Goodbye Boller

[RavensQB]

Eric Decosta spoke to Nest 1 tonight and I asked him, who's decision was it to start Boller in his first game - Billick's or the owner. He paused for a moment and said that's a good question. I really don't know.

So if a high ranking officer doesn't know, and he was there at the time, than we don't know. Maybe he just didn't want to say but the look in his eyes said he doesn't know.

That makes this entire argument moot.

You guys can believe what you want and I can believe what I want but nobody knows for sure, not even the Director of Personnel.

But of course you know right.....

[Purple Reaction]

Let's all just PREY every night before bed that Mr. Prettyboy is cut this year nuff sed thanks

Why the hate, Boller has been crapped on by the fans in this town since he got here.

This guy was thrown to the wolves with a crap offensive line, crap receivers and when

he didn't become Johnny Unitas after his first season, all he did was get bashed and

cheered when he got injured. This guy has shown more class and guts than any other

QB we have had in Baltimore since Bert Jones. Give the guy a break, I can only hope

that if he does get cut and makes all you Boller haters happy, he comes back with another

team and cleans our clock. This guy not once has complained about anything, has never

gotten into any notable trouble and gives his all to win on the field.

I'll take Boller over any backup in the NFL right now, just my opinion, but I am

sticking with it. He will be back to lead the Raven's some day, I am sure of it.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

Why the hate, Boller has been crapped on by the fans in this town since he got here.

This guy was thrown to the wolves with a crap offensive line, crap receivers and when

he didn't become Johnny Unitas after his first season, all he did was get bashed and

cheered when he got injured. This guy has shown more class and guts than any other

QB we have had in Baltimore since Bert Jones. Give the guy a break, I can only hope

that if he does get cut and makes all you Boller haters happy, he comes back with another

team and cleans our clock. This guy not once has complained about anything, has never

gotten into any notable trouble and gives his all to win on the field.

I'll take Boller over any backup in the NFL right now, just my opinion, but I am

sticking with it. He will be back to lead the Raven's some day, I am sure of it.

Redman was a heart breaker and left us fans with a bad taste in our mouths. It's like a comic going on after a comic that sux he gets a tough crowd. I agree in that he has untaped potential. He kinda reminds me of Plummer with a big arm.

[Marc2k6]

You can say what you want about K.B. but he was not put into a good situation after being drafted by US. He did not have a chance to sit on the sideline and learn the position of QB on the Pro level. He was just thrown to the wolves. Look at the college he came from. How was he to step into the Pros and command an offense? Now how we drafted him in the first round and Troy Smith in the fifth round with the last pick is beyond me. I think it should have been the other way around, but that is neither here nor there. K.B. is tough and he will take his shots down field. I know all of the complaints, he is still a RAVEN.

[Khaine]

I get a little twitchy every time he throws a long one

[AKresh]

If you think that cutting a backup QB who is 19-18 as an NFL starter (for the Ravens, so he knows our offense very well), for an rookie QB who has taken ZERO snaps in the NFL, I have no respect what so ever for your opinion. It is clear that anyone who thinks that is the correct move is either a moron, or oblivious to how the NFL works.

McNair IS injury prone. Not only has he had his share of injuries over the years, but he is 34 years old, and like ANY quarterback in the league, he is one hit away from his career being over. KB knows the ravens system as well, if not better than, McNair. Anyone who feels that a backup QB who has started 30+ games in his career should be cut to make way for a rookie 5th round draft pick is clearly out of their mind. There are not many things more important than a solid back up QB in the NFL, especially for competitive teams. Look at Philly last year!

Now, I am definately not saying I don't think Troy Smith can make it in the NFL, and as a Ravens fan I hope he does, but when in comes to winning games THIS season, Boller gives us a much better chance.

Keep in mind that Boller was mishandled by our front office from day 1, and has shown flashes of brightness. Boller was thrown onto the field with a below average OL and a bunch of WR scrubs as a rookie, and has been hated on since day 1. Very few rookies would have suceeded given that situation. It seems now that a lot of the Ravens fan base WANT Boller to fail for some reason. I am one of the few (it seems) who feels that Boller will be successful in the NFL. I hope this can happen with the Ravens, but unfortunately becuase of how he has been treated in Baltimore, it probably will not be.

