If The Defense Had Forced A Few More 3 And Outs...

[RedFire]

we needed to put up 30 and keep them below 30. we needed guys in coverage so it was hard to bring a lot of people...bltizing with 1on1 can be dangerous especially when you have YAC guys. brady ain't that mobile...slow him down by reading coverage and hope the front 3 and sometimes 4 has enough time to get a coverage sack.

we sent for the coverage sack instead of the blitz sack and Brady and them wasn't ready for the coverages we threw at them.

[TXRaven]

Can't put this on the Defense. Sure there are a few plays I think they would like to have back but they played very well as did the offense. Somehow it all went wide left.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='Jay D83' timestamp='1327280143' post='965994']



I don't think we held them to anything. Brady wasn't as HOT today as he usually is. He missed some easy throws/receivers drop some passes, 2 of which would've been FOR touchdowns. The D got some help and the final score/stats don't tell the whole story.
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he wasn´t as hot as usual because our defense didn´t let him to be. didn´t you watch the game? they took his weapons away for the most part. brady is still human after all. if he plays a GREAT defense he struggles like any other qb in the nfl!!!

[RedFire]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1327402213' post='970812']
we needed to put up 30 and keep them below 30. we needed guys in coverage so it was hard to bring a lot of people...bltizing with 1on1 can be dangerous especially when you have YAC guys. brady ain't that mobile...slow him down by reading coverage and hope the front 3 and sometimes 4 has enough time to get a coverage sack.

we sent for the coverage sack instead of the blitz sack and Brady and them wasn't ready for the coverages we threw at them.
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Realest post in this thread.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1327385328' post='970682']
Its got to stop though

Two years in a row Joe leads the game winning drive (potentially) and both times the pass is dropped

That has to end, guys better work on their hands....Torrey Smith needs to be more consistent
[/quote]

I see Joe finally getting home and his wife meeting him at the door and giving him a big hug. I feel so bad for him. He should definitely just get away from football for a little while, if I can't stop thinking about it I can only imagine how he feels.

[jus'_crAzy]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1327424367' post='971199']
Realest post in this thread.
[/quote]
Dude... did you just give props to yourself? Wow...

Anyways, OP is right. If we didn't allow them to score points, we would've won the game.

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[scrock]

[quote name='jus'_crAzy' timestamp='1327425226' post='971239']
Dude... did you just give props to yourself? Wow...

Anyways, OP is right. If we didn't allow them to score points, we would've won the game.

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[/quote]

its true if we had made some extra plays somewhere, but in a game of inches Lee Evans securing the football is the entire game

then they mess up the downs, Billy is rushed and we miss a FG...and we had a timeout? I would have put Joe out there and had him win the game right there haha

[Gtown Purple]

I have to agree that holding the Pats to 23 points is a good effort, definitely worthy of winning. Were there missed tackles? Yes, but that is to be expected with the offense NE runs. I must admit that the non INT on the Pats first drive hurt.

[ghost1986]

The best QB ever? Are you kidding me? The best QB's dont whine and cry after they get tapped. And they sure don't throw into double coverage against us to try and put the game away and end up with an interception. Yeah he is a great QB and has 3 rings, but he is not the best ever. Our Defense played good, but Ellerbe's missed tackles killed us and if anything, Tom Brady kept us in that game.

[hawkprey]

Guess what? If the D had let up 3 more points than they did, we would've gone for a TD instead of a FG to tie it and probably would've won 27-26.

[scrock]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1327426126' post='971258']
Guess what? If the D had let up 3 more points than they did, we would've gone for a TD instead of a FG to tie it and probably would've won 27-26.
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If BIlly makes a kick we go to OT

If we score nothing but TDs we never have to worry about a kicking game

these are all real things haha

[ravens88]

you cannot honestly complain about how our D played i mean the whole team played excellent i personally cannot nit pick or complain about how they played as unit they held brady to no touchdowns and played exactly how they needed to just one or two small thiongs and this game was a win im proud of this team

[ghost1986]

[quote name='ravens88' timestamp='1327426296' post='971272']
you cannot honestly complain about how our D played i mean the whole team played excellent i personally cannot nit pick or complain about how they played as unit they held brady to no touchdowns and played exactly how they needed to just one or two small thiongs and this game was a win im proud of this team
[/quote]
Yeah you're right. I gotta be proud of my team. I'm more proud with Joe Flacco than anyone though. I thought it was gonna be the Ray Rice show, but Flacco was the one who showed up big. And Pollard and Jimmy Smith made that interception happen.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1327282349' post='966269']
Was Brady sacked even once in this game? I don't think he was . That was a big problem .
[/quote]

Yes, but only once. Paul Kruger got him.

[CapoRocky]

If Evans would have fallen down with the ball in the end zone, then we would have won and not be hating Cundiff for the next ten years.

[757RavensFan]

Going into this game everyone was asking the questions how do we stop the Pats offense.
The Ravens did everything they needed to do on D to win this game.
Contain the Pats' TEs.....check
Keep Welker in check.....check
Make Brady uncomfortable and force TOs or bad throws.....check.
Brady's only score was on a sneak and he needed 2 attempts to do it.
The only thing the D didn't do well was stopping the run.

The D did more than enough to ensure a victory!!

I don't see how anyone can blame this on the defense.

[NE_winning]

The Ravens defense was good but it looked like the Patriots marched up and down the field and Brady just made bad plays in the redzone. Had Brady not got greedy and not throw a bomb to the likes of Matthew Slater (he must of forgot Randy Moss is not on the team anymore) the game wouldn't of had to go down to the "wire" (no pun intended Baltimore fans). Brady played his worst game of this season and the Patriots still came out on top. Tells you how the Patriots are a better team overall.

[redrum52]

The defense held them to their 2nd lowest point total of the season and I think Bradys worst qb rating of the season. If the offense had scored in the first quarter, or Dickson doesn't kill a drive to end the half, or Lee Evans takes that catch more seriously or MAYBE Cundiff does his damn job this would probably be talked about as one of the defenses best games. Remember all the talk of how we couldn't do well against a top passing attack? This thread has just brought back my post game anger.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1327428555' post='971343']
The defense held them to their 2nd lowest point total of the season and I think Bradys worst qb rating of the season. If the offense had scored in the first quarter, or Dickson doesn't kill a drive to end the half, or Lee Evans takes that catch more seriously or MAYBE Cundiff does his damn job this would probably be talked about as one of the defenses best games. Remember all the talk of how we couldn't do well against a top passing attack? [u][b]This thread has just brought back my post game anger.[/b][/u]
[/quote]

Hence your profile name, murder spelled backwards. LOL!!

[mfaulconumw]

Or if Lee Evans would have tucked away that catch....or if Cundiff would have made that field goal...either way, "ifs" don't do much for us at this point.

[ravens88]

[quote name='NE_winning' timestamp='1327428050' post='971326']
The Ravens defense was good but it looked like the Patriots marched up and down the field and Brady just made bad plays in the redzone. Had Brady not got greedy and not throw a bomb to the likes of Matthew Slater (he must of forgot Randy Moss is not on the team anymore) the game wouldn't of had to go down to the "wire" (no pun intended Baltimore fans). Brady played his worst game of this season and the Patriots still came out on top. Tells you how the Patriots are a better team overall.
[/quote]

really dude? Brady has weaknesses that the giants, steelers, and now the ravens all exploited He is good but those defences contained not "he just had a down game" go somewhere else with that crap.

[wayne]

I just read the title of this thread and the first post by the poster who created this thread and all I can say is , " Are you serious "? The defense did their job and held the Pats well under their average of 33 points I think. How many field goals did they have to resort to again? Also, the Pats offense is elite so while our D is also elite, it balances out, that's using the simple logic of " Law of Average ". If the O would have got going from the start, game wouldn't have came down to a Evans strip TD and a field goal. The D did its job by making the Pats punt on their last offensive possesion giving our offense one last chance to win it.

[Jamal]

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Thats as good as a defense can perform against an elite offense in todays NFL.

The "what if" game works both ways. What if Rice had a better game? What if Flacco didn't throw that pick, and didn't miss Smith and Leech for TD's? And on and on....

[cursona pirate]

what if game!

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327427487' post='971313']
Going into this game everyone was asking the questions how do we stop the Pats offense.
The Ravens did everything they needed to do on D to win this game.
Contain the Pats' TEs.....check
Keep Welker in check.....check
Make Brady uncomfortable and force TOs or bad throws.....check.
Brady's only score was on a sneak and he needed 2 attempts to do it.
[b]The only thing the D didn't do well was stopping the run.[/b]

The D did more than enough to ensure a victory!!

I don't see how anyone can blame this on the defense.
[/quote]

The Pats did sneak in some runs when the team had JJ out of the game (Kruger was in) and was playing further back for the pass but for the game the Pats ran:

31 carriers-96 yards-3.1 yards per carry

The Defense wasn't that bad vs the run.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='Jay D83' timestamp='1327280143' post='965994']



I don't think we held them to anything. [b]Brady wasn't as HOT today as he usually is[/b]. He missed some easy throws/receivers drop some passes, 2 of which would've been FOR touchdowns. The D got some help and the final score/stats don't tell the whole story.
[/quote]
What if he wasn't hot because our defense played well?

[TreTheRaven]

0 touchdowns thrown by Tom Brady. How many defenses around the league do that?

Lay off the defense.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='NE_winning' timestamp='1327428050' post='971326']
The Ravens defense was good but it looked like the Patriots marched up and down the field and Brady just made bad plays in the redzone. Had Brady not got greedy and not throw a bomb to the likes of Matthew Slater (he must of forgot Randy Moss is not on the team anymore) the game wouldn't of had to go down to the "wire" (no pun intended Baltimore fans). Brady played his worst game of this season and the Patriots still came out on top. Tells you how the Patriots are a better team overall.
[/quote]
It doesn't prove anything of the sort. In the waning moments, the Patriots had a chance to convert a first down and potentially finish the game. Tom Brady and Co. couldn't deliver. Your defense could've prevented Joe Flacco from getting his offense within FG range. But they couldn't deliver. Instead, the majority of your team waited anxiously on the sidelines, hoping for a Ