welker changes directions and runs into webb's arm as webb tries to turn towards the ball. stupid call, but thats what happens when the Pats play at home.
Foxborough.. more like Refborough
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He's running a route. He's allowed to change direction. Webb isn't allowed to stick his arm out to prevent him doing so.

[Gordo52]

Another blown call:
(Go to 2:26 best angle of the play I have seen so far)

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLZu2sA0gqs&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLZu2sA0gqs&feature=related[/url]

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1327525320' post='973019']
Another blown call:
(Go to 2:26 best angle of the play I have seen so far)

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLZu2sA0gqs&feature=related[/media]
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and it is funny because moore looked at the ref because it is PI clear as day and the ref did nothing bout it, even tho he pulled pitta and jumped and knocked down the ball

[frozen joe flacco fan]

[quote name='awfc_8' timestamp='1327523886' post='972977']
What? Welker (Not Hernandez) is running in front of Webb. Instead of trying to run with him, Webb sticks his arm to prevent Welker running past him.
[/quote]

It was an atrocious call. Webb is quickly becoming one of the premier Corners in the league. He was just playing like a defender in basketball. Of course, you are not allowed to touch the offensive player when you are guarding a player in basketball. However, there is no law against holding your arms out in a defensive position, which is what Webb was doing. The offensive player, Welker, ran into him and Webb was called for the foul. It was not even close to an arm bar; it was merely incidental contact and clearly was a hometown call. There is no excuse for poor officiating, especially at the professional level. When I used to coach youth basketball, I never cared whether the officiating was good or bad (but I really did) as long as it was consistent for both teams. If the most casual observer of this game could not tell that the officials were biased, he or she has not been a student of the game for very long. It was very reminiscent of the game in which the Oakland Raiders were jobbed and robbed by the officials in NE when the NFL devised the tuck rule to give a game to the Pats. Clearly, we were robbed and jobbed just as the Raiders were in NE when Brady was hit and fumbled the ball when he tried to protect the ball. I really like Kraft cheese though.

A friend of mine who is a NE fan felt Evans' catch in the end zone was a TD. So do I. Establishing possession in the end zone is different than it is on any other part of the field. As a former basketball and football coach, I never minded losing games due to my teams' deficiencies but I never appreciated having the game decided by poor officiating. Joe almost managed to overcome the poor officiating by orchestrating what would have been known as one of the greatest drives in playoff history if Lee Evans had not tried to celebrate prematurely. Or was Sterling Moore actually guilty of pass interference on a great catch? If anyone thinks there is no officiating bias in the NFL, they are naive.

[pats_fan_2012]

[quote name='awfc_8' timestamp='1327524547' post='972990']







First of all, the flag is out way before the ball is caught as show by this picture.

[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/166ywqu.png[/img]


Second of all, please try to be objective. Welker beat Webb with an inside move, he tried to avoid hitting him (and does) and Webb sticks his arm out to stop him.

First pic: Welker clearly beats Webb with an inside move that catches Webb off guard.

[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/246qe7d.png[/img]



After Welker beats Webb, Webb sticks his arm out around Welker (circled). Notice that Welker is trying to avoid contact with Webb. Please try to be objective. Welker beat Webb, Webb grabbed Welker. That's a flag every time.

[img]http://i40.tinypic.com/2zq5swp.png[/img]
[/quote]

I'm glad you are in here to set the record straight, it seems like raven fans wanna blame everyone else but their own team. No wonder they havent won since t.dilfer was QBing..instead of owning up to the lost, they wanna blame the stars, the moons and the skies.....

quite belly aching..u know how you stop any controversy, you beat the team by a considerable margin, and that's ends your conspiracy theories..sour losers...

you guys and b.pollard.....

good job talking about injurying a player AFTER HE MADE THE CATCH...yea a good safety stops him from making the catch.

[awfc_8]

[quote name='frozen joe flacco fan' timestamp='1327525950' post='973038']

It was an atrocious call. Webb is quickly becoming one of the premier Corners in the league. He was just playing like a defender in basketball. Of course, you are not allowed to touch the offensive player when you are guarding a player in basketball. However, there is no law against holding your arms out in a defensive position, which is what Webb was doing. The offensive player, Welker, ran into him and Webb was called for the foul. It was not even close to an arm bar; it was merely incidental contact and clearly was a hometown call. There is no excuse for poor officiating, especially at the professional level. When I used to coach youth basketball, I never cared whether the officiating was good or bad (but I really did) as long as it was consistent for both teams. If the most casual observer of this game could not tell that the officials were biased, he or she has not been a student of the game for very long. It was very reminiscent of the game in which the Oakland Raiders were jobbed and robbed by the officials in NE when the NFL devised the tuck rule to give a game to the Pats. Clearly, we were robbed and jobbed just as the Raiders were in NE when Brady was hit and fumbled the ball when he tried to protect the ball. I really like Kraft cheese though.

