Goodbye Boller

[berad]

You had me nodding my head and agreeing until you posted:

After the way the fans have treated Boller here, if he's smart, he'll take a pay cut to go ANYWHERE else.

Boller doesn't seem phased by some of the fans' opinions

I went to training camp last year, and people are stilling screaming for his autograph;

one lady said seem wanted to marry him

[DRayRaven]

Boller showed he was a lot better than Wright

not infinitesimally

A lot better?

Take a look at their stats!

Boller was 71.7 and Wright was 71.7.

That's a lot better?

Looks the same to me.

Rosenfels only played 1 full game,

and he lost in it

that's where Kyle's experience comes in, he can win games for us (Cleveland)

or at least come close (Carolina)

When was the last time Kyle Boller won a game on the road?

Could it be...2004 against the Jets?

Mista T said "Boller is performing as well or better than any other NFL backup QB"

which he is.

Then you try to counter him with QB ratings of guys who have only throw the ball 3 times?

you've got to be kidding me

You have to understand...MistaT is working from a pre-existing dislike for Steve McNair.

He thinks Kyle Boller should be our starter...and he's trying to toss off two games as an indication that Boller is better - nevermind his horrid performance previously.

Also, you try to bring in the 2 batted TDs to blast Boller

If you don't recall, McNair had a few of those;

- The New Orleans game, TD pass to Todd Heap

- The Oakland game, a ball bounced off Heap's hands and Mason caught it.

Yeah, but I'm not the one using freak plays to pimp a quarterback.

Do you want to compare McNair's stats last year to Boller's? Right after you blast me for comparing Boller to guys who threw three passes? Instead of looking at two games, why don't we look at Boller the last time he had a starting job?

As I said, coming in for limited time in a backup role is not the same as having the job full-time.

I don't even have to argue about this. Apparently, the coaches agree with me, because McNair is still our starter. McNair's career stats (and even his stats from last year) speak for themselves.

And how can you say we're done if McNair gets hurt?

Kyle has a near .500 record as a starter

See above regarding Boller's record on the road.

Furthermore, the Ravens have confidence in Boller,

and, if he's smart, Boller will take a pay cut to continue his play with the Ravens

No, they don't.

Otherwise, they wouldn't have signed McNair.

...and if they really had confidence in him, they'd work on getting a contract extension now. As it is, I doubt they will start those negotiations until he signs with another team.

[berad]

How can you say Wright is as good as Boller

as I see it, Boller was 4-5 in 05

and Wright was 2-5

those are the 2 most important stats

(Plus, Boller's QB rating was 71.8 not 71.7, i know it doesn't matter to you but..)

besides, Wright is somewhat of a journeyman QB now, playing for his 3rd NFL team in 3 years

And to Kyle's road struggles: how many did Wright win on the road in 2005?

0

Statistically, the Ravens have been a weak road team, Boller didn't start that tradition

Also, nobody is saying Boller should be our starter, at least I'm not.

I would choose McNair over him any day of the week.

but saying he is horrible and should be cut, that's a little excessive

and the Ravens still have confidence in Boller

Otherwise, they'd be looking for potential trades; when they can still get value for him

my bet, they're waiting for the end of the season for some vets to retire to free up cap room, then sign Boller

[DRayRaven]

as I see it, Boller was 4-5 in 05

and Wright was 2-5

those are the 2 most important stats

Don't you think the team has something to do with that win-loss record, or is it just the quarterback?

Do you think who the Ravens were playing might have anything to do with it?

Win/loss doesn't tell the story about how one specific player performed.

Stat-wise, Boller and Wright were nearly identical.

(Plus, Boller's QB rating was 71.8 not 71.7, i know it doesn't matter to you but..)

According to the ESPN stats I just looked at, they were both 71.7.

But I'll give you the 0.1...it doesn't make a difference.

And to Kyle's road struggles: how many did Wright win on the road in 2005?

0

Statistically, the Ravens have been a weak road team, Boller didn't start that tradition

It doesn't matter how many road games Wright won or lost. You're the one saying Boller's better.

According to the stats, he most definitely is not...and Boller's stats are particularly bad on the road.

Also, nobody is saying Boller should be our starter, at least I'm not.

I would choose McNair over him any day of the week.

but saying he is horrible and should be cut, that's a little excessive

I didn't say he should be cut.