Whether or not you think Boller will be sucessful in the future is not the point. The point is that in 2007, this season, Boller gives us the best chance to win hands down.

[Reed_4_President]

Why the hate, Boller has been crapped on by the fans in this town since he got here.

This guy was thrown to the wolves with a crap offensive line, crap receivers and when

he didn't become Johnny Unitas after his first season, all he did was get bashed and

cheered when he got injured. This guy has shown more class and guts than any other

QB we have had in Baltimore since Bert Jones. Give the guy a break, I can only hope

that if he does get cut and makes all you Boller haters happy, he comes back with another

team and cleans our clock. This guy not once has complained about anything, has never

gotten into any notable trouble and gives his all to win on the field.

I'll take Boller over any backup in the NFL right now, just my opinion, but I am

sticking with it. He will be back to lead the Raven's some day, I am sure of it.

WOW you must not watch the Ravens then... It's very clear why most fans cant stand Boller anymore or want him around. How many years must he have to prove himself? (Oh yeah and his tripping over his shoelaces almost 1 snap per game he started) hes sucked since day 1 and still makes millions let the guy go already we have Troy Smith the next McNair.

[berad]

Whether or not you think Boller will be sucessful in the future is not the point. The point is that in 2007, this season, Boller gives us the best chance to win hands down.

You mean besides McNair?

[AKresh]

You mean besides McNair?

Yes, I was talking about the back up qb role

[Purple Reaction]

WOW you must not watch the Ravens then... It's very clear why most fans cant stand Boller anymore or want him around. How many years must he have to prove himself? (Oh yeah and his tripping over his shoelaces almost 1 snap per game he started) hes sucked since day 1 and still makes millions let the guy go already we have Troy Smith the next McNair.

Dude I am a PSL holder and have been watching football before you were in your Dad's sack.

I also know that QB is the most scrutinized position in the NFL, and most fans can't tell a good QB from bad one to start with. Any NFL QB can look good with a decent line, good running back and receivers. Of which Kyle had one each, in Ogden, Jamal and Heap. Tough to be a winner, when that is all you got to work with, as far as tripping, he had help several of those times by big-foot Flynn. Don't bet the farm on Troy just yet, if memory serves me not to many Heisman winners amount to squat in the NFL.

[DdaddyD]

Not to put up more argument on a sufficiently pomelled horse,

but on the off chance a player or coach happens on to this thread....

I just want to weigh in as one who belives that in the fullness

of time, Kyle Boller will be a top shelf NFL QB.

It is against natural law that anyone who has taken so many lumps

shouldn't enjoy some smooth sailing.

Any who has swallowed so much garbage should get his just dessert.

[Reed_4_President]

Dude I am a PSL holder and have been watching football before you were in your Dad's sack.

I also know that QB is the most scrutinized position in the NFL, and most fans can't tell a good QB from bad one to start with. Any NFL QB can look good with a decent line, good running back and receivers. Of which Kyle had one each, in Ogden, Jamal and Heap. Tough to be a winner, when that is all you got to work with, as far as tripping, he had help several of those times by big-foot Flynn. Don't bet the farm on Troy just yet, if memory serves me not to many Heisman winners amount to squat in the NFL.

You "STAY" with Boller I'm just sorry for ya waste of time to even watch him when he gets on the field need to pop like 4 valuim just to relax anything is possible with him he will either fumble the ball, trips over his feet, or throws a pick.. just never know what to expect. Oh yeah once and a blue moon he may throw a td.

[berad]

You "STAY" with Boller I'm just sorry for ya waste of time to even watch him when he gets on the field need to pop like 4 valuim just to relax anything is possible with him he will either fumble the ball, trips over his feet, or throws a pick.. just never know what to expect. Oh yeah once and a blue moon he may throw a td.

it seems like you're more of a Boller Hater than a Ravens fan

[Reed_4_President]

it seems like you're more of a Boller Hater than a Ravens fan

Whatever you think makes you feel better do it

[theFRANCHISE]

Not to put up more argument on a sufficiently pomelled horse,

but on the off chance a player or coach happens on to this thread....

I just want to weigh in as one who belives that in the fullness

of time, Kyle Boller will be a top shelf NFL QB.

It is against natural law that anyone who has taken so many lumps

shouldn't enjoy some smooth sailing.

Any who has swallowed so much garbage should get his just dessert.

