Candidates For Offensive Coordinator

[Alejandro Paz]

Hello guys and girls. In my opinion Flaco's effectivity was really good, the weakness is not Flaco it is the OL. The next cordinator has to focus on that point. To open some highways for Rice, nevertheless my recomendation is to give Ricky more time to carry the ball, he might be not so fast as Rice, but he is defeitly a stronger guy..just my opinion. The defense is the best in decades, is just amazing to see the purple wall to make their job..... I just proud to be a lonely international Raven´s fun. Best regards

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1327383944' post='970658']
Marty Schottenheimer anyone?
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He has over 20 years of head coaching experience in this league and was a defensive coordinator before that. Why would he want to be the OC here exactly?

[Ravens Beast]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1327384896' post='970675']

He has over 20 years of head coaching experience in this league and was a defensive coordinator before that. Why would he want to be the OC here exactly?
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Geeze man, just throwing out suggestions.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1327383944' post='970658']
[s]Marty Schottenheimer anyone?[/s]

Batman.
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HAHAHA, even better!!

Batman is a gaaaaaangsta

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1327385776' post='970688']
HAHAHA, even better!!

Batman is a gaaaaaangsta
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I'm not down with Batman for OC. He refuses to kill his enemies, and I don't want to put up with an OC who refuses to snuff opponents out.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='ZRayvenZ' timestamp='1327292975' post='967452']
Cam Cameron. He took this team to the playoffs 4 years in a row, 2 AFC championships. LOL. Harbaugh isn't firing his buddy..
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no he didnt,the player's took us there and by the way Cam Cameron's contract is up.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327383303' post='970641']

Nah I don't look at it that way. Cassel, like Matt Flynn, had talent, otherwise they wouldn't have been drafted. Both guys sat for 4 years and learned the system. Both guys had amazing offensive coordinators. Both guys had sick weapons - Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, Finley for Flynn, Moss and Welker for Cassel. If you have that much time and a good coach with good players around you, you can succeed - I'm just greatful Joe succeeded as well as he has with Spam running the show. Besides Cassel did okay last year in KC - threw 27 TDs with only 7 picks. Brady is just blessed with great talent and a great head coach who puts players around him. Actually it really makes me wonder, because Brady had great players, so did Rodgers, but Peyton Manning's team crashed and burned without him. It makes me wonder,[b] if I had Peyton Manning and gave him Brady's teams, or Rodgers' teams, or Rivers or Brees' teams, what could he do with them?[/b]
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that is one scary thought my friend. like someone said before. manning makes average joe wr look like jerry rice. he is really that good. (or was). i hope he comes back though. i wanna win against him. i think we need to do this just like we had to sweep the steelers and the division....

[Radinho84]

for coordinator: i just hope it is someone that is able to use his players the right way. not trying to push them into shoes that don´t fit. let them do what they are doing best. and we will be great!!! still like the Zorn idea the most!!! joe and him are on the same page. that is the most important one. it wouldn´t hurt us either to have a guy that tells our OL how to protect the passer. those guys where off for a long time this year...

flacco didn´t even had a chance to go through his reads in the playoffs. and he still killed the pats----- well almost he did...

[ZRayvenZ]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1327389041' post='970730']

no he didnt,the player's took us there and by the way Cam Cameron's contract is up.
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Well then,, what has Harbaugh done different than Cameron? If Cam deserves to be fired,,so does Harbaugh.

[ZRayvenZ]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1327355211' post='969630']

I think if you're a potential OC who was or wants to be a HC, the Ravens are the team you want to go to. [b] If you do your job well, you have a very high probability of finding yourself immediately in the playoffs and getting that prime time/national coverage[/b]. You've got most of your pieces already with enough room for improvement to help put your own stamp on the offense. I think most guys would jump at it.
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That would indicate Cam has been doing the job asked of him for 4 years. Cam is not getting fired. He might quit.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='ZRayvenZ' timestamp='1327407577' post='970861']
That would indicate Cam has been doing the job asked of him for 4 years. Cam is not getting fired. He might quit.
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Don't think you quite understand. Cam's contract is up - like our free agents, at the end of the season he's technically no longer employed by the Baltimore Ravens. And the fact that they haven't offered Cam Cameron a deal already tells me that they are at least seriously considering moving on. Right now, the Ravens have no offensive coordinator for 2012. Whether that person is Cam or someone else remains to be seen.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1327386550' post='970695']

I'm not down with Batman for OC. He refuses to kill his enemies, and I don't want to put up with an OC who refuses to snuff opponents out.
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But think of all the sweet gadgets he has and the crazy martial arts skills!