I'm saying he shouldn't be re-signed when his contract is up.

I'll simply be glad when he's gone so we won't be having arguments about him anymore.

my bet, they're waiting for the end of the season for some vets to retire to free up cap room, then sign Boller

I'm betting they don't re-sign him at all.

Why would any FO wait for vets to retire so they can free up cap room for a backup quarterback?

That isn't a position you spend big bucks on.

[Bleed_Purple14]

Something that would add to the Goodbye Boller factor is that I heard from my friend the Ravens might go after Daunte Culpepper. Not sure about the amount of truth behind it, so it's just a rumor.

[berad]

Don't you think the team has something to do with that win-loss record, or is it just the quarterback?

Do you think who the Ravens were playing might have anything to do with it?

Win/loss doesn't tell the story about how one specific player performed.

I do think it was a factor

Seeing as how Wright couldn't beat Tennessee or Detroit, two bad teams

Boller lost to admirable teams, Jacksonville, Cincy, and Denver (close game)

his only slip up, Cleveland and at least that was close

Stat-wise, Boller and Wright were nearly identical.

According to the ESPN stats I just looked at, they were both 71.7.

But I'll give you the 0.1...it doesn't make a difference.

NFL.com says 71.8

and Boller had a much better TD:INT ratio, which I already pointed out

It doesn't matter how many road games Wright won or lost. You're the one saying Boller's better.

According to the stats, he most definitely is not...and Boller's stats are particularly bad on the road.

As stated earlier, Boller has better stats

The Ravens were a bad road team in 2005, no way around it.

It's not Boller's fault he was sacked 11 times in his 4 road game losses

It wasn't Wright's fault that he was sacked 12 in his 4 road games

Besides, QBs perform differently in different situations

Steve McNair is a much better road QB than a home QB

Road : 74.3 QB rating

Home : 88.3 QB rating

Why aren't you lambasting him?

I didn't say he should be cut.

I'm saying he shouldn't be re-signed when his contract is up.

I'll simply be glad when he's gone so we won't be having arguments about him anymore.

I'm betting they don't re-sign him at all.

You wouldn't want a more than capable back-up QB, who can win games for us?

Why would any FO wait for vets to retire so they can free up cap room for a backup quarterback?

That isn't a position you spend big bucks on.

We aren't going to spend "big bucks" on him.

The Ravens don't have big bucks, they won't even have little bucks when they sign their draft picks and work out Suggs' extension.

When a vet retires, salary cap room is freed-up, so we can resign players.

[DRayRaven]

I do think it was a factor

Seeing as how Wright couldn't beat Tennessee or Detroit, two bad teams

It's always a factor.

I don't even have to look at the stats to remember that penalty meltdown in Detroit.

NFL.com says 71.8

Fine. Boller was 0.135% better than Wright.

That's quite an accomplishment.

I guess that makes Wright the second best backup in the league.

and Boller had a much better TD:INT ratio, which I already pointed out

...and a worse completion percentage and more INTs per attempt.

The QB rating takes a lot of different stats into account and attempts to give a comprehensive evaluation of a QB's performance. As I said, Boller was 0.135% better than Wright.

Steve McNair is a much better road QB than a home QB

Road : 74.3 QB rating

Home : 88.3 QB rating

Why aren't you lambasting him?

Because his stats on the road are superior to Boller's.

You wouldn't want a more than capable back-up QB, who can win games for us?

Yes, I would...and that's why I don't want Boller.

We aren't going to spend "big bucks" on him.

The Ravens don't have big bucks, they won't even have little bucks when they sign their draft picks and work out Suggs' extension.

When a vet retires, salary cap room is freed-up, so we can resign players.

They are working on extending Suggs right now.

If they can do that, they certainly don't need to wait for anyone to retire in order to extend Boller...especially when you consider that no one will offer him a big contract when he hits the open market.

Besides, sometimes teams take a cap hit when a player retires.

[RavensQB]

I do think it was a factor

Seeing as how Wright couldn't beat Tennessee or Detroit, two bad teams

Boller lost to admirable teams, Jacksonville, Cincy, and Denver (close game)

his only slip up, Cleveland and at least that was close

NFL.com says 71.8

and Boller had a much better TD:INT ratio, which I already pointed out

As stated earlier, Boller has better stats

The Ravens were a bad road team in 2005, no way around it.

