The Forgotten Blown Call

[sflegend89]

Let me start off by saying this is NOT, an excuse thread. There is no excuses for the loss, it's ultimately on us, not the pats or the refs.

I was talking to a co-worker who's a Giants fan and he told me he despises the pats because they always get the benefit of the doubt from refs, they don't earn their wins to the same degree other teams do because they are guaranteed a few bail out calls EVERY game.

I asked what calls he thought fit into this category from the Ravens-Pats game. He immediately said "The Ravens 1st Interception by Pollard! The flag came down way after the pick, the call was illegal contact on webb. They showed a replay and it was obviously incidental contact (which happens on EVERY pass play) and the ref was right there to see that. When the alleged penalty occurs the ref closest to the play has no reaction, the flag comes down from a back judge way after the ball was obviously intercepted".

I was livid about that play when it first happened and I had the same feelings at the time that it was a "Brady Bailout" call. Everyone seems to have forgotten about this play because of what happened in the last 20 seconds. Keep in mind that instead of getting the ball near mid field, the bogus call instead led to a pats FG.. and we lost by 3. To me this is the biggest screw job from this whole game. It just makes me sick that the pats weasled their way to another SB because of crap like this. When Falcco throws a pick he has to take 100% responsibility, when Brady makes a mistake he has the officials to back him up.. throw some very convenient flags that end up being horrible calls once the replay is shown. Do I even need to mention the tuck rule? there has always been something shady about the officiating in pats home games. I don't think the refs intentionally try to bail out brady, not like they sit around in meetings and talk about fixing games. It's more of a subconcious thing. I call it the LeBron James Effect. Lebron goes up for a lay up and misses, a ref blows the whistle even though he only saw the play out of the corner of his eye. Then why did he call a foul? The best player in the league missed a lay up, must've gotten fouled.


We still should've won regardless and I'm not making an excuse, the game is still on us as a team. But I can't help to feel that the pats really "weasled" their way to a win. Don't forget the scoreboard "error" either. Knowing their history involving cheating, it was really a shady win for the pats. I'm not saying they cheated but like I said something just feels very shady about this game. I know we still could've won/tied on that last drive but in all honesty if they didn't blatant screw us over on the Pollard pick then maybe it wouldn't have ever came down to that.

[757RavensFan]

I disagree. I saw the flag when the ball was
still in the air. I immediately said its coming back.

[pats_fan_2012]

I'm gonna say off the bat, i know my opinion is not gonna be popular on here, but after the aftermath of the AFC championship between the pats and the ravens and the excuses and crying..i'm just tired of it, and had to create an account (it wont be on for long)


you guys lost, plan n simple. If you guys were the better team you would have won. How you win is by outscoring your opponent. Stop talking about blown calls, pats cheating, time keeping...all that doesnt matter. The reason the ravens lose all the time is instead of owning up to a lost, a handful of their fans, and players point fingers and blame everyone else but themselves. (the ravens have only beaten the pats one time since brady had been quarterbacking....is that stat even talked about??)

i've been watching football since 86, and every fan complains about a miss calls...stop it

you're team lost, they couldnt score more points than the pats, plan n simple..you held brady to no touchdowns(eventhough he had one to gronk that would of been) but didnt stop him from moving down the field....plan n simple

own up to it and move on.. Ray Lewis has been the only one i heard that accepted the lost and paid respect....smh

[sflegend89]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327506264' post='972453']
I disagree. I saw the flag when the ball was
still in the air. I immediately said its coming back.
[/quote]
I can't recall when the flag cam down exactly, I was of course quoting a co-worker of mine about that part. It was a horrible call regardless, it was blatantly incidental contact. If it happened the other way around I believe 100% that it wouldn't have been called.

[flynismo]

The pitta mugging at the end was blatant as well.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1327506646' post='972463']
it was blatantly incidental contact.
[/quote]
wait, what?

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1327506807' post='972469']
wait, what?
[/quote]

Webb got ran into. If anyone should have gotten flagged it was hernandez.

