Michael Oher

[Crabcakes&Football]

I say keep him until his contract is up. But unless he shows improvement from now till then, don't resign him. Jah Reid may or may not be the answer, but given Oher's able to play both sides of the line, we would at least have an answer if Mckinney went down for a few games.

[flynismo]

[quote name='vonbonds' timestamp='1327296556' post='967699']
7-10 OL are drafted ahead of us and our cap situation isn't great.
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We trade Oher for whatever we can get -- the guy we draft to replace him and Jah Reid combined make less money than Oher. We actually help our cap situation, even if it is marginally.

As for 7 - 10 OL drafted ahead of us, that is unlikely; but even if that did play out, I'm confident that we can find someone in the first three rounds who can be an upgrade.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327296596' post='967703']

We need starters before we worry about depth! (exclamation is for emphasis, not yelling)

Seriously, this line has been decent against lesser competition, but against good and great defenses -- ouch!
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Yeah, but I thought Oher really got the penalties under control as this season went on, and with further development, he should be an elite RT at some point.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1327297032' post='967733']
Yeah, but I thought Oher really got the penalties under control as this season went on, and with further development, he should be an elite RT at some point.
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So far throughout his career, the lack of penalties mid-season is an abberation if anything.

And this guy is light years away from being an elite anything! Maybe at some point he can be an asset. Maybe...but he has had 3 years in this league..I'm not feeling very confident about him.

[vonbonds]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327296797' post='967720']

We trade Oher for whatever we can get -- the guy we draft to replace him and Jah Reid combined make less money than Oher. We actually help our cap situation, even if it is marginally.

As for 7 - 10 OL drafted ahead of us, that is unlikely; but even if that did play out, I'm confident that we can find someone in the first three rounds who can be an upgrade.[/quote]

I don't like your idea at all. Birk is done and I don't know what is happening to McKinney. You are talking about blowing up 2-3 of our current starters. O-line is as much about continuity as talent. Keep Oher and address center, maybe LT and get depth.

No one had an offseason last year, all young players need it and Oher was no different. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327297315' post='967751']


So far throughout his career, the lack of penalties mid-season is an abberation if anything.

And this guy is light years away from being an elite anything! Maybe at some point he can be an asset. Maybe...but he has had 3 years in this league..I'm not feeling very confident about him.
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Three years really isn't that much, especially when you consider that he played a small portion of his rookie year at LT and all of his second year at LT. Development and patience....

[flynismo]

[quote name='vonbonds' timestamp='1327297352' post='967752']
I don't like your idea at all. Birk is done and I don't know what is happening to McKinney. You are talking about blowing up 2-3 of our current starters. O-line is as much about continuity as talent. Keep Oher and address center, maybe LT and get depth.

No one had an offseason last year, all young players need it and Oher was no different. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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An overhaul is not necessarily a bad thing. It's better than standing pat and praying that Oher improves at some point.

Besides, if Birk and McKinney are gone, we're pretty much overhauling anyway.

[vonbonds]

But what if it is just Birk who is gone? The question doesn't matter though, Oher is coming back next year.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1327297601' post='967764']
Three years really isn't that much, especially when you consider that he played a small portion of his rookie year at LT and all of his second year at LT. [b]Development and patience....[/b]
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Sure, I understand that, but not only have we not seen development, he is significantly worse in his 3rd season than he was as a rookie; and last year as well. He has regressed two years in a row.

I know he's popular around here, and trading or releasing him would upset a lot of fans, but sometimes you have to cut bait before you get burned -- like he burned us both of our games in the playoffs.


Maybe we dont even get rid of him since he is relatively cheap -- he'd be great depth.

[flynismo]

[quote name='vonbonds' timestamp='1327297873' post='967786']
But what if it is just Birk who is gone?
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Replacing two guys worked out nicely in 2007 with Grubbs and Yanda.


[quote name='vonbonds' timestamp='1327297873' post='967786']
Oher is coming back next year.
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He probably will. But in what capacity? I strongly feel we need to bring someone else in. If Oher is our starter again next year, it should be because he beat out stiff competition for the job.

[vonbonds]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327298017' post='967790']

He probably will. But in what capacity? I strongly feel we need to bring someone else in. If Oher is our starter again next year, it should be because he beat out stiff competition for the job.[/quote]

Athletics is all about competition. Of course I hope Ozzie gets someone who will compete for his job....as well as all the other positions.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327297899' post='967787']


Sure, I understand that, but not only have we not seen development, he is significantly worse in his 3rd season than he was as a rookie; and last year as well. He has regressed two years in a row.

I know he's popular around here, and trading or releasing him would upset a lot of fans, but sometimes you have to cut bait before you get burned -- like he burned us both of our games in the playoffs.


