Michael Oher

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The Michael Oher check list:

Tie for 3rd place in most penalties among all Tackles with 11 ✔

Tie for 6th in most sacks allowed among all Tackles with 10 ✔

Finish 3rd worst in pressures allowed among all Tackles with 43 ✔


A very disappointing season for the RT. He has to shore up his defficiencies if intends to stick around. Meanwhile, I'd like to see some healthy competition from Jah Reid.

[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327295502' post='967613']
What do we do about this guy? He is horrible in pass protection. Just terrible. And he doesn't do enough in the run to make up for it.

Time to move on from him? I vote yes.
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And replace him with whom? You forget that Grubbsy is up for a new deal. Don't forget, unless we hit OL in the draft again, we've only got Reid and Gurode as depth.

fly, you say sign a FA....we don't know who's going to be out there and if any of them are Ravens quality...besides aren't we already bumping close to the cap as it is?

Losing Birk to possible retirement....Grubbs to possible FA, and then letting Oher go on top of it? Asinine imo.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1327335096' post='968686']
The Michael Oher check list:

Tie for 3rd place in most penalties among all Tackles with 11 ✔

Tie for 6th in most sacks allowed among all Tackles with 10 ✔

Finish 3rd worst in pressures allowed among all Tackles with 43 ✔


A very disappointing season for the RT. He has to shore up his defficiencies if intends to stick around. Meanwhile, I'd like to see some healthy competition from Jah Reid.
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My god he's worse than I thought. I figured he was at least average. Of course, could you bring up other tackles that play in the AFC North? Are they high on the list, meaning is it a product of dealing with tough defenses of division rivals or does Oher really just suck?

[izvoodoo]

I'm pretty sure we'll stick him at guard to replace grubbs, Draft a center and put reid at RT. Not sure about future LT though.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1327335096' post='968686']The Michael Oher check list:

Tie for 3rd place in most penalties among all Tackles with 11 ✔

Tie for 6th in most sacks allowed among all Tackles with 10 ✔

Finish 3rd worst in pressures allowed among all Tackles with 43 ✔


A very disappointing season for the RT. He has to shore up his defficiencies if intends to stick around. Meanwhile, I'd like to see some healthy competition from Jah Reid.[/quote]


what's sickening is that he has given up 6th most sacks as a RT. Thats just bad.

So he cant block, is undisciplined and not very intelligent.

People are so opposed to this idea why exactly?,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327334644' post='968654']


What does a 29 year old Ogden have to do with replacing a mediocre RT like Oher?
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Right now the only guy out there is Demetrius Bell. There are a lot of guards, which we don't need. All the available centers are either too old or system centers like Green Bay's who just aren't strong enough IMO to stand up to what we have here.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327335870' post='968746']

Right now the only guy out there is Demetrius Bell. There are a lot of guards, which we don't need. All the available centers are either too old or system centers like Green Bay's who just aren't strong enough IMO to stand up to what we have here.
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Draft is always a good option. I'm very confident there's plenty of better options available coming out of college.

[chesapeakeaviator]

Ironically, other than Bell (who I can't imagine the Bills letting go), the only real starting-caliber OT in FA this year is... Jared Gaither. Gotta love good irony.

Jeff Backus will also be available, but he's 35, so unlikely. And Max Starks? Let's just hope we don't even try that one.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327335684' post='968730']

My god he's worse than I thought. I figured he was at least average. Of course, could you bring up other tackles that play in the AFC North? Are they high on the list, meaning is it a product of dealing with tough defenses of division rivals or does Oher really just suck?
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Joe Thomas is the best OT in the league. Whitworth is damn good too.

Oher just sucks.

[grantkyle2003]

I give him one more season to too see him over a 3 season stretch. If he does horrible again then hes gone ia trade or cut.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327335684' post='968730']

My god he's worse than I thought. I figured he was at least average. Of course, could you bring up other tackles that play in the AFC North? Are they high on the list, meaning is it a product of dealing with tough defenses of division rivals or does Oher really just suck?
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He's fared worse than I thought as well. Absolutely.

LT Andrew Whitworth - 3 sacks, 3 QB hits and 16 pressures allowed, with 8 penalties
RT Andre Smith - 3 sacks, 8 QB hits and 17 pressures allowed, with 8 penatlies (Missed 2 games)

LT Joe Thomas - 3 sacks, 3 QB hits and 15 pressures allowed, with 9 penalties
RT Tony Pashos - 7 sacks, 0 QB hits, and 15 pressures allowed, with 6 penalties (Missed 4 games)

Max Starks - 6 sacks, 7 QB hits, and 20 pressures allowed, with 5 penalties (Missed 3 games)
Marcus Gilbert - 9 sacks, 2 QB hits, and 15 pressures allowed, with 6 penalties (Missed 1 game)

I'll make a note that it doesn't say whether they are a byproduct of simply getting beat, being coverage sacks, or the QB holding on to the ball. Either way, his numbers don't look any better in comparison.

