Michael Oher

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327305383' post='967960']


Was a screen; designed that way. Oher's supposed to let the rush slide past him -- that's the whole idea.

Oher should have picked up McCourty though. That's something a smarter tackle would have seen from the get go.
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Ah, thanks for clarifying that for me fly.

So basically.. Oher did absolutely nothing on that play LOL!

[Bea]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1327295769' post='967636']
He needs to actually play to the whistle. He looks lazy and defeated too much. No mean streak at all.
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Just got to tell him that Flacco is his family. Did our backroom not watch Blindside?

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Bea' timestamp='1327307005' post='967986']
Just got to tell him that Flacco is his family. Did our backroom not watch Blindside?
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All I get from this post is that Sandra Bullock should be our next offensive line coach.

[flynismo]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1327306727' post='967983']

Ah, thanks for clarifying that for me fly. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

So basically.. Oher did absolutely nothing on that play LOL!
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basically, lol ...
McCourty was on Pitta, but played him soft and pulled off of him and jetted for Torrey as soon as the throw was made. Oher should have seen that coming from a mile away, but instead ran out to the flat for god knows what reason and didnt even realize what he needed to do til it was too late.
So now you know why people have questioned Oher's football IQ since his college days...
another example of his poor intelligence was that play I mentioned earlier, where he let both rushers fly right by him without even touching either one.

Oher sucks, I wouldn't lie to you, lmao...

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327295502' post='967613']
What do we do about this guy? He is horrible in pass protection. Just terrible. And he doesn't do enough in the run to make up for it.

Time to move on from him? I vote yes.
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Jah Reid > Oher. Who could we trade him too? Maybe the Titans so they can obsess about the blind side with their hometown hero?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1327307397' post='967992']
Jah Reid > Oher. Who could we trade him too? Maybe the Titans so they can obsess about the blind side with their hometown hero?
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Not sure about Jah, but at this point, I certainly see no harm in giving him the chance to show us what he's got!

I'm not sure who we trade him to, but there would definitely be no shortage of interested teams.

[Bea]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1327307322' post='967989']

All I get from this post is that Sandra Bullock should be our next offensive line coach.
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No, no. You have to get that guy that told him "Between the [chestal area]! So they can't see".

That'll stop the holding calls.

[flynismo]

So, just to clarify everyone's stance who voted "no"

Am I correct in assuming that we should keep Oher because:

1. He needs more than three years to learn how to play tackle
2. You're worried that we can't find someone who is an upgrade
3. It would hurt the chemistry of the line

[rmw10]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327297899' post='967787']



Sure, I understand that, but not only have we not seen development, he is significantly worse in his 3rd season than he was as a rookie; and last year as well. He has regressed two years in a row.

I know he's popular around here, and trading or releasing him would upset a lot of fans, but sometimes you have to cut bait before you get burned -- like he burned us both of our games in the playoffs.


Maybe we dont even get rid of him since he is relatively cheap -- he'd be great depth.
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I don't think you can write him off after 3 years. Remember, he had bounced around the line. There was a clear regression in his 2nd season due to the move to the much more difficult LT. This season, he was moved back to the right side. He had his difficulties early, but really brought it together midway through the season. He had a bad game today, no doubt, but I think you're being a little too harsh on a guy who hasnt really been given a shot at continuity at one position.

[Bea]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327308177' post='968009']
So, just to clarify everyone's stance who voted "no"

Am I correct in assuming that we should keep Oher because:

1. He needs more than three years to learn how to play tackle
2. You're worried that we can't find someone who is an upgrade
3. It would hurt the chemistry of the line
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I edited this into my other post but it never made it for some reason but I think no because he has tremendous upside, that is clear, and it's up to our coaches to get it out of him. Start by picking a side. I'd go with RT, and teach him it. He was also carrying a knock in the game today/yesterday.

Also anyone we can draft in the 1st round isn't going to be as good, all the good players will be gone by that point.

I was also concerned with Birk. On that -3yrd rush he seemed to totally blow his assignment and hasn't at all had the best of years.

[BloodRaven]

He's played hurt the last two games, people want him gone but I think the alternatives would quickly make you reconsider.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Bea' timestamp='1327308412' post='968022']

I edited this into my other post but it never made it for some reason but I think no because he has tremendous upside, that is clear, and it's up to our coaches to get it out of him. Start by picking a side. I'd go with RT, and teach him it. He was also carrying a knock in the game today/yesterday.
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His upside is why he was considered a "boom or bust" prospect coming out of school. He clearly has the physical tools and athleticism, but there were serious doubts about his intelligence and discipline.

Don't want to beat a dead horse, so I'll just say that I've proposed my stance on where he is at as far as alleviating the concerns that have always plagued him.
I mean we can say that he has switched from RT toLT to RT, but the limitations to those positions are physical ones. Mentally, it's not much different. Identify the player to be blocked, smash him, move on...it's the mental part that he still struggles with.

