MERGED: Evans

[cursona pirate]

Keep him. Develop with Flacco over the offseason.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1327447505' post='971846']
Truth always with the level-headed answer. I agree with this completely. Lee Evans is a very talented WR, give him an offseason to work with Joe and get healthy and I think he would become a valuable asset to our offense. I do want to see what guys like Doss and Q2 can do, but Evans is a known quantity and I'll bet he comes back next year with a huge chip on his shoulder.
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Thank you, and right back at you. I agree. I do see him coming back with a chip on his shoulder. Like you've mentioned, if he can remain healthy and work on his chemistry with Flacco, he could potentially be a regular contributor in 2012.

[Ravens Fan in Ontario]

Being more local to the Buffalo market, and to several of their games a Rogers Centre in Toronto I can attest to the fact Evans is a good WR. We get the buffalo games on our local channels here in Ontario. I think given the off season to develop a better rapport with Flacco you will see a huge difference next year. Let's not forget he's used to catching balls from the "Amish Rifle" another big armed QB.

[XxI_AM_KINGxX]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1327284441' post='966526']
Do we cut him or keep him?
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Keep no doubt about it

[Jamal]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1327445903' post='971810']
But Doss has the same strength as Boldin, over the middle, sitting in a zone, moderate speed and smart. I'd be very interested to see if Doss can get off press coverage at the NFL level. Boldin's played on the outside his entire career so I dont know how Doss has him beat on that, would Boldin be dominant in the slot when used properly? Of course but Boldin's been an outside guy for a long time.

Evans screwed us, but Cundiff has a single job to do and he was about as mediocre as it gets. Evans is at least a proven deep threat in the NFL, he just got hurt. There's a reason Cundiff is a journeyman kicker.
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And it is Evans job to catch balls. And this wasn't his first drop. His hands have looked shaky before as well.

I don't want to see any of the people wanting Evans back to say Cundiff needs to be cut. He can come back next year too. Pretty sure he'll have a chip on his shoulder as well.

[Npane171]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1327448814' post='971874']
Thank you, and right back at you. I agree. I do see him coming back with a chip on his shoulder. Like you've mentioned, if he can remain healthy and work on his chemistry with Flacco, he could potentially be a regular contributor in 2012.
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I agree with you, too. I like the idea of a fresh, healthy and embittered Evans. You said it best about restructuring his contract, although others have mentioned the same thing. If he is willing to take less, fine. I doubt he will be. he doesn't deserve to play as a Raven for that amount of money, because he didn't show us that he deserves to continue making .Hey, injuries suck but you lose out on things when they occur. Plus, he cost us big. I don't think that means his head should roll, though. I do, however, think less money is owed to him right now. That being said, plenty of teams - like the Raiders or Broncos - would love to have someone as classy as Evans on their team especially since those teams are in need of some receiver depth. I expect to be hearing something about this soon.

[IMissMattStover]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1327448272' post='971862']
Keep him. Develop with Flacco over the offseason.
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I agree, we need to give him time to work with Joe and develop a pattern. Maybe work out some of the drops and overconfidence too.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1327449583' post='971889']
And it is Evans job to catch balls. And this wasn't his first drop. His hands have looked shaky before as well.

I don't want to see any of the people wanting Evans back to say Cundiff needs to be cut. He can come back next year too. Pretty sure he'll have a chip on his shoulder as well.
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Yes but the difference between them is Cundiff has ALWAYS been that kicker, Evans has been a premier receiver in the league while playing with total garbage throwing the ball to him.

Cundiff won't be cut out of principle by Harbaugh.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1327452151' post='971954']
Yes but the difference between them is Cundiff has ALWAYS been that kicker, Evans has been a premier receiver in the league while playing with total garbage throwing the ball to him.

Cundiff won't be cut out of principle by Harbaugh.
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I don't see how Evans was a premier WR. Hes only had 2 1000+ yards season and only 4 seasons total where he went over 800 yards. He might have had mediocre QB play, but before SJ came out of the blue, he was the only option, increasing his opportunities.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1327453869' post='971987']
I don't see how Evans was a premier WR. Hes only had 2 1000+ yards season and only 4 seasons total where he went over 800 yards. He might have had mediocre QB play, but before SJ came out of the blue, he was the only option, increasing his opportunities.
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Which also increases the coverages rolled his way.

Im not saying he was an elite WR, but he definitely wasn't mediocre. The comparison is between Evans career and Cundiff's. Cundiff is a journeyman kicker, Evans is an established pro.

[Npane171]

Another thing I wanted to point...

Reading the script of the interview - the one where he said he was "blessed" to play with such a fantastic organization - He didn't seem as poignant about coming back here. You know, if it were me and I made the mistake (and this was the best team I'd played for thus far, one which has potential to get back to the superbowl as well) I would be making all the noise I could to stay. He just didn't do that. That's kind of left me confused. It's almost as if he knows something already. To me - and this is sheer speculation - he is unwilling to compromise the standards of his contract. I think he knows that it's likely the Ravens are going to want to pay him less due to what's gone on for him through-out the season. That being said, he probably knows he is not coming back. As much as I want him to come back next season, I don't think we see him. That being said, we need to AVOID getting a wide receiver. I'm sorry but this is just not a priority to me. I think Torrey comes back even better next season. Apart from that, under new offensive genius, Boldin and Torrey run much more fitting routes. We include Doss in the line up, assuming he gets better in the off-season. On top of that, we know Joe can throw to Rice, and Pitta (quickly becoming his favorite in my eyes) and Dickson (hopefully he gets better hands next season) are also options. With a reinforced line and better offensive play calling, Joe is going to light up defenses. Doss is going to look good next season due to this, and people are going to over-look him (paying attention to Boldin, Torrey, Pitta and Rice).