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1327416121' post='970965']
But think of all the sweet gadgets he has and the crazy martial arts skills!
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Professor Xavier would be the greatest coach of all time.
"It's a run, trust me."

[frozen joe flacco fan]

First, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. I watched the playoff game and it didn't seem that we lost because of predictable playcalling. It seemed like there were three or four plays that were poorly executed and some serious breakdowns in the O-line play. Would you also fire the O-line coach? Should we find a new ST coach? A great O-line like the old Redskin Hogs, including Russ Grimm, would have powered the ball into the end zone when we had to settle for a FG instead of making the score 24-16. That was poor execution by the O-line on back to back plays. The catch that Ed Dixon did not make to convert on 3rd down was poor execution on his part. The careless catch Lee Evans made in the end zone was poor execution on his part. The missed FG at the end was poorly executed by Billy Cundiff. There were certainly a few examples of poor, predictable and vanilla play calling like the long pass thrown into quadruple coverage in the middle of the field when the outside had been open all day. However, they didn't cost us the game. It is the responsibility of the Head Coach to correct all of the above mental errors by the players.

If management decides that Joe and Cam cannot co-exist like Brady and O'Brien, they should make a change immediately. It would not be good to bring back Jim Zorn as an OC. He's just another deer caught in the headlights like our current Head Coach. He's OK as a QB Coach. Hue Jackson is not the answer either. I think its hard for any former head coach to come back as an Assistant Coach because its really a demotion. He also threw his whole team under the bus in a post-game interview. If I was looking for a former head coach to be our offensive guru, it would be Mike Martz or Brian Billick. Of course, Brian will not be coming back for obvious reasons.

[stan]

Hue Jackson - Best OC since Ted Marchabroda.

Ralph Friedgen - The only OC that can run the ball on third and long and make it. If Ralph is up to it, at his age, Then he is my second chioce.

Mike Shula - Has a reputation for developing QBs. Look what he did with Cam Newton and Matt Moore. Moore went to Miami and played very well.

[sflegend89]

Hugh Jackson is a GREAT fit. I loved what he did with the Raiders O, their failures were on the players than Hugh. I'll be very disappointed if we don't pursue him.

[Bltravens]

Hue is kind of a nut job. I dont know if it was Oakland or what, but if he called out the Ravens players like he did for the Raiders, Im pretty sure Ray would sock him up.

[scrock]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1327424114' post='971189']
Hue is kind of a nut job. I dont know if it was Oakland or what, but if he called out the Ravens players like he did for the Raiders, Im pretty sure Ray would sock him up.
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he got a little power trip going

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1327424114' post='971189']
Hue is kind of a nut job. I dont know if it was Oakland or what, but if he called out the Ravens players like he did for the Raiders, Im pretty sure Ray would sock him up.
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Hue has always kind of been that way, but the man gets results. If you don't give him too much power i.e. hire him as OC and then bring in position coaches, I think he'll be fine. He took Carson Palmer off the street, and once Carson got back into the swing of things, he did okay. That's what I want, I guy who gets proven results with quarterbacks.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='ZRayvenZ' timestamp='1327407577' post='970861']
That would indicate Cam has been doing the job asked of him for 4 years. Cam is not getting fired. He might quit.
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No, it really wouldn't. I think Cam did his job OK. For me; his stubborness, propensity to unnecessarily dial back the offense putting the onus for the wins on the backs of the other two units and for constantly gambling on ridiculously low percentage passing plays (even for an Air Coryell-based offense) over the last 4 years stops me from saying he did his job well.

