MERGED: Evans

[Ravens Fan in Ontario]

I know everyone is down on Evans right now, and perhaps rightfully so. But the fact is he had the ball "knocked" out of his hand it wasn't just a blatant drop. That being said Evan should have fought for that catch no if's and's or but's.

I have a bigger fish to fry so to speak and that is Dickson! I have NEVER missed Todd Heap more than I did the last few games. Dickson is supposed to be the TE of the future but he has more trouble making a catch than ANY of our other RB\WR\TE's.

You want to fry Evans for a defensed pass (as it should be called based on the ruling) instead of jumping on the guys who are constantly dropping balls.

[arnie_uk]

my answer depends on this, is the draft before FA like last year, or does FA start before the draft like normal now theres no lock out?

if the draft is first, look for a WR, if you get one, let him go, if FA is first keep him, cant risk cutting him and not pick up another WR in the draft, and by this stage you have already paid him the roster bonus, so may as well keep him

[jus'_crAzy]

He was this year's Housh. That was my first thought when I saw who it was who dropped it. I'm done with FA WR's for a while. Let the youngins grow.

[scrock]

we neeed some big play receivers who can make BIG TIME catches

Torrey did it once against Pittsburgh but even he dropped the one right before

[callahan09]

Cut him. Not holding on to the game winning TD was absolutely criminal. Michael Irvin on NFL Network said it best: You've been waiting your entire life for this opportunity, to catch the game winning pass that sends your team to the Super Bowl, and the pass is perfectly thrown, it hits you right in the belly, you've got your hands on it, the LAST THING YOU DO is loosen up and relax, when that ball hits your hands, you squeeze her tighter than you've ever squeezed anything, squeeze it til the laces pop off of that ball, you don't let that ball go if your life depends on it. To use a cliche term: Evans dropped the ball, big time. He has to hold on to that football. There is no excuse. He was holding the Super Bowl in his hands, and he relaxed and let Moore take it away from him.

[Guest RBates]

Make the violent catch Lee ( snatch and grab) . No excuse for the lazy effort.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1327284653' post='966550']
He's owed a $1 million roster bonus in March and his salary is $3.275 million next season. He's not going to get any better physically and with Doss and LaQuan in the fold, I think the team should cut him.
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I agree. Too much of an injury risk as well. His speed hasn't been there. With the emergence of Torrey Smith, Evans isn't exactly needed. I'll be fine either way, but I can see the reasons if the Org decides to part ways.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ravens Fan in Ontario' timestamp='1327325744' post='968217']
[b]I know everyone is down on Evans right now, and perhaps rightfully so. But the fact is he had the ball "knocked" out of his hand it wasn't just a blatant drop. That being said Evan should have fought for that catch no if's and's or but's.[/b]

I have a bigger fish to fry so to speak and that is Dickson! I have NEVER missed Todd Heap more than I did the last few games. Dickson is supposed to be the TE of the future but he has more trouble making a catch than ANY of our other RB\WR\TE's.

You want to fry Evans for a defensed pass (as it should be called based on the ruling) instead of jumping on the guys who are constantly dropping balls.
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Go back and watch the highlight. Evans caught then relaxed his arm as he 'got ready' to celebrate. If Evans secures the ball, no knock would've taken that ball out. It wasn't even that much of a hit on the ball. Just a very weak hold.

If that was Boldin, you know he's securing the ball all the way through.

[jus'_crAzy]

[quote name='Ravens Fan in Ontario' timestamp='1327325744' post='968217']I know everyone is down on Evans right now, and perhaps rightfully so. But the fact is he had the ball "knocked" out of his hand it wasn't just a blatant drop. That being said Evan should have fought for that catch no if's and's or but's. I have a bigger fish to fry so to speak and that is Dickson! I have NEVER missed Todd Heap more than I did the last few games. Dickson is supposed to be the TE of the future but he has more trouble making a catch than ANY of our other RB\WR\TE's. You want to fry Evans for a defensed pass (as it should be called based on the ruling) instead of jumping on the guys who are constantly dropping balls.[/quote]
Agreed about Dickson. Evans, not so much. It's gonna take me a few months to get over the drop.