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327335728' post='968735']



what's sickening is that he has given up 6th most sacks as a RT. Thats just bad.

So he cant block, is undisciplined and not very intelligent.

People are so opposed to this idea why exactly?,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Couldn't agree more with the point about RT. I'd prefer for us to give him a chance to prove himself in Training Camp, but I would be a big fan of at least exploring other options.

[flynismo]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1327335471' post='968715']

And replace him with whom? You forget that Grubbsy is up for a new deal. Don't forget, unless we hit OL in the draft again, we've only got Reid and Gurode as depth.

fly, you say sign a FA....we don't know who's going to be out there and if any of them are Ravens quality...besides aren't we already bumping close to the cap as it is?

Losing Birk to possible retirement....Grubbs to possible FA, and then letting Oher go on top of it? Asinine imo.
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Actually I want to draft his replacement -- picking up a FA is just another option to check out.

We know Birk is likely gonna retire. We may lose Grubbs to FA --- but those things have nothing to do with upgrading Oher. We should not latch on to such a mediocre player just because other players may be gone. Those other guys (Birk, Grubbs) leaving would open up cap room to make necessary replacements.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327295679' post='967627']
PS - dont even get me started on the flags he collects
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Penalty magnet....SMH

[Tatelli]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1327295769' post='967636']
He needs to actually play to the whistle. He looks lazy and defeated too much. No mean streak at all.
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I agree with this ^^^

Maybe we should be looking at our O line coach.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1327337133' post='968827']
Penalty magnet....SMH
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the fact that he went a few games without a flag midseason makes the fact that he ranked 3rd in penalties even worse. I dont think people fully appreciate how undisciplined he is.

[ghost1986]

I voted no, but it was hard to do so. I really wish they had never made a movie on him. And the biggest joke of all is last night when I was on Netflix looking for movies to add to my queue, The Blindside was #1 on their top 100 movies list. I was like "If people were stuck with watching him for entire seasons like we have been, that movie wouldn't even be in the top 100 let alone #1" He's almost as bad with false starts as Orlando Brown was. Maybe even worse. But like someone said, we're stuck with him due to the questions of Birk (who said he's probably going to retire) and Grubbs. I think he needs to lose some weight and put on some muscle. He made too many nobody's look like somebody's yesterday. In fact he did that most of the season.

[Moderator 3]

I like his versatility, though. We have moved him from LT (college) to RT, to LT, back to RT. He's hung in there and played 'okay' on both ends. That is not an easy thing to do as the footwork is totally different.

[GrimCoconut]

If we trade him, I won't be upset. I like Jah Reid. We also have Ramon Harewood. He's been on IR two years running, and I'm not too sure how legitimate those injuries are.

Hollywood or False Start needs to go. I'm a little tired of him now. I thought he would do better on the right, but he still struggles even there.

If we got a 1st or a 2nd round pick for him, I would take that faster than it took for Evans to drop that TD.

[Romo Ravens]

I was saying during the game yesterday that we should trade him lol. He isn't playing very good, but I'll see how fares next year. Something needs to be done though with this offensive line. Our bookends are backups at best

[flynismo]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1327340473' post='968990']
If we got a 1st or a 2nd round pick for him, I would take that [b]faster than it took for Evans to drop that TD.[/b]
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lmao ... a little too soon for that

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1327340845' post='969002']
I was saying during the game yesterday that we should trade him lol. He isn't playing very good, but I'll see how fares next year. Something needs to be done though with this offensive line. Our bookends are backups at best
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As a whole, I was pleasantly surprised by McKinney...he didn't suck nearly as bad as I thought he would, and even played well at times. But no doubt, a franchise LT should be this team's #1 priority heading into the draft. Maybe trade our 1st and Oher to move up and grab Matt Kalil?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1327336589' post='968790']

He's fared worse than I thought as well. Absolutely.

LT Andrew Whitworth - 3 sacks, 3 QB hits and 16 pressures allowed, with 8 penalties
RT Andre Smith - 3 sacks, 8 QB hits and 17 pressures allowed, with 8 penatlies (Missed 2 games)

LT Joe Thomas - 3 sacks, 3 QB hits and 15 pressures allowed, with 9 penalties
RT Tony Pashos - 7 sacks, 0 QB hits, and 15 pressures allowed, with 6 penalties (Missed 4 games)

Max Starks - 6 sacks, 7 QB hits, and 20 pressures allowed, with 5 penalties (Missed 3 games)
Marcus Gilbert - 9 sacks, 2 QB hits, and 15 pressures allowed, with 6 penalties (Missed 1 game)

I'll make a note that it doesn't say whether they are a byproduct of simply getting beat, being coverage sacks, or the QB holding on to the ball. Either way, his numbers don't look any better in comparison.