It's not Boller's fault he was sacked 11 times in his 4 road game losses

It wasn't Wright's fault that he was sacked 12 in his 4 road games

Besides, QBs perform differently in different situations

Steve McNair is a much better road QB than a home QB

Road : 74.3 QB rating

Home : 88.3 QB rating

Why aren't you lambasting him?

You wouldn't want a more than capable back-up QB, who can win games for us?

We aren't going to spend "big bucks" on him.

The Ravens don't have big bucks, they won't even have little bucks when they sign their draft picks and work out Suggs' extension.

When a vet retires, salary cap room is freed-up, so we can resign players.

Wow for being a MOD you sure can't look at the progression of his stats can you???

What was Boller completion % and his game play in the last 8 games played???

Hint: The % was better that McNair's. Also how many TD and INT in the last 8 games?

[DRayRaven]

Let's see...in his last 8 games as the starter in 2005, he put up:

a whopping 30.1 rating against Jacksonville, 0 TDs and 3 INTs

a 67.2 rating against Pittsburgh

a decent game against the Bengals, but he still threw 2 INTs

a 70.0 against the worst team in the league, the Texans...with a 51.5% completion rate

a 1 TD 2 INT performance against the Broncos for a 65.2 rating

2 great games against a horrible Packer team and a Viking team that was falling apart

...and a 31.2 rating against the Bumbling Browns, 2 INTs and a 41.7% completion rate.

Excuse me if I'm not impressed.

Oh, and by the way: Boller's completion percentage during his last 8 games as a starter was 57.8%.

McNair had a completion percentage of 63.0% in 2006.

Advantage: McNair

Even if you toss in Boller's 3 appearances in 2006, his completion percentage is still lower than McNair's.

On the road, Boller had a completion percentage of 53.6% over the last half of 2005.

McNair's completion percentage on the road last year was 63.7%.

That's one big reason the Ravens were able to win away from M & T last year...as opposed to their long drought with Boller at the helm.

[berad]

Because his stats on the road are superior to Boller's.

Boller has the better home performance, though.

In 05, 7 TDs, 3 INTs, 1044 yds

in only 5 games, including the Colts game where he got injured early

McNair in 06

4 TDs, 5 INTs. 1142 yds, 74.3 QB rating

granted that's basically 6 games, since he was injured early in 2 home games

which looks better?

QBs perform differently in different situations.

Stop bringing Kyle's road struggles into it

[berad]

Let's see...in his last 8 games as the starter in 2005, he put up:

a whopping 30.1 rating against Jacksonville, 0 TDs and 3 INTs

In his first game back, with no O-Line support

He made Jacked-Up that week

a 67.2 rating against Pittsburgh

A game in which we won on a Boller-led drive

a decent game against the Bengals, but he still threw 2 INTs

you don't even give him credit when he performs well

ON THE ROAD

a 70.0 against the worst team in the league, the Texans...with a 51.5% completion rate

with a rushing TD and a game-winning drive

2 great games against a horrible Packer team and a Viking team that was falling apart

Green Bay was the #1 Pass-D in the league in 05, Kyle threw a near perfect game against them

Also, the Vikings were on a hot streak, late in the season. They were on pace to make the playoffs.

Kyle performed well on two national showcase events and you still try and blame him.

Let's see...in his last 8 games as the starter in 2005, he put up:

a whopping 30.1 rating against Jacksonville, 0 TDs and 3 INTs

In his first game back, with no O-Line support

He made Jacked-Up that week

a 67.2 rating against Pittsburgh

A game in which we won

a decent game against the Bengals, but he still threw 2 INTs

you don't even give him credit when he performs well

ON THE ROAD

a 1 TD 2 INT performance against the Broncos for a 65.2 rating

In a closely contested game

ON THE ROAD

...and a 31.2 rating against the Bumbling Browns, 2 INTs and a 41.7% completion rate.

As stated earlier,

this was his only slip-up.

[DRayRaven]

In his first game back, with no O-Line support

He made Jacked-Up that week

Tell me...what is significantly different between the O-lines Boller and McNair played behind?

You mentioned awhile back that Boller being sacked so often isn't his fault.

That's not true. Watch McNair step up in the pocket and evade pressure.