[quote name='Bea' timestamp='1327308412' post='968022']
Also anyone we can draft in the 1st round isn't going to be as good, all the good players will be gone by that point.
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That simply isn't true; there is plenty of talent available in the 2nd round and later....we wouldn't necessarily have to spend a 1st on his replacement anyway.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327308177' post='968009']
So, just to clarify everyone's stance who voted "no"

Am I correct in assuming that we should keep Oher because:

1. He needs more than three years to learn how to play tackle
2. You're worried that we can't find someone who is an upgrade
3. It would hurt the chemistry of the line
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Two is the only valid reason, and I really think you're overestimating the ability to just bring in guys along the OL. We didn't win the Super Bowl so we're going to be in another difficult cap situation, since losing Reed and Lewis' contracts after hoisting the Lombardi trophy was my theoretical cap relief. You already know we're going to overpay Rice, and after that contract there isn't going to be a lot of money left on the table. It is almost a certainty that we will be drafting a Center in the first or second round of the draft, but outside of that this is a very weak draft class. There are some small school prospects we might have a shot at of course, but the talent that could help us along the OL will be gone by the time the Ravens' pick rolls around unless Konz is there.

Looking at this group of Free Agents, there's Demetrius Bell who could be a option at LT, but that's not the position you're talking about. Outside of Bell, this group of FAs consists of guys like Cousins, LeVoir, Max Starks, and a bunch of other guys who have proved they can't play the position. Expecting us to strike gold and draft a starting Center, RT, and possibly a LG is asking a bit much. I know you brought up the Yanda/Grubbs draft, but that truly is an anomaly and I don't think even Ozzie can pull that off in a draft class that's this bad. There is truly a lack of talent in both free agency and the draft his year.

[flynismo]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1327308958' post='968027']

Two is the only valid reason, and I really think you're overestimating the ability to just bring in guys along the OL. We didn't win the Super Bowl so we're going to be in another difficult cap situation, since losing Reed and Lewis' contracts after hoisting the Lombardi trophy was my theoretical cap relief. You already know we're going to overpay Rice, and after that contract there isn't going to be a lot of money left on the table. It is almost a certainty that we will be drafting a Center in the first or second round of the draft, but outside of that this is a very weak draft class. There are some small school prospects we might have a shot at of course, but the talent that could help us along the OL will be gone by the time the Ravens' pick rolls around unless Konz is there.

Looking at this group of Free Agents, there's Demetrius Bell who could be a option at LT, but that's not the position you're talking about. Outside of Bell, this group of FAs consists of guys like Cousins, LeVoir, Max Starks, and a bunch of other guys who have proved they can't play the position. Expecting us to strike gold and draft a starting Center, RT, and possibly a LG is asking a bit much. I know you brought up the Yanda/Grubbs draft, but that truly is an anomaly and I don't think even Ozzie can pull that off in a draft class that's this bad. There is truly a lack of talent in both free agency and the draft his year.
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As far as cap room -- we hear that every offseason. But every season, we make the right moves. For example, do we need Corey Redding anymore? I dont see us resigning him. That's (I think) $3M off the books right there. Matt Birk -- another nice chunk of change off the books. JJ and Zibi may be allowed to walk away as well. I dont see us bringing Gurode back either. Those are just examples, but you see where I'm going...last season was Ozzie at his finest, cutting ties with proven vets and cutting tons of salary while upgrading our roster.

As far as free agents, we can't speculate too much just yet since we dont know who is going to be allowed to hit the market, what surprise cuts will be made or anything like that.
And saying there isn't talent in the draft is pure speculation; we should know that by now. We can speculate that x-player won't be a good NFL player, we can speculate that y-player won't be...all we do know is that there are plenty of guys each year who go in the mid and later rounds who turn into excellent, even Pro Bowl caliber players. Guys like Michael Roos who most thought wasn't very good go 71st overall and turn out to be a key player in Tennessee's offense; Carl Nicks goes in the 5th round (he's a guard, but just saying he's a guy no one even heard of when drafted but might be the best OG in the league)...heck just look at Yanda, who most people thought was an average prospect and projected to go in the 3 - 4th...
so we really cant say "there is no talent in the draft"....there always is, we just have to find them. And I trust our FO to find those guys.

[SuRihtanil]

Keep what he have I have seen worse, and he just had a off year, he is better than some others you would find in FA.

[flynismo]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' timestamp='1327311499' post='968056']
Keep what he have I have seen worse, and he just had a off year, he is better than some others you would find in FA.
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I hear ya, but having 2 off years in a three year career kinda leads me to believe the good year was the fluke, not the two bad years...