[scrock]

there were a lot of bad calls and errors in that game

How does the Scoreboard not show the right information, how can that be acceptable

a lot of plays could have been made, we didnt get it done but it feels worse when human error takes a role

[757RavensFan]

I'm not even going to mention the "scoreboard" error. We have players and coaches on the sideline and if they can't differentiate between 3rd and 4th down, they shouldn't be a Raven. Besides...those 2 big yellow sticks (down markers) are kept by the officials.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327507316' post='972495']
I'm not even going to mention the "scoreboard" error. We have players and coaches on the sideline and if they can't differentiate between 3rd and 4th down, they shouldn't be a Raven. Besides...those 2 big yellow sticks (down markers) are kept by the officials.
[/quote]

Yeah, this is so silly. A gaggle of coaches on the sideline. They know what friggin down it is, c'mon.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1327507406' post='972499']

Yeah, this is so silly. A gaggle of coaches on the sideline. They know what friggin down it is, c'mon.
[/quote]

Exactly, complete the catch we win. Make the kick we extend it to OT. Bottom Line!!

[scrock]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327507316' post='972495']
I'm not even going to mention the "scoreboard" error. We have players and coaches on the sideline and if they can't differentiate between 3rd and 4th down, they shouldn't be a Raven. Besides...those 2 big yellow sticks (down markers) are kept by the officials.
[/quote]
[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1327507406' post='972499']

Yeah, this is so silly. A gaggle of coaches on the sideline. They know what friggin down it is, c'mon.
[/quote]

I think you both are just dismissing it as they should know..and they should! BUT..at this level of PROFESSIONAL sports and at that big of a stage in the game how can the NFL not have people in place to make sure the correct information is being shown on the scoreboard

How often do u think guys glance at the scoreboard ? A LOT

Thats a horrible thing and it needs to be brought up and looked at and improved, take the human error out of it

even if it is a guy just going along the game with down and distance and taking in every play, have a couple people taking note and make sure its right

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1327507233' post='972492']
there were a lot of bad calls and errors in that game

[b]How does the Scoreboard not show the right information, how can that be acceptable[/b]

a lot of plays could have been made, we didnt get it done but it feels worse when human error takes a role
[/quote]

More shady crap from the Patriots just like everything else they sneak and do...spygate, stealin signals, etc.

[CapoRocky]

We at home had the benefit of the TV keeping the right down. The coaches not only have a big yellow down marker in front of them, but they also have a flock of flunkies in the booth to tell them what's happening on field. No excuse, Harbaugh, you are the one ultimately responsible for the miss. Why didn't you call a timeout and give your kicker time to line up his kick? The head coach should not be exempt from some of our ire about the loss. Have fun at the senior bowl. I hope you come back without Cameron.

[scrock]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1327507929' post='972518']

More shady crap from the Patriots just like everything else they sneak and do...spygate, stealin signals, etc.
[/quote]

the fact that people even have that thought is proof it needs to change, the NFL needs to place officials in there or something not have home town guys do it or however its done currently

[CapoRocky]

Evans was guilty of getting caught up in the moment. All he had to do was hold on to the ball and fall down. He tried to run to the back of the end zone to celebrate. It's kind of like running before you secure the ball that causes a lot of dropped passes. Cundiff is not a solid kicker. He was struggling long before he "injured" his calf. Still, that kick would only ensure that we went to overtime, not a victory. Evans cost us the game.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1327507720' post='972513']



I think you both are just dismissing it as they should know..and they should! BUT..at this level of PROFESSIONAL sports and at that big of a stage in the game how can the NFL not have people in place to make sure the correct information is being shown on the scoreboard

How often do u think guys glance at the scoreboard ? A LOT

Thats a horrible thing and it needs to be brought up and looked at and improved, take the human error out of it

even if it is a guy just going along the game with down and distance and taking in every play, have a couple people taking note and make sure its right
[/quote]
No. I just think you are blowing things out of proportion as you have a habit of doing consistently.

[sflegend89]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1327506807' post='972469']
wait, what?
[/quote]
If the db and wr run into eachother on accident, it's incidental contact, you can't call it interference or illegal contact. In my opinion it was blatantly incidental contact.