Watch Boller run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

Same O-line, fewer sacks with McNair in the game.

you don't even give him credit when he performs well

ON THE ROAD

The Ravens lost the game, didn't they?

Wasn't my original statement that Boller hadn't won a road game since 2004?

...and he threw 2 INTs. Since one is a 81 QB rating "performing well?"

Well, I take that back: by Boller standards, I guess that's great.

Are we seriously comparing McNair and Boller now?

Give me a break...the Ravens went out and found someone to replace Boller.

That should tell you all you need to know.

A game in which we won

Yes, and we won despite Boller's horrible performance.

In a closely contested game

ON THE ROAD

Again, you want me to give him credit for a 65.2 QB rating performance?

Are we supposed to think that game was closely contested because of Boller?

Maybe it was...the Broncos would have been blown out if someone else had been our QB.

Boller has the better home performance, though.

The Ravens were 7-1 at home last year.

McNair did enough for the Ravens to win.

When Boller is on the road, he's no help to the rest of the team at all.

Stop bringing Kyle's road struggles into it

Why?

A team that can't win on the road won't get into the playoffs.

[berad]

Tell me...what is significantly different between the O-lines Boller and McNair played behind?

Let's see

new LG, new RT, new Offensive Coordinator

You mentioned awhile back that Boller being sacked so often isn't his fault.

That's not true. Watch McNair step up in the pocket and evade pressure.

Watch Boller run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

Same O-line, fewer sacks with McNair in the game.

McNair is also bigger and stronger

I never said Boller was better than McNair

That's not what this argument is about

The Ravens lost the game, didn't they?

Wasn't my original statement that Boller hadn't won a road game since 2004?

...and he threw 2 INTs. Since one is a 81 QB rating "performing well?"

Well, I take that back: by Boller standards, I guess that's great.

Are we seriously comparing McNair and Boller now?

Give me a break...the Ravens went out and found someone to replace Boller.

That should tell you all you need to know.

81 QB rating is an all-around solid game

he performed well, not great, not superb, just well

again, I'm saying Boller is better than McNair

Yes, and we won despite Boller's horrible performance.

We won off his game-winning drive

Again, you want me to give him credit for a 65.2 QB rating performance?

Are we supposed to think that game was closely contested because of Boller?

Maybe it was...the Broncos would have been blown out if someone else had been our QB.

Maybe the Broncos were just a better team

Maybe they were the top team in the AFC West

Maybe the Broncos have a scheme for us

Didn't we lose to them this year?

Why?

A team that can't win on the road won't get into the playoffs.

exactly my point,

the Ravens have been, historically, a bad road team

Boller didn't cause it

But now that we've found a QB who can win on the road,

we can keep a slightly faulted back-up

wouldn't you agree?

[DRayRaven]

Weren't you the one who started comparing Boller to McNair?

I'm glad you acknowledge McNair is better.

BTW...I'm not saying the Ravens should cut Boller now.

I'm saying he shouldn't be re-signed when his contract expires.

Boller is not a good quarterback. He's not even a good backup.

He's replaceable...and as Birdfan has pointed out countless times, he might not even want to stay here.

[berad]

Weren't you the one who started comparing Boller to McNair?

I'm glad you acknowledge McNair is better.

BTW...I'm not saying the Ravens should cut Boller now.

I'm saying he shouldn't be re-signed when his contract expires.

Boller is not a good quarterback. He's not even a good backup.

He's replaceable...and as Birdfan has pointed out countless times, he might not even want to stay here.

I compared their home stats

to show you that different QBs perform differently in different situations, I could compare him with other QBs and get the same result.

Boller may not be a great starting QB, but he is a good back-up QB

shown by his 104 QB rating

[berad]

and if Boller is replaceable, who would you replace him with?

[Mahatma_Sloth]

Drew Olson

Cullen Finnerty

Bradly Van Pelt (sorry i was at csu when he was playin)

a number of vetrens

[berad]

Which veterans?

The only ones that performed better then him this season (having throw more than 3 passes)

was Charlie Batch.

And I'll take the others you named as sarcasm.

[DRayRaven]

and if Boller is replaceable, who would you replace him with?

We'll see how Troy Smith comes along.

If he doesn't work out, we'll see who is available on the FA market.

Either way, any number of QBs could come in and out perform Boller.

[berad]

We'll see how Troy Smith comes along.