[ratedr]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1327328979' post='968331']


Go back and watch the highlight. Evans caught then relaxed his arm as he 'got ready' to celebrate. If Evans secures the ball, no knock would've taken that ball out. It wasn't even that much of a hit on the ball. Just a very weak hold.

If that was Boldin, you know he's securing the ball all the way through.
[/quote]Exactly, he got lazy. Moore barely even touched him. You can take the player out of Buffalo but you can't take the Buffalo out of the player.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1327329652' post='968363']
Exactly, he got lazy. Moore barely even touched him. [b]You can take the player out of Buffalo but you can't take the Buffalo out of the player.[/b]
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Good play.

I wonder if Buffalo fans are laughing at Evans today. Or shaking their heads because they hate the Pats.

[marylandmike12]

[quote name='Npane171' timestamp='1327307959' post='968003']

Dude, he made an excellent catch against the Texans. He played pretty well against the Pats today. He's proved himself over an 8 year career dude. He doesn't have to "prove himself" anymore, at least insofar as he is an athlete. Whether he is going to be a great Ravens receiver remains to be seen, since he was hurt the majority of the year. Further, when he came back he wasn't given much of an opportunity by Cam except here in the playoffs. You're acting like he just threw the ball on the ground. He got out played by a player who had a lot to prove today. Evans should have hung onto the ball, yes, but this ONE PLAY does not count him out yet.
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when he drops the game winning pass next year ill bring this up

[Lefkowitz]

i know it's knee jerk but i think the Micheal Irvin quote is pretty much how i feel also. you just can't miss that play. perfectly thrown pass by the way. joe did get us to the super bowl but lee blew it. cundiff shouldn't have even been a factor except kicking the extra point. i don't care if he is cut, if he stays, he better be superman next year. i'm bummed lee.

[Bltravens]

I'd keep him, I hate him right now for not holding on for dear life after he caught it but Id keep him next year. He and Torrey provide legitimate down field threats and as we saw yesterday Evans can be a threat and make plays when he actually gets on the field. What makes teams like the Packers and NYG passing games so effective is they have multiple guys that can beat you deep. No offense to anyone but what do ya'll think is going to happen with Boldin, Doss and Torrey Smith as the top 3 WRs next year? Teams will double Torrey over the top and play press man on Boldin and Doss. Exactly like the Texans game.

[marylandmike12]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1327325592' post='968210']
Are you typing with your nose?
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im sorry but i get tired at 3:04 if thats ok with you

[PuRock]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1327330734' post='968421']
I'd keep him, I hate him right now for not holding on for dear life after he caught it but Id keep him next year. He and Torrey provide legitimate down field threats and as we saw yesterday Evans can be a threat and make plays when he actually gets on the field. What makes teams like the Packers and NYG passing games so effective is they have multiple guys that can beat you deep. No offense to anyone but what do ya'll think is going to happen with Boldin, Doss and Torrey Smith as the top 3 WRs next year? Teams will double Torrey over the top and play press man on Boldin and Doss. Exactly like the Texans game.
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Well hopefully we get a new offensive coordinator who can be unpredictable in his formations to help those guys get open. Instead of just relying on the player to beat the defender one-on-one. I don't think we should cut Evans with the current team we have. But if we pick up somebody in FA then I could see us parting ways.

[gotekiraven]

Lee has been underutilized the whole season even when he got back from his injury. I say[b] if the money is right,[size=6] keep[/size][/b][b][size=6]him[/size].[/b] You just can't buy experience in the draft. Lee did his job, he caught the ball in the end zone, it just was stripped a few nanoseconds after he caught it. Harb and most of us knew it was touchdown, but the play couldn't be reviewed inside the 2:00 minutes. I would love to see a Lee Evans fully used from day one next season under a new OC.

[Dnyce215]

wow you want to cut Lee because of moore making a play? Really? SMH I'm from philly some of you act like the fans here. He made the catch but moore was aware of knocking the ball out, moore made a great decision to strip the ball, Lee made the catch but at the last second it was knocked out. Keep Lee he proved him self by showing up these two last games, he proved his worth by showing up.