[i82much]

Every time someone brings up officiating they get blamed for making excuses. That's not right. Irrespective of how the outcome may have been affected, this game was another in a long line of examples why the NFL needs to make a serious effort to improve the officiating. The call on Webb isn't so bad if they also throw the flag for the holding on PItta. Inconsistencies like this are really what drive fans crazy and lead to conspiracy theories and all this other nonsense.

There will never be a perfect way to officiate a game, but for the NFL to not have full-time referees is absolutely mind-boggling. These guys should be taking the off-season to get on the same page to try and develop some consistency in the way calls are made and to make sure everyone is on the same page about the interpretation of the rules.

[CapoRocky]

Pollard's interception, Pitta's mugging, lack of review on Evan's catch, and the scoreboard-gate. It is funny. Like my father would say (in Italian): Tutti gli sport sono corrotti. Tutto quello di cui hai bisogno è abbastanza soldi o leva e nulla può essere risolto. It means, all sport is corrupted. All you need is enough money or leverage and anything can be 'fixed'. They sure 'fixed' the scoreboard and 'fixed' the problem of us winning the game.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1327508491' post='972541']
If the db and wr run into eachother on accident, it's incidental contact, you can't call it interference or illegal contact. In my opinion it was blatantly incidental contact.
[/quote]

As a first generation Italian immigrant. Let me reach into my bag of sayings to sum this up, "Se tutti sono colpevoli allora nessuno è colpevole." It means, if everyone is guilty, then no one is guilty. If you call it on Webb, then also call the one on Pitta. If you intend to let them play, then don't call anything on either player.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1327507720' post='972513']

I think you both are just dismissing it as they should know..and they should! BUT..at this level of PROFESSIONAL sports and at that big of a stage in the game how can the NFL not have people in place to make sure the correct information is being shown on the scoreboard

How often do u think guys glance at the scoreboard ? A LOT

[u][b]Thats a horrible thing and it needs to be brought up and looked at and improved, take the human error out of it[/b][/u]

even if it is a guy just going along the game with down and distance and taking in every play, have a couple people taking note and make sure its right
[/quote]

You can't take the human error out of it. There's a human being pushing the button to change the down on the scoreboard. Just like the human (official) changing the down marker. The NFL appointed referees are the ones responsible for providing the official down and yardage. Again if there was any Raven (player or coach) paying attention, they knew what down it was. I'm sure there's someone on the staff who's sole purpose is to know the official down! If they didn't know what down it was, why did the entire offense walk off the field after the 3rd down play?

[flynismo]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1327508933' post='972559']
Pollard's interception, Pitta's mugging, lack of review on Evan's catch, and the scoreboard-gate. It is funny. Like my father would say (in Italian): Tutti gli sport sono corrotti. Tutto quello di cui hai bisogno è abbastanza soldi o leva e nulla può essere risolto. It means, all sport is corrupted. All you need is enough money or leverage and anything can be 'fixed'. They sure 'fixed' the scoreboard and 'fixed' the problem of us winning the game.
[/quote]

haha, love it....you're funny when you're pissed!

[hawkprey]

Listen to the how the ref calls the flag Webb in the 1st quarter. He's absolutely furious. Furious like Pollard almost cost him a lot of money or Webb stepped on his son. I was like "For real? This guy sounds like he's emotionally involved in the outcome." Think of when Ngata had that "completely unnecessary hit" on a QB who threw the ball while he was lunging at him.

[baltravens]

Let's move on. When Cundiff missed the chipshot, [b]we lost the game.[/b] Let discuss the possibilities of [b]upgrading [/b]at Offensive Coordinator to help Flacco reach his full potential at quarterback.

[cobrajet]

The call on Webb to me was certainly incidental contact. Webb got run over he did not step up and hit. That takes 3 points off the board and gives us momentum that we needed during the slow start we had. That call and the non-call on the helmet to helmet on Pitta were the two things I had the problem with, more so than the non-booth reveiw for the Evans play in the end zone.