I agree. Not necessarily with the part where he'll be a "top-shelf" NFL QB, but still a sufficient one, regardless. I still stand by my previous remarks, but I don't believe he's as bad as everyone has made him out to be. He's just been a victim of circumstance, really. Again, being thrown in the fire will do that to anyone.

I can't believe this topic has gone on for as long as it has, though...kinda saddens me in a way, that one person can have so much criticism heaped upon them, with the same justification repeated, but no real resolution...

[I Bleed Purple]

Honestly, as good of an idea as it may be to trade Boller NOW, I don't think there's any team that's currently interested in acquiring him when they can simply wait it out another year and grab him in free agency, if they really want him that badly...

Plus, there's no team that comes to mind that has a real QB need anymore...maybe a couple that might need a solid back-up, but not one that would give up a draft pick or a player for Boller...

Ok so there are several teams that could use a decent...not great...backup

First and foremost Miami can anyone name their starter?

I know that they are trying to get Trent Green but that may not even happen then what?

oakland could also use a decent backup to a rookie qb.

who backs up texas?

Im not saying we should throw boler away but if we can get a good trade for him and he can go somewhere he may stay for a while why not release him?

Hey anyone know why my troy smith fathead is cheaper? Oh yeah less material

He will do well in this leage mark my words

[berad]

Ok so there are several teams that could use a decent...not great...backup

First and foremost Miami can anyone name their starter?

I know that they are trying to get Trent Green but that may not even happen then what?

It will happen, but much like McNair, later in the offseason

oakland could also use a decent backup to a rookie qb.

They already have Josh McCown and Andrew Walter, 2 capable back-ups

who backs up texas?

Sage Rosenfels was a good back-up for them last year, they also got Jared Zabransky(Boise St. QB)

Im not saying we should throw boler away but if we can get a good trade for him and he can go somewhere he may stay for a while why not release him?

Hey anyone know why my troy smith fathead is cheaper? Oh yeah less material

He will do well in this leage mark my words

The Vikings are the only other team that vaguely needs a QB

Don't hold your breath on a Boller trade.

It likely won't happen.

[OSUFAN]

Hello all,

I am an Ohio State fan. I live in Columbus. I attended The Ohio State University. I just want you guys to know what a great guy Troy Smith is. I was at going to class one day and there was a huge mob of fans trying to get autographs from players. I'm handicapped and in a wheelchair so I could not get through the crowd. As a matter of fact I was almost knocked out of my chair. I was getting ready to leave because I had no chance of getting through the crowd.Thats when I hear someone say hey man don't leave just yet.I looked up and there was Troy. He shook my hand and signed my ball and jersey. He also apologized for the way the other fans acted. I tell you that because he is a total gentelman. He is a class act and I think you guys are damn lucky to have him.

I know a lot of you guys think that his height will keep him down and that since so many other teams passed on him he must be bad. This guy has been put down and passed on most of his athletic carreer only to prove everyone wrong and shine.So to the non believers keep putting him down because it only makes this guy try harder.As for the people that point out the championship game. Please remember that they were off for 51 days.That would take a toll on any team. Hell Florida was off for 39,but got two more games in. Thats what I hate about college football. It would have been a different game a week or two after the Michigan game. Think of how different the Super Bowl would be if both teams played almost 2 monthes after their last playoff game and one of those teams gets 2 extra games.

Troy Smith is a class guy and deserves to be given a chance. He now has that chance and I hope he proves some of you wrong. Thanks for listening.....

[Ravensfan23]

Troy is doing well so far in camp, he had another pretty good day in camp today. Also Ray Lewis says he a huge fan of Troy Smith so i think he will be fine in baltimore lol

[BigD]

I would not count Boller out yet unless he is pissed being 2nd string. I don't think he can really be marketed to other teams based on his pass performance.

[vernon2]

I'm not saying he'll be bad

But give him a few more years.

The same goes for Boller.

Boller has had his oppurtunties, it is time for him to be cut or traded. He is a dud, atleast for us, I wish him all the luck in the future but it is time for him to move on. Troy Smith should be a good backup, he can't be worse then Boller

[berad]

Boller has had his oppurtunties, it is time for him to be cut or traded. He is a dud, atleast for us, I wish him all the luck in the future but it is time for him to move on. Troy Smith should be a good backup, he can't be worse then Boller

Troy Smith can't be worse than a 104 QB rating?