Maybe we dont even get rid of him since he is relatively cheap -- he'd be great depth.
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Absolutely no way did he burn us in this game. Yeah he gave some things up and had a false start, but early on he left with an injury and came back, and he's not one of the guys who allowed Wilfork to destroy us. I saw him make some great blocks in the running game also.

But I do agree that IF, IF we were to replace him next season, the best way to go would be to just bench him and keep him for depth, but I'd still be shocked if even [i]that[/i] happened.

[JO_75]

Look I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of his development being hurt by the fact he has switched positions for the past couple seasons. He starts off on the RT, then he moves to LT then back to RT, that is something that will hurt a player's development. Now watching the games in the playoffs, Oher needs to learn how to block. It seems he just puts his hands on the defender's shoulder and then just lets him go. I don't know if he is afraid of holding a player and being aggressive because he doesn't want to be flagged but he needs to block better. I saw a couple plays where Flacco was sacked against Houston was due to Oher blocking for like 2 seconds then letting the guy go after Joe instead of continuing to block him and maybe push him AWAY from Joe instead of letting him get to Joe freely.

If Oher can work on that, then he can become better. Hopefully for his sake, we keep him at RT so he can have some continuity and not be switching from one side to the other and back his whole career and we just draft a Franchise LT to replace McKinnie.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1327298159' post='967797']
[b]Absolutely no way did he burn us in this game.[/b] Yeah he gave some things up and had a false start, but early on he left with an injury and came back, and he's not one of the guys who allowed Wilfork to destroy us. I saw him make some great blocks in the running game also.

But I do agree that IF, IF we were to replace him next season, the best way to go would be to just bench him and keep him for depth, but I'd still be shocked if even [i]that[/i] happened.
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The play that stands out most is when two linebackers came in on the edge. One to Oher's left, the other to Oher's right. Oher touched neither of them and Flacco got sacked by those two after they blew right by Oher. And he got owned by some guy I never even heard of!


Why would you be so surprised if we upgraded at RT? Oher's play has not earned him any leeway or benefit of the doubt.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327298450' post='967807']


The play that stands out most is when two linebackers came in on the edge. One to Oher's left, the other to Oher's right. Oher touched neither of them and Flacco got sacked by those two after they blew right by Oher. And he got owned by some guy I never even heard of!


Why would you be so surprised if we upgraded at RT? Oher's play has not earned him any leeway or benefit of the doubt.
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Well if he takes one out, there's still another to account for, so that's pressure given up anyway.

And I'd be surprised because he's a very good run blocker and has learning to do.

[frezeal33]

No.

I vote no.

no,no,no.

He actually did pretty good today.

[Va BeaCh RaVeN]

I think Jah Reid should get a fair shake in training camp. If he outplays Oher, then keep Oher as depth. He made Rob Ninkovich ( how ever you spell it ) look like Demarcus Ware. He gave up an ungodly amount of pressures today, and we all know how terrible he looked vs a more than serviceable DE in JJ Watt.

[RoflDogs]

Drafting 2 pro bowlers in a draft is highly unlikely, and it would be stupid to rely on the possibility. Oher is better than any other option we have right now, and cutting/trading him would be just killing our depth

Don't forget, for every Grubbs and Yanda, there are the David Hales and the Oniel Counsins'

Keep Oher at least for next year. Pick up some solid depth through free agency and draft a couple OL in a solid draft class

[chesapeakeaviator]

Hard call. I guess it's like everything in the NFL--if you can get a better option, you take it. Oher hasn't done anything to make him untouchable by the front office. However, it just seems unlikely. You could definitely snag a third rounder for him because there are so many teams who have horrendous offensive line situations and he is versatile; Oher would command a decent trade value.

I just don't know with our draft position if we could replace him. If you got rid of him, that suddenly becomes your #1 need and you might get taken to the cleaners to try and obtain another tackle who is better (and it's pointless to downgrade there just for cap's sake). I'm not sure all the options available in free agency yet. It would be a tough, tough decision. I voted yes because he frustrates me, and the OP's points are valid and noted, but I'm just not sure how we replace him.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1327295719' post='967630']I don't want to give a knee-jerk reaction, but he has declined ever since his rookie season.

Today he was beaten like a drum by nobodys and, to be totally honest, watching him struggle so badly was depressing.[/quote]

I never thought Patriots pass rushers could look so good. Our O-line were bad this season, but they were a complete joke tonight. Every one of them(with exception of birk,and yanda in very late 4th quarter) did not do their job. Mckinnie, Grubbs, Birk, Yanda, Oher all got beat like ragdolls. Again, this is Patriots pass rushers.

Oher got dominated by a guy name ninkovic(who?)