Whenever supporters of Cam point out the problems with the offense, they always talk about the offensive line collapsing, the receivers not getting seperation/open, all the players not executing, etc. I think they forget that Cam is responsible for all of that. It's his job to get them to execute or to change in order to utilize their strengths. Look at what Mike McCoy did with Denver this year. On the fly, he revamped his entire offense and strategy to suit the strength of his players (and one player in particular). Do you see Cameron able to do something like that?

It's his job to develop and implement the blocking and protection schemes. It's his job to create and execute routes that allow receivers to get seperation. He is the Offensive Coordinator, not the Quarterbacks Coach. Every aspect of the offense is under his purview. To me, with the potential of this offense, he has done an OK job and that's about as generous as I can be.

[UMDan]

Is the Friedgen conversation a joke? Seriously? I go to Maryland and was here when Friedgen was here. The answer is no. Hue Jackson, please.

[keebl3rs]

Sorry folks, but Cam will probably be back.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1327434849' post='971544']
Sorry folks, but Cam will probably be back.
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What makes you think that?

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1327435677' post='971572']

What makes you think that?
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No OTA. Very young offense. O-Line issues.

Yet we win the AFC North and are a dropped pass away from being in the Superbowl.

Steve Bisciotti isn't going to fire the OC because we have a petition goin on in the forums.

[bmoreravens1fan]

Personally I dont have a problem with Cam, wouldnt bother me at all to see him back

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1327436241' post='971583']

No OTA. Very young offense. O-Line issues.

Yet we win the AFC North and are a dropped pass away from being in the Superbowl.

Steve Bisciotti isn't going to fire the OC because we have a petition goin on in the forums. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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The O-line wasn't terrible all season long (it was at its worst in the playoffs) hence why Rice averaged over half a yard per carry more than last year.

If it was a case of Cam being under contract for next year then I don't know whether he'd be fired but he isn't. The team hasn't offered him a new contract yet and I doubt they do given his "under fire" status going into the year.

[admartian]

OP I like all your suggestions.

Haley with his corrosive personality scares me though.

But I'd take Coach Taylor from FNL, a fictional character, over Cam cam.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='frozen joe flacco fan' timestamp='1327420886' post='971103']
First, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. I watched the playoff game and it didn't seem that we lost because of predictable playcalling. It seemed like there were three or four plays that were poorly executed and some serious breakdowns in the O-line play. Would you also fire the O-line coach? [u][b]Should we find a new ST coach?[/b][/u] A great O-line like the old Redskin Hogs, including Russ Grimm, would have powered the ball into the end zone when we had to settle for a FG instead of making the score 24-16. That was poor execution by the O-line on back to back plays. The catch that Ed Dixon did not make to convert on 3rd down was poor execution on his part. The careless catch Lee Evans made in the end zone was poor execution on his part. The missed FG at the end was poorly executed by Billy Cundiff. There were certainly a few examples of poor, predictable and vanilla play calling like the long pass thrown into quadruple coverage in the middle of the field when the outside had been open all day. However, they didn't cost us the game. It is the responsibility of the Head Coach to correct all of the above mental errors by the players.

If management decides that Joe and Cam cannot co-exist like Brady and O'Brien, they should make a change immediately. It would not be good to bring back Jim Zorn as an OC. He's just another deer caught in the headlights like our current Head Coach. He's OK as a QB Coach. Hue Jackson is not the answer either. I think its hard for any former head coach to come back as an Assistant Coach because its really a demotion. He also threw his whole team under the bus in a post-game interview. If I was looking for a former head coach to be our offensive guru, it would be Mike Martz or Brian Billick. Of course, Brian will not be coming back for obvious reasons.
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Actually, we might be in the market for a new ST coordinator...

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1327439976' post='971658']
OP I like all your suggestions.

Haley with his corrosive personality scares me though.

But I'd take Coach Taylor from FNL, a [b]fictional character[/b], over Cam cam.
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Why not Al Pacino from Any Given Sunday!? OOH AHH!!

[jus'_crAzy]

I personally wanted to see what Mike Leach could do in the Pros, but then he up and left for Washington State. Jerk.

WCO intrigues me but I don't know if we're built for that type of offense. The only reason Aaron Rodgers does it so well is because he improvises. A lot. Couldn't tell you the number of times he ad libs for huge plays. Also, I don't think we have 5 tight ends on our active roster (FACT).