[gotekiraven]

[quote name='marylandmike12' timestamp='1327300282' post='967849']
No he's already probaly costed us to our 2 super bowl win (cundiff to) why keep a guy in his 8th year did you see th ravens sideline when evans dropped the pass and cundiff missed the kick ed reed was pissed off. Don't even bring up the injury stuff because of course big ben can play with it but lee out for 6 weeks. Plus we wasted a draft pick
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Big difference. Ben can play on a bad ankle because, it's his throwing arm that counts. Lee Evan's speed is his asset, and tha is dependent solely on his ankle.

[scrock]

Honestly I think Lee Evans is back, he might take a pay cut...he wants to win a championship, he was injured and now he'll have a real offseason with this team and Joe

I think a new OC will be huge

[Bltravens]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1327331150' post='968440']

Well hopefully we get a new offensive coordinator who can be unpredictable in his formations to help those guys get open. Instead of just relying on the player to beat the defender one-on-one. I don't think we should cut Evans with the current team we have. But if we pick up somebody in FA then I could see us parting ways.
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For me it depends if retaining Grubbs is reliant on the money Evans would make. If it takes 3 mil more then cut Evans, Grubbs is far more important to the offense and our Oline could be in total disarray next year. We need everyone possible back. Birk is likely to retire (after playing well all year he picked a bad time to get bullied at the LOS) and who knows what happens with McKinnie (who I thought was pretty decent in pass protection yesterday after the first two drives).

[1/28/01]

[quote name='marylandmike12' timestamp='1327330796' post='968425']
im sorry but i get tired at 3:04 if thats ok with you
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All good...just gives me a chuckle.

[WV RAVEN]

Keep Evans

[Va BeaCh RaVeN]

What does Dennis Pitta have to do to replace Ed Dickson? I don't understand. I honestly don't think Pitta dropped a pass this year.

[Tank 92]

It depends on the options that are present. Lord knows we have a huge amount of time invested in Evans and his ankle should be good to go, if not now, by the start of next season.

He did make a huge mistake not securing the ball, but I swear it was a TD. He caught it, possessed it and took 2 steps while retaining posession. If it happened out in the middle of the field, do you think they would have called it a fumble? I know they would have at least reviewed it. I just can't understand why such an important play was not reviewed as it ultimately keeps us out of the SB.

Anyhoot, the mistake is over and I think, if healthy, Evans can be a Raven. Seems like he has a lot of heart and maybe he can find his form. And he owes us BIG TIME!

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Va BeaCh RaVeN' timestamp='1327336735' post='968798']
What does Dennis Pitta have to do to replace Ed Dickson? I don't understand. I honestly don't think Pitta dropped a pass this year.
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Run blocking.

[Va BeaCh RaVeN]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1327337226' post='968835']

Run blocking.
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Dickson's run blocking has been that much better? Wow...Pitta must be god awful at rb'ing then.

[-Truth-]

I'd say keep, but do approach him with an intent to lower his salary. We're not getting the 4th rounder back by releasing him, so there's no point in doing so before next season begins. Let's see what he's capable of after this offseason. If he once again underperforms, then let him go early on.

[scrock]

[quote name='Va BeaCh RaVeN' timestamp='1327336735' post='968798']
What does Dennis Pitta have to do to replace Ed Dickson? I don't understand. I honestly don't think Pitta dropped a pass this year.
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we dont need to replace one or the other, they are both getting better, we need to use both of them, Dickson is a big play guy he just needs to work on his hands..like Torrey

[Ravenslifer]

People keep comparing him to Housh and Stalls, but Stalls was/is always injured, and Housh was 34 years old. Lee will be 31 in March, he has a few good seasons left in the tank. We still need a bigger bodied number 1 receiver, but having Lee and Torrey would be crazy next year, especially if/when we hire an offensive coordinator who's not allergic to running sets with 3+ wideouts on the field at the same time. Imagine this: 5 wide with Vincent Jackson, Q, Torrey, Lee, and Doss. Try and stop that.