A friend of mine who is a NE fan felt Evans' catch in the end zone was a TD. So do I. Establishing possession in the end zone is different than it is on any other part of the field. As a former basketball and football coach, I never minded losing games due to my teams' deficiencies but I never appreciated having the game decided by poor officiating. Joe almost managed to overcome the poor officiating by orchestrating what would have been known as one of the greatest drives in playoff history if Lee Evans had not tried to celebrate prematurely. Or was Sterling Moore actually guilty of pass interference on a great catch? If anyone thinks there is no officiating bias in the NFL, they are naive.
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Look at the pictures i posted. Welker beats Webb inside, notice that Webb's arm is to his side. Next frame, Webb's arm is stuck out impeding Welker. You can not do this. 100% correct call.

[Lawbrum]

The Pitta one was even worse when it came to contact. He ran an out, saw Flacco looking and tried to go back towards the middle. It was clear that the db was holding him and not letting him go back and he was clearly more down the field than 5 yards to allow any contact. If you call the one on Webb you would surely have to call the intentional grabbing of Pitta. Should have been 1st and goal

[warbux]

I do feel that we get the short end of the stick from referees more often than most, but this was not one of those cases. The game was officiated well. If they really wanted to help out the Patriots they could have easily overturned Torrey Smith's touchdown where he either almost or barely touched out of bounds.

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

[quote name='awfc_8' timestamp='1327526111' post='973046']
Look at the pictures i posted. Welker beats Webb inside, notice that Webb's arm is to his side. Next frame, Webb's arm is stuck out impeding Welker. You can not do this. 100% correct call.
[/quote]

[s]it's stuck out, as part of the motion of spinning around to follow welker. the arm isn't impeding anybody. As if it would matter, the ball was already past both of them[/s]

edit: JK. watched the highlight video. I am retarded.

[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1327507233' post='972492']
there were a lot of bad calls and errors in that game

How does the Scoreboard not show the right information, how can that be acceptable

a lot of plays could have been made, we didnt get it done but it feels worse when human error takes a role
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[color=#800080][b][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif]I actually thought the same thing, because I remember on the Ravens final drive to win the game, the banner at the top screen actually came up and it read "1st & 1"... I was like, that's not right. But then it corrected itself to 2nd & 1. So, maybe it changed on the telly, but not in the stadium.[/font][/b][/color]

[color=#800080][b][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif]I only bring it up because the 1st & 1 kind of made me go "hmm".[/font][/b][/color]

[color=#800080][b][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif]I know Harb's said he thought we were OK, but still... you look up at the scoreboard, it says 3rd... the official says it's 4th and you've got about 15 seconds to get your special teams in place AND KICK... as soon as the official said it's 4th down, I would've been throwing time-out IN HIS FACE![/font][/b][/color]

[color=#800080][b][font=trebuchet ms, helvetica, sans-serif]If anyone recorded the game, take a look and just confirm what I said above [a screen capture posted on the forum would be awesome!], so that way no one thinks I'm crazy.[/font][/b][/color]

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327506766' post='972468']
The pitta mugging at the end was blatant as well.
[/quote]

yeah i don't know when thats not illegal!

[Grapple Raven]

Belichick already exploited another NFL loophole by hiring Josh McDaniels right before the playoff game with the Broncos after the regular season. Players can't do that, but the NFL doesn't restrict coaches so naturally Belichick takes advantage of that loophole. The NFL needs to change that rule, but that is of course after Belichick already exploited it. It will be interesting to see if he actually hires him as an O.C. next year.

If you take a look at the NFL transactions during the regular season you will see that Belichick is ALWAYS adding and releasing players to his practice squad of the upcoming teams that they are going to play, he never keeps any of them longer than a couple of weeks and guess what? They are released. Just what are these guys "trying out" for? You and I both know the answer to that question. It is like his practice squad has a revolving door. I really dislike Belichick, all his exploitive tactics all that he stands for. Don't even get me started! If that is what coaching is...I want no part of it.