He was a LT coming out of college, but played RT as a rookie and tore it up; so the switch wasn't a big deal then...then the next two years happened and now I've felt the need to start this thread lol

[SuRihtanil]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327311722' post='968058']

I hear ya, but having 2 off years in a three year career kinda leads me to believe the good year was the fluke, not the two bad years...

He was a LT coming out of college, but played RT as a rookie and tore it up; so the switch wasn't a big deal then...then the next two years happened and now I've felt the need to start this thread lol
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I would just keep him and I am sure the Ravens plan to keep him. I dunno who would replace him that would be a turn around and be better at pass/run protection. I'll admit our Oline at times is a bit shadey, and I forever will have the play where he allowed Troy to run by him and sack/fumble Joe only to allow the Steelers to beat us. If they do trade him I just hope something good comes out of the trade.

[TXRaven]

I like Mike gotta remember he played right then left then right again give him time to settle into a position. He will be fine. the penalties have to stop though.

[rayrayven]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1327304439' post='967939']
I will say this. There were two plays in which I have absolutely no idea what Oher was doing. Watch Oher on this blitz..

[url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/1/22/2725969/video-torrey-smith-leaps-and-stretches-for-incredible-touchdown"]http://www.sbnation....dible-touchdown[/url]

It almost looks like he was suppose to do that.. Andy Moeller.. can you explain this? Why are you sending Oher out to block a CB against that kind of blitz with Rice helping the left side.. oO

I don't get it.
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Terrible play.

"Inside/over/Linbacker" is a OL mantra. You never let a guy inside you get a rush like that.- its a first priority. Ravens can't win a SB with such atrocious blocking as what we've seen past two weeks.

[baltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327295502' post='967613']
What do we do about this guy? He is horrible in pass protection. Just terrible. And he doesn't do enough in the run to make up for it.

Time to move on from him? I vote yes.
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We have fairly major work to do in the trenches. Oher was a letdown, but Birk will be 36, Grubbs a FA, and will McKinnie want to come back and play? On the other hand, the defensive line needs a top-flight DE and Cody needs to make a 100% commitment to football in the offseason [b]and develop his body[/b].
Does anyone know or can substatiate if Ngata was playing injured the last two months of the season because he was not his old dominant self?

[frezeal33]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1327303330' post='967916']
Seriously?
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Yep.

[scrock]

it depends on who u can replace him with, is he better? Oher is mostly solid with some mental mistakes

im not sure what his contract will be

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I say we should keep him but have an open competition for RT between him and Jah Reid. I don't think he's played badly enough to warrant cutting, not by a long way, but maybe seeing what Reid can do isn't a bad idea.

[ravensfan160]

If we still had a 29 year old Jonathan Ogden at LT than maybe but get real. We played virtually the entire season with only three OT on the active roster (McKinnie, Oher, and Reid) and frankly of the three Oher is the best which admittedly isn't saying much.

Birk will likely retire, we probably won't be able to afford Grubbs, Reid looks completely outmatched out there, and McKinnie has one year left on his contract which is probably all his career has left. And you want to get rid of Oher?

[Bltravens]

With Birk likely gone, possibly losing Grubbs to FA, and who knows the front office's decision on McKinnie. We need to keep as much continuity as possible in my opinion. Oher looks like a 6th rounder some games, and then will go on a stretch of being a road grader and negating his DE. I thought he played well after he basically destroyed his ankle in the 2nd quarter.

But let us be honest, he's not what he was in 2009 at RT. He was graded out as the 2nd best RT in all of football by the AP I think.

[TreTheRaven]

Him & McKinney both need to go. Along with Birk.

[izvoodoo]

I have never seen a guy get so much flack for playing on a bum Leg.

He has a knuckle headed penalty, admitted, but this is just spite.

[True]

I've been thinking he'll play out his rookie deal before eventually leaving via FA and then Jah Reid will take over.

Ravens aren't going to trade him imo..they aren't going to give up on their 1st rounder this soon.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1327326321' post='968233']
If we still had a 29 year old Jonathan Ogden at LT than maybe but get real. We played virtually the entire season with only three OT on the active roster (McKinnie, Oher, and Reid) and frankly of the three Oher is the best which admittedly isn't saying much.

Birk will likely retire, we probably won't be able to afford Grubbs, Reid looks completely outmatched out there, and McKinnie has one year left on his contract which is probably all his career has left. And you want to get rid of Oher?
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What does a 29 year old Ogden have to do with replacing a mediocre RT like Oher?

[flynismo]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1327334166' post='968622']
I have never seen a guy get so much flack for playing on a bum Leg.

He has a knuckle headed penalty, admitted, but this is just spite.
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Has he played on a bum leg for the last two years? Maybe that would explain his performance, and I would be more understanding then.