Grubbs/Yanda were a complete joke (i'd laugh if you told me they were probowl lineman tonight).

Mckinnie just like Oher was dominated by spikes and mayo(complete nonfactor pass rushers on reg season)

I think the only person that look like a stud was our dinosaur center Matt Birk who probably is near retirement.

Whoever this new O-lineman coach is in ravens he needs to go.

[keebl3rs]

Oher looks absolutely [b]amazing[/b] one play.. and then looks almost lost the next. That's what kills me about Oher. I'm not ready to give up on him yet.. despite the penalties and all that.. he has sooooo much potental. For those talking about giving up Oher for a 3rd rounder? Please tell me you're kidding!

We obviously need a new Center. Gurode was solid for Dallas until the injury.. and while he is getting up there in age, I think he can absolutely fill that void for atleast the next year or two. I'll tell you this much, Dallas is regretting passing on Gurode for Phil Costa. If he really is over the knee injury, the guy will be a solid center for us.

Yanda and Grubbs are solid.. if we can afford to bring Grubbs back, do so.

If McKinnie would go on the "Jared Gaither Diet" during the offseason.. he'd probably be a beastly LT. He just isn't as quick as he once was.. (Anyone remember him back at The U? Dude was a monster!). 360lbs? Come on.. no one's buying that. Anyway, I wouldn't bank on it happening at this point in his career.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='frezeal33' timestamp='1327299125' post='967829']No.

I vote no.

no,no,no.

He actually did pretty good today.[/quote]

Seriously?

[flynismo]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1327302708' post='967908']For those talking about giving up Oher for a 3rd rounder? Please tell me you're kidding!
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No. Absolutely not kidding. We can get damn good players in the third round. Then I look at Oher....I'd take a 3rd for him in a heartbeat.

[Npane171]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327295775' post='967637']

He's under contract, but his low salary and young age make him very tradeable. Let's cut our losses ... if we can get a 3rd for him, we need to pull the trigger
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Man, I'm sold on that one. Good point. Let's do just that. I hope Ozzie is reading your post.

[Guest RBates]

Mckinnie looked bad and lazy, Birk looked bad, Keep Michael Oher or we will regret it .

[flynismo]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1327303971' post='967931']
Mckinnie looked bad and lazy, Birk looked bad, [b] Keep Michael Oher or we will regret it .[/b]
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Ugh. We finally bury the hatchet on Flacco, and now this [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png[/img]

[keebl3rs]

I will say this. There were two plays in which I have absolutely no idea what Oher was doing. Watch Oher on this blitz..

[url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/1/22/2725969/video-torrey-smith-leaps-and-stretches-for-incredible-touchdown"]http://www.sbnation....dible-touchdown[/url]

It almost looks like he was suppose to do that.. Andy Moeller.. can you explain this? Why are you sending Oher out to block a CB against that kind of blitz with Rice helping the left side.. oO

I don't get it.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327304133' post='967935']

Ugh. We finally bury the hatchet on Flacco, and now this [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png[/img]
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Im sorry Fly this will be a mistake. His power is undeniable, he just needs more practice. We need a better O-line coach. He has technique issues. Look like he was hurt. Michael Oher is a beast, he Yanda and Grubbs are the future. Birk and Mckinnie...........wow

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1327304450' post='967940']
Im sorry Fly this will be a mistake. His power is undeniable, he just needs more practice. We need a better O-line coach. He has technique issues. Look like he was hurt. Michael Oher is a beast, he Yanda and Grubbs are the future. Birk and Mckinnie...........wow
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Over his three years here I've seen nothing that makes me believe Oher is the future of the OL in any aspect. In three years he hasn't learned not to false start, without even getting into obvious technique issues. He's better than the other options we have next year, but the only people who'll think he should be resigned next year are those who think that he's the best tackle there is because there's a movie about his life.

I do think part of the problem with the OL this season is blocking scheme. Something changed last year that caused the line to fall off the cliff after an incredibly productive season where Rice had a great YPC number. I think we were continuing the failed zone blocking experiment that was started last season with the wrong personnel for it.

[flynismo]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1327304439' post='967939']
I will say this. There were two plays in which I have absolutely no idea what Oher was doing. Watch Oher on this blitz..

[url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/1/22/2725969/video-torrey-smith-leaps-and-stretches-for-incredible-touchdown"]http://www.sbnation....dible-touchdown[/url]

It almost looks like he was suppose to do that.. Andy Moeller.. can you explain this? Why are you sending Oher out to block a CB against that kind of blitz with Rice helping the left side.. oO

I don't get it.
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Was a screen; designed that way. Oher's supposed to let the rush slide past him -- that's the whole idea.

Oher should have picked up McCourty though. That's something a smarter tackle would have seen from the get go.