I think he could be A LOT worse

[Mista T]

Troy Smith can't be worse than a 104 QB rating?

I think he could be A LOT worse

That is right on the point.

Boller is performing as well or better than any other NFL backup QB, and many other starters. Troy Smith is facing long odds to even make it in the NFL, much less become a starter: a 6-footer passed over by 31 other NFL teams 4 or 5 times. I doubt that Troy Smith will ever attain a 104 QB rating, if he even gets the opportunity to shoot for one.

The only viable option I see to Boller would be Culpepper, but that's not likely to happen due to $$$ and injury concern.

[DRayRaven]

Boller is performing as well or better than any other NFL backup QB

Not true.

From the other board, here is a list of backup QBs from last year with QB ratings higher than Boller (credit goes to shnitker):

Vinny Testaverde - 137.5

AJ Feeley - 122.9

Charlie Batch - 121.0

Anthony Wright - 109.7

Kyle Boller - 104.0

Even Sage Rosenfels had a 103.0.

No coach or GM in the league would look at Boller's numbers from last year and conclude he's starting material any more than Sage Rosenfels, AJ Feeley, or Anthony Wright. We could even do better than Boller in a backup role, considering that his numbers are inflated because Mark Clayton made amazing plays on bad Boller passes that had been batted 20 feet into the air (yeah, that was planned).

I can practically guarantee Troy Smith will be on the roster next year. He's also the odds on favorite to be McNair's backup in 2008.

[berad]

Not true.

From the other board, here is a list of backup QBs from last year with QB ratings higher than Boller (credit goes to shnitker):

Vinny Testaverde - 137.5

AJ Feeley - 122.9

Charlie Batch - 121.0

Anthony Wright - 109.7

Kyle Boller - 104.0

Even Sage Rosenfels had a 103.0.

No coach or GM in the league would look at Boller's numbers from last year and conclude he's starting material any more than Sage Rosenfels, AJ Feeley, or Anthony Wright. We could even do better than Boller in a backup role, considering that his numbers are inflated because Mark Clayton made amazing plays on bad Boller passes that had been batted 20 feet into the air (yeah, that was planned).

I can practically guarantee Troy Smith will be on the roster next year. He's also the odds on favorite to be McNair's backup in 2008.

HAHAHA

wow

Testaverde : only 3 attempts, 2 completions, one of those was a TD

Feeley: Threw 17 less passes than Boller, all TDs came in 1 game

Wright: 3 attempts, 3 completions

Out of all those, only Batch played better than Boller

Rosenfels is comparable to Boller, although Boller has much more experience

[superd]

Boller Has been bailed out of bad throws by many great catches. He did decent as the backup. The best I think I've ever seen him. But he just doesn't seem like a full time guy.

[DRayRaven]

berad, Boller has shown by direct comparison that he is only infinitesimally better than Anthony Wright.

Testaverde's worst year as a starter came two years ago, and he still posted better stats than Boller best year.

In addition, isn't funny that with all this "experience" that makes Boller invaluable as our backup, he can barely outperform Sage Rosenfels? Please.

Besides, I've seen T make this lame argument about Boller's stats as a backup countless times. Anyone with any football knowledge at all knows that backup stats aren't a reliable indicator of whether or not someone might make a good starting QB. The league's history is replete with guys who came in and lit it up when the starter was hurt, only to bomb out when finally named as the starter.

Other than those two batted balls Clayton made plays on, Boller looked like the same guy we've been watching for the past three years. Erratic, panicky in the pocket, staring down receivers, tripping over his own feet, and prone to mistakes. Not to mention the way he consistently leads his receivers straight into defenders. Do you think it's a coincidence that nearly every week a Ravens receiver was featured on the "Jacked Up' segment when Boller was the Ravens starter?

If McNair gets seriously hurt this year, the Ravens are royally screwed...make no mistake about it. Good luck winning a road game, and you might as well kiss the playoffs goodbye. All Kyle is good for is mop-up work and kneeling on the ball to run the clock out.

Boller has one year on his contract, and the likelihood that the Ravens will retain him is slim at best. In fact, I can't remember a single instance of a team spending a first round pick on a QB and then re-signing him to be their backup when his contract expired. Ozzie and Billick aren't giving Boller time to learn under McNair...they're just biding their time until they have someone to fill his spot. He'll be holding a clipboard somewhere else next year. Frankly, I can't wait.