[callahan09]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1327512301' post='972659']
The call on Webb to me was certainly incidental contact. Webb got run over he did not step up and hit. That takes 3 points off the board and gives us momentum that we needed during the slow start we had. That call and the non-call on the helmet to helmet on Pitta were the two things I had the problem with, more so than the non-booth reveiw for the Evans play in the end zone.
[/quote]
I loved it how after the game some analyst on ESPN or NFL Network, can't remember which one, was showing the clip of the helmet to helmet on Pitta and literally said this:

"99 times out of a 100, that call is made, they call the penalty there, but I for one am really glad they didn't call it this time."

What the **** does that mean, can anyone tell me? Why would you be glad they don't call something that they ALWAYS call? Wouldn't you be in FAVOR of consistency and fairness?

The whole game reeked of BS from top to bottom, we had so many things go against us, like the scoreboard debacle, the stupid penalty on Webb, the real penalties on Moore (holding Pitta) and helmet-to-helmet hit on Pitta (both of these were against defenders doing illegal stuff on Pitta, I realized!) that weren't called... The failure to at least review, even if it doesn't get turned over, the Evans strip in the end zone... Just too much to overcome.

[757RavensFan]

All these post and topics about blown calls/refs/ scoreboard really comes across as we're bunch of cry-babies. Regardless of all of those things that I just mentioned, we had 2 opportunities at the end of the game to score and we blew both of them. All you can ask for as a coach is the opportunity to win the game at the end when it matters. We had that and didn't capitalize.

It pains me as much as anyone on this forum that we lost. But stop blaming the refs. There never was or will be a referee's conspiracy to keep us from going to the Super Bowl. There were questionable calls on both sides, but none that could have affected the outcome of the game. The refs blew a call when they ruled that Gronk was out of bounds when he caught that sideline pass. He was actually in and that catch and 1st down could have easily resulted in a TD.

The coaches and players determine if we win the AFC champ game. Unfortunately, neither one of them performed or executed to their abilities to do so.

[i82much]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327513761' post='972701']
All these post and topics about blown calls/refs/ scoreboard really comes across as we're bunch of cry-babies. Regardless of all of those things that I just mentioned, we had 2 opportunities at the end of the game to score and we blew both of them. All you can ask for as a coach is the opportunity to win the game at the end when it matters. We had that and didn't capitalize.

It pains me as much as anyone on this forum that we lost. But stop blaming the refs. There never was or will be a referee's conspiracy to keep us from going to the Super Bowl. There were questionable calls on both sides, but none that could have affected the outcome of the game. The refs blew a call when they ruled that Gronk was out of bounds when he caught that sideline pass. He was actually in and that catch and 1st down could have easily resulted in a TD.

The coaches and players determine if we win the AFC champ game. Unfortunately, neither one of them performed or executed to their abilities to do so.
[/quote]

You really need to get off your high horse and understand the distinction between blaming the refs for the loss and legitimate criticism of the officiating. The refs didn't lose the game for us, but the NFL has very serious problems with the quality of the officiating. This forum is a perfectly appropriate place to discuss the quality of the officiating.

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327513761' post='972701']
All these post and topics about blown calls/refs/ scoreboard really comes across as we're bunch of cry-babies. Regardless of all of those things that I just mentioned, we had 2 opportunities at the end of the game to score and we blew both of them. All you can ask for as a coach is the opportunity to win the game at the end when it matters. We had that and didn't capitalize.

It pains me as much as anyone on this forum that we lost. But stop blaming the refs. There never was or will be a referee's conspiracy to keep us from going to the Super Bowl. There were questionable calls on both sides, but none that could have affected the outcome of the game. The refs blew a call when they ruled that Gronk was out of bounds when he caught that sideline pass. He was actually in and that catch and 1st down could have easily resulted in a TD.

The coaches and players determine if we win the AFC champ game. Unfortunately, neither one of them performed or executed to their abilities to do so.
[/quote]
how are we cryin when they blew calls during the game? Really the is NFL supposed to make the teams earn their way to the super bowl, not give it to them! It doesnt mean we bitter, we want the game be played on a even field. Is that hard to ask. The Lee evans catch is a TOUCHDOWN! I seen touchdowns given for even less. So you can miss me with the whining bit.