If he doesn't work out, we'll see who is available on the FA market.

Either way, any number of QBs could come in and out perform Boller.

any number?

I asked you to name one, available now.

and you can't give me it?

[DRayRaven]

I didn't say the Ravens should cut him right now...so I fail to see the point in a hypothetical backup QB search among the slim pickings that are available at the present moment. Your question proceeds from a false premise.

I've given you my answer. The Ravens have already said they have hopes Smith will develop into a solid #2 (that should be a hint to anyone wondering if the Ravens will re-sign Boller). If Smith isn't the answer, we'll see who shakes loose on the FA market.

Carr, Harrington, and any number of second stringers have a history of out-performing Boller...or at least performing at a comparable level. As I said, he's replaceable. That's true of anyone whose best QB rating is a 71.7. One or two points in either direction is almost a distinction without a difference.

[berad]

Why replace Boller with someone who doesn't know the system?

It seems counter-intuitive to do so.

It's not like he'll want 5 mil a year

[Tiz]

Drew Olson

Cullen Finnerty

Bradly Van Pelt (sorry i was at csu when he was playin)

a number of vetrens

I watched BVP play in a few preseason games here in Denver and really was hoping he'd get to take over for Jake...BVP is a bigger stronger version of Jake and that's without getting all the coaching that a #1 QB would get. I really think if given the chance he'd develop nicely, however, major injury aside he won't be given that chance in Houston this year either.

[Tiz]

I didn't say the Ravens should cut him right now...so I fail to see the point in a hypothetical backup QB search among the slim pickings that are available at the present moment. Your question proceeds from a false premise.

I've given you my answer. The Ravens have already said they have hopes Smith will develop into a solid #2 (that should be a hint to anyone wondering if the Ravens will re-sign Boller). If Smith isn't the answer, we'll see who shakes loose on the FA market.

Carr, Harrington, and any number of second stringers have a history of out-performing Boller...or at least performing at a comparable level. As I said, he's replaceable. That's true of anyone whose best QB rating is a 71.7. One or two points in either direction is almost a distinction without a difference.

Too many Tedford products in one sentence, man this is the end of days for sure!!!

[Mahatma_Sloth]

Which veterans?

The only ones that performed better then him this season (having throw more than 3 passes)

was Charlie Batch.

And I'll take the others you named as sarcasm.

lol how about cordell stewert

[Mahatma_Sloth]

I watched BVP play in a few preseason games here in Denver and really was hoping he'd get to take over for Jake...BVP is a bigger stronger version of Jake and that's without getting all the coaching that a #1 QB would get. I really think if given the chance he'd develop nicely, however, major injury aside he won't be given that chance in Houston this year either.

HELL YA!!! BVP!! I traded boller for him on madden and made him a lvl 99 overall! He was the destroyer!! im a fan for sure, the guy plays hard! his first play in regular season he ran it for an 11 yrd td!!!! That was sick!!!

[Cartoon_Cartooon]

lol old post....but arent u glad we kept him now....if we didnt who knows where this team would be at right now

[Sam]

I don't think they will resign Boller when his contract runs out after the season.

You guys do know they resigned Boller to another year earlier this year r ight?? He is a Raven through next year. I for one & happy for that! Yje kid has never had a decent shot with experience, receivers, & an O-line. We need to give him a good shot - especially with "wheel char" McNair playing like he is.

[Cartoon_Cartooon]

You guys do know they resigned Boller to another year earlier this year r ight?? He is a Raven through next year. I for one & happy for that! Yje kid has never had a decent shot with experience, receivers, & an O-line. We need to give him a good shot - especially with "wheel char" McNair playing like he is.

notice it was an old post lol yea but good thing we resigned him

[Sam]

Dude I am a PSL holder and have been watching football before you were in your Dad's sack.

I also know that QB is the most scrutinized position in the NFL, and most fans can't tell a good QB from bad one to start with. Any NFL QB can look good with a decent line, good running back and receivers. Of which Kyle had one each, in Ogden, Jamal and Heap. Tough to be a winner, when that is all you got to work with, as far as tripping, he had help several of those times by big-foot Flynn. Don't bet the farm on Troy just yet, if memory serves me not to many Heisman winners amount to squat in the NFL.

I agree - & some people have not seen the Baltimore Sun poll where 88% want Boller to start over McNair. GO BOLLER!