[Mista T]

If McNair gets seriously hurt this year, the Ravens are royally screwed...make no mistake about it. Good luck winning a road game, and you might as well kiss the playoffs goodbye. All Kyle is good for is mop-up work and kneeling on the ball to run the clock out.

Oh, puh-lease!

Tell us about McNair's performances under the lights (home or road). He singlehandedly cost us the playoff loss against the Colts, after the Defense had played its heart out. His two interceptions were pathetic, especially the 4th Q TD telegraphed to the Colt defender and poorly thrown by McNair's weak right arm. He's not quite over the hill, but approaching it. Certainly, he's no better than Elvis Grbac or Anthony Wright when it comes to winning the big games, but with a weaker arm than either.

Hate on Boller all you want -- I'd be happier seeing him get a chance in the big games. He really can't do any worse.

With the declining McNair, an NFL Europe average QB, a Div II rookie, and an undersized Heisman Trophy winner, I do not like the way our QB situation is headed in 2008. We could easly be back to the junk-yard heap mode of 1999.

Some who hate on Boller may be missing him next year if the FO listens to the sports show call-in and meassge board whiners and runs him out of town.

[berad]

berad, Boller has shown by direct comparison that he is only infinitesimally better than Anthony Wright.

Testaverde's worst year as a starter came two years ago, and he still posted better stats than Boller best year.

In addition, isn't funny that with all this "experience" that makes Boller invaluable as our backup, he can barely outperform Sage Rosenfels? Please.

Besides, I've seen T make this lame argument about Boller's stats as a backup countless times. Anyone with any football knowledge at all knows that backup stats aren't a reliable indicator of whether or not someone might make a good starting QB. The league's history is replete with guys who came in and lit it up when the starter was hurt, only to bomb out when finally named as the starter.

Other than those two batted balls Clayton made plays on, Boller looked like the same guy we've been watching for the past three years. Erratic, panicky in the pocket, staring down receivers, tripping over his own feet, and prone to mistakes. Not to mention the way he consistently leads his receivers straight into defenders. Do you think it's a coincidence that nearly every week a Ravens receiver was featured on the "Jacked Up' segment when Boller was the Ravens starter?

If McNair gets seriously hurt this year, the Ravens are royally screwed...make no mistake about it. Good luck winning a road game, and you might as well kiss the playoffs goodbye. All Kyle is good for is mop-up work and kneeling on the ball to run the clock out.

Boller has one year on his contract, and the likelihood that the Ravens will retain him is slim at best. In fact, I can't remember a single instance of a team spending a first round pick on a QB and then re-signing him to be their backup when his contract expired. Ozzie and Billick aren't giving Boller time to learn under McNair...they're just biding their time until they have someone to fill his spot. He'll be holding a clipboard somewhere else next year. Frankly, I can't wait.

Did you forget the 2005 season?

Boller showed he was a lot better than Wright

not infinitesimally

need I remind you Wright went 2-5 as a starter, throwing 9 INTs to 6 TDs

Boller went 4-5, throwing 11 TDs to 12 INTs

Rosenfels only played 1 full game,

and he lost in it

that's where Kyle's experience comes in, he can win games for us (Cleveland)

or at least come close (Carolina)

Mista T said "Boller is performing as well or better than any other NFL backup QB"

which he is.

Then you try to counter him with QB ratings of guys who have only throw the ball 3 times?

you've got to be kidding me

Also, you try to bring in the 2 batted TDs to blast Boller

If you don't recall, McNair had a few of those;

- The New Orleans game, TD pass to Todd Heap

- The Oakland game, a ball bounced off Heap's hands and Mason caught it.

I'm not saying McNair is a bad QB, I'm just saying that those plays occur with any QB

And how can you say we're done if McNair gets hurt?

Kyle has a near .500 record as a starter

Furthermore, the Ravens have confidence in Boller,

and, if he's smart, Boller will take a pay cut to continue his play with the Ravens

[Guest Birdfan]

You had me nodding my head and agreeing until you posted:

if he's smart, Boller will take a pay cut to continue his play with the Ravens

After the way the fans have treated Boller here, if he's smart, he'll take a pay cut to go ANYWHERE else.