Couldn't agree more with the point about RT. I'd prefer for us to give him a chance to prove himself in Training Camp, but I would be a big fan of at least exploring other options.
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He has like more sacks against and more pressures allowed than any two of these other tackles combined. Yep, sadly it may be time to at least start about cutting bait with Oher. Maybe a new o-line coach will help, but if he doesn't drastically improve next season I see no reason in keeping him around.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327341195' post='969016']


As a whole, I was pleasantly surprised by McKinney...he didn't suck nearly as bad as I thought he would, and even played well at times. But no doubt, a franchise LT should be this team's #1 priority heading into the draft. Maybe trade our 1st and Oher to move up and grab Matt Kalil?
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Would somebody take Oher? 28th pick is 660 points on the value chart, and the 5th pick (at which point Kalil may even be gone) is 1700 points. Making up 1050 points would mean somebody out there has to believe that Oher is worth at least the 15th pick in this year's draft. Daniel Snyder has always been a sucker, you think he'd want "Mr. Blindside"?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327341386' post='969025']

Would somebody take Oher? 28th pick is 660 points on the value chart, and the 5th pick (at which point Kalil may even be gone) is 1700 points. Making up 1050 points would mean somebody out there has to believe that Oher is worth at least the 15th pick in this year's draft. Daniel Snyder has always been a sucker, you think he'd want "Mr. Blindside"?
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Doesn't hurt to ask! He likes to target Ravens recently, especially our retreads on the OL.

If a team feels Oher can help them, and still retain a 1st round pick, ya never know.

But this proposal sounds too "Maddenish" for me lol ... I just threw that out there for the heck of it.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327341195' post='969016']


As a whole, I was pleasantly surprised by McKinney...he didn't suck nearly as bad as I thought he would, and even played well at times. But no doubt, a franchise LT should be this team's #1 priority heading into the draft. Maybe trade our 1st and Oher to move up and grab Matt Kalil?
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I like McKinney too, but like you said, we really need a franchise LT. I'm not focused on the draft yet, but where do you think Kalil will fall?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1327341875' post='969055']

I like McKinney too, but like you said, we really need a franchise LT. I'm not focused on the draft yet, but where do you think Kalil will fall?
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Kalil will not fall outside of the top 10. Falling to 10 would be major for him. If Manning recovers the Colts could take him number 1 overall. The Vikings just drafted Ponder and the o-line that was so great 3 years ago now sucks. The Rams have nobody either - Jason Smith was a colossal bust. Both Miami and Carolina could take him - Mark Columbo can't play and Jeff Otah is injured a lot. No way the guy makes it out of the top 10, he's probably the best player, or at worst tied with Andrew Luck, in this draft class.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327341210' post='969017']
He has like more sacks against and more pressures allowed than any two of these other tackles combined.
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That's just excruciating to even think about, right? What's even more excruciating is thinking back over this season and listening to myself whine about how the OL needs to do much better at protecting Flacco, and how our team will only go as far as our OL takes us.
That missed kick and the Lee Evans play are irrelevant if we open up holes for Rice to run through with any sort of consistency. How does friggin' NE hold Ray Rice to 3 YPC?? Granted, that was not entirely on Oher. The middle of our line played just as poorly.
Like I said in another thread, keep Grubbs and Yanda, and start from scratch. Continuity be damned -- it's not like we're risking a major drop in performance.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1327341875' post='969055']

I like McKinney too, but like you said, we really need a franchise LT. I'm not focused on the draft yet, but where do you think Kalil will fall?
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Kalil is a pipe dream, tbh. He's the best player in the draft not named Andrew Luck.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327342244' post='969078']

That's just excruciating to even think about, right? What's even more excruciating is thinking back over this season and listening to myself whine about how the OL needs to do much better at protecting Flacco, and how our team will only go as far as our OL takes us.
That missed kick and the Lee Evans play are irrelevant if we open up holes for Rice to run through with any sort of consistency. How does friggin' NE hold Ray Rice to 3 YPC?? Granted, that was not entirely on Oher. The middle of our line played just as poorly.
Like I said in another thread, keep [b]Grubbs and Yanda,[/b] and start from scratch. Continuity be damned -- it's not like we're risking a major drop in performance.
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I agree, we need major help along the o-line. I'm seriously starting to think this might be another "Manning" case where people dog Flacco when in fact he makes a lot of his teammates look better than they really are. I mean Mason goes from over 800 yards last year to less than 200 this year. This offensive line was beaten by almost every team they played this season, including some of the worst D-lines (Patriots) in the NFL. Rice proves yet again that he's too small to be considered an elite back - I keep brining this up, but Jamal Lewis would have done something yesterday, he ALWAYS brought it. And yet Flacco and the defense carry this team to an AFCCG.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327342316' post='969080']


Kalil is a pipe dream, tbh. He's the best player in the draft not named Andrew Luck.
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Reiff might be a slightly more realistic option, but I still think he goes top 10.