Our Defensive Secondary

[bkirha1]

Which one are we?
The #1 Rated unit in the league going into today's game, or the old, overrated looking unit that scrubbed it up today?

McAlister looked good for the first few weeks, then today, I dunno

Ivy and Walker are looking like they play for Appalachian State.

Dont make the injury excuses. Its football, they happen, and they should be expected. Its how you deal with them that matters...

[Black&Purple]

The game today reminded me of last season when we played the Colts. Our secondary was banged up and gave up too many points last year, so what did our team do? We got good backups to avoid that issue again, and well I suppose it didn't matter...

[Lets_Go_Joe]

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[PuRock]

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[tweety]

If we had just one starter in the secondary not playing, yeah no excuse. But when 2 starting CB, 1 starting Safety, and an injured Safety is the case. I don't think most teams ever deal with this time of situation.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

IMO I think Ivy is too short to be covering WR, last year they kept picking on him and he did horrible! Yamon figurs looks scared and confused on kick return!

[bossman419]

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[neepo13]

Rex has to share some of the blame on this one. He didnt exactly put our players in the best position to make the plays. There is no way any of our DB's should have been covering Wayne 1 on 1. His blitzes were not working, so he should have adjusted and stopped sending 4 and 5 guys at him.

[Corvus]

I was all for us drafting a cornerback with our 1st pick this past draft. I really liked Antoine Cason specifically, and he is doing a great job as the Chargers' nickel back.

But we are where we are, with who we have and we just have to go with it. Frank Walker looked decent against the Titans but he looked bad this week obviously. Corey Ivy is a great open field tackler and he always plays with a lot of heart, but he has no business in man to man coverage and only showed that this week too. If Washington is out again this week, I'm all for trying Zbikowski and Nakamura in some coverage schemes.

[Bullrush]

Let's not hide behind injuries again. McAlister was perfectly fine yet the Colts abused him. Ivy or Frank Walker weren't the issue yesterday. Ed Reed is healthy but he was invisible, i'm sure he had something to do with all those bigplays. Rex Ryan deserves some of that blame, if not all.

[Sub-Zero]

we need to find someway to hide the weakness of the secondary as best as we can. if Belichick can find a way to stop the Colts with Troy Brown in the secondary, surely the genius of Rex Ryan can find out a way. I'm all for a bend but don't break approach until our secondary gets healthy.

[#1 D]

i think that we are all missing the presence of Landry. we only know how valuable he is when we lose him. Rolle's presence was also missed, but i mean he was a liability from the start of the season anyways.

[POE]

Chris has got to stop trying to jump every route that is thrown his way, especially against Manning. It is all good to try to make big plays and go for INT's but it was only a matter of time that he was going to get burned doing this. To blame the secondary is ridiculous though people, they were going against two very good WR's in Harrison and Wayne and had an outstanding QB throwing to them, while our pass rush was merely non-existent. We didn't get anybody on Manning and he had way too much time for his recievers to do what they did and for him to pass. We let the game get out of our hands before we could even get our game plan in motion and today it fell on the Defenses hands, but all is not lossed yet, it is still a long way to go and our next few games look promising..keep your heads up.

[PuRock]

[quote name='POE' post='75929' date='Oct 13 2008, 05:36 PM']Chris has got to stop trying to jump every route that is thrown his way, especially against Manning. It is all good to try to make big plays and go for INT's but it was only a matter of time that he was going to get burned doing this. To blame the secondary is ridiculous though people, they were going against two very good WR's in Harrison and Wayne and had an outstanding QB throwing to them, while our pass rush was merely non-existent. We didn't get anybody on Manning and he had way too much time for his recievers to do what they did and for him to pass. We let the game get out of our hands before we could even get our game plan in motion and today it fell on the Defenses hands, but all is not lossed yet, it is still a long way to go and our next few games look promising..keep your heads up.[/quote]

On that one touchdown, it looked like McAlister was expected Harrison to do one of his patented deep slants. McAlister took a glance back at the QB, and Harrision was gone.

[POE]

[quote name='PuRock' post='75931' date='Oct 13 2008, 05:37 PM']On that one touchdown, it looked like McAlister was expected Harrison to do one of his patented deep slants. McAlister took a glance back at the QB, and Harrision was gone.[/quote]

Thats exactly what I'm talking about he has lived and died by doing this. I'm not blaming the guy for a loss or getting burned all the time but if he would just play the ball or the receiver, or however you look at it, he would be so much better of a CB. He makes big plays sometimes by doing this but we have playmakers of his caliber all over this defense and with the way the O is playing and learning we need to play not to comeback. Him getting beat the way he did during this game is unexceptable when he can play much better without taking all the risks. If we just play shut down D the opposition will get desperate or inmpatient and then the turnovers will come, instead we try to force the issue with 70 blitzes a game and biting on pump fakes and all. I know we have played better D up to this game and would just like to see that D again and I feel confident that I will..Peyton and the Colts just seem to have our number right now.

[FerrariFan87]

The 1st two weeks we got excellent pressure on the QB, forcing errant throws, etc. which in turn made our secondary look better than it is. The past three weeks (without a significant pass rush, and down two starters in Rolle and Landry) we have looked just plain awful. The key to a good secondary is a good pass rush and we have dropped the ball in that area as of late, especially in crunch time....

Rolle and Landry, GET WELL SOON!!!

[POE]

I agree with you 100% Ferrari but the gameplan should have changed a little to adjust to the lack of the pass rush and our CB's need to do what they can and play the ball. Either way our D as whole got torched this week and all we can do is hope that we make those adjustments, learn from the mistakes, hope our players get well soon, stay way from the big plays and look to the next opponent.

[mpplaya07]

honestly why the defense starting sucking because our offense is struggling.. if your down 14 to nothing and your offense isnt doing anything.. would you feel motivated to go out and give your heart out knowing that offense is going to do nothing.. Our defense got mentally beat and couldn't recover..

[Perfekt]

if you ask any other fan in the league they will tell you defense is the 1st thing you think of when you think of the ravens (ok maybe ray lewis too). we are a much better team then we were yesterday. its in the past now so let move forward to the dolphins game. im hoping we look soild against them. and oh yea has anyone noticed we been getting the ball 1st most of the season?

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' post='75902' date='Oct 13 2008, 05:04 PM']IMO I think Ivy is too short to be covering WR, last year they kept picking on him and he did horrible! Yamon figurs looks scared and confused on kick return![/quote]
yeah ivey is too short he should just be in to blitz

[tctony]

[quote name='Corvus' post='75915' date='Oct 13 2008, 05:19 PM']Corey Ivy is a great open field tackler[/quote]

I just wanted to say: No, not at all. Anytime Corey Ivy comes on my tv screen, I yell about how much Corey Ivy sucks at tackling. He never, I mean never, wraps up. I can't even count how many tackles I've watched him miss.

The only good part of our secondary is our safeties, and thats hurting now with Landry out. The combo of Reed/Landry has gotta be top 3 in the league, if not #1.

CBs...not so much. CMac has been steadily declining for several years, and people don't want to admit it. Rolle has NEVER been good here. Aforementioned Corey Ivy is a bum. Frank Walker doesn't look too hot. I haven't seen too much of Washington.

I think we miss Adalius Thomas, who was actually able to drop into coverage and run with receivers.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

Adalius Thomas was a multi-position linebacker, and one of the best in the league at it. I wish we would've kept him. But, those are the breaks.

Does anyone know when Landry will return?

We need Rolle back soon...

Our secondary is going to be picked on as long as Fabian and Rolle are out. Although Frank Walker do fill in pretty decently for a third string CB.