[ratedr]

These hired gun receivers keep failing us. Let's just stick with our own.

Lee seems like a nice guy but he doesn't have the urgency. This isn't Buffalo. I bet LaQuan holds onto that ball.

[FootballMasta20]

Every single time I see that dropped touchdown pass it infuriates me. How do you NOT make that catch!? Ugh. If I were him I would have grabbed that ball like my life depended on it. I have no doubt Q would have caught it. He has extremely strong hands. With all of this said I think he should be released. Too much money. We need to invest in a big athletic receiver like Colston or Jackson.

[dhstandard]

As well as he began to play, I just can't have him on this team. He dropped the chances to the Super Bowl. He is practically an older Torrey Smith who chokes like most of the receivers from Buffalo. He doesn't offer anything Torrey doesn't already have. Boldin and Torrey are good enough, and there are way better receivers out there which would fit the team better. We need a big receiver who can go up there and get it. We already have the deep threat.

[bauer77]

[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1327548234' post='974138']
As well as he began to play, I just can't have him on this team. He dropped the chances to the Super Bowl. He is practically an older Torrey Smith who chokes like most of the receivers from Buffalo. He doesn't offer anything Torrey doesn't already have. Boldin and Torrey are good enough, and there are way better receivers out there which would fit the team better. We need a big receiver who can go up there and get it. We already have the deep threat.
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Those big receivers will cost money, money we won't have if we want to lock up Grubbs, Rice, Flacco, and Webb long term and try to bring back any of our other guys. I dont see us making any "big" free agent signings, especially at the WR position. We have never signed any big name WR's.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1327286160' post='966748']
Hahah. [b]Cut me some slack[/b], I'm on the RV from Foxborough . Lol, this ride could have been much better.
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i was agreeing with you bruh! lol!

~Mili

[Militant X 1]

because lee pissed me off the entire season and especially with that dropped td pass that could've and should've earned us a trip to the SB, i originally said to ax him. however, i now feel that we may need to keep him. the offseason gives him time to really heal up (his foot) and then training camp allows him to work with the other WRs and Joe to gain that trust and chemistry that was lacking. with a "new" O.C. that knows how to utilize the strengths of his offensive personel our offense could be a force that is hard to deal with.

~Mili

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='FootballMasta20' timestamp='1327537575' post='973774']
Every single time I see that dropped touchdown pass it infuriates me. How do you NOT make that catch!? Ugh. If I were him I would have grabbed that ball like my life depended on it. I have no doubt Q would have caught it. He has extremely strong hands. With all of this said I think he should be released. Too much money. We need to invest in a big athletic receiver like Colston or Jackson.
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He had the same opporunity last season in Pittsburgh. Q dropped a TD pass on the goal line last year in the Divisional game.

[gotekiraven]

For what Colston and Jackson wouild want you couild sign 3 Lee Evans and still have about $ 500,000 to spare. I am going to spit acid the next time I hear someone say Lee DROPED the ball. For the last time which I know it won't be the ball was KNOCKED OUT of his hands. In order for a ball to be knocked out of a receiver's hand, the receiver obviously must have had CAUGHT it to begin with. Here is something a lot of you maybe haven't figured out. If Cam remains the OC, no free agent in their right mind would come to Baltimore in the first place. Lee was the exception and didn't know what he was getting himself into under Cam's system. Look at what happened to T.J. Houshmandzadeh when he was here for one season. He was hardly used just like with what happened to Evans this season. When they aren't able to play, they can put up numbers, their numbers are what determine their market value. Why would a big name come here nowing that he might not be utilized the right way by Cam?

[-Truth-]

[quote name='gotekiraven' timestamp='1327556226' post='974278']
For what Colston and Jackson wouild want you couild sign 3 Lee Evans and still have about $ 500,000 to spare. I am going to spit acid the next time I hear someone say Lee DROPED the ball. For the last time which I know it won't be the ball was KNOCKED OUT of his hands. In order for a ball to be knocked out of a receiver's hand, the receiver obviously must have had CAUGHT it to begin with. Here is something a lot of you maybe haven't figured out. [b]If Cam remains the OC, no free agent in their right mind would come to Baltimore in the first place. Lee was the exception and didn't know what he was getting himself into under Cam's system. [/b]Look at what happened to T.J. Houshmandzadeh when he was here for one season. He was hardly used just like with what happened to Evans this season. When they aren't able to play, they can put up numbers, their numbers are what determine their market value. Why would a big name come here nowing that he might not be utilized the right way by Cam?
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Given that we traded for Lee, he didn't really have a choice in the matter. Just clarifying this tidbit.

[gotekiraven]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1327556326' post='974282']
Given that we traded for Lee, he didn't really have a choice in the matter. Just clarifying this tidbit.
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Granted, but it's abouit going forward, who represents the best value and ability and can fit within the cap.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='gotekiraven' timestamp='1327557105' post='974298']

Granted, but it's abouit going forward, who represents the best value and ability and can fit within the cap.
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And I didn't at all argue against that. The purpose of my comment was to clarify that he wasn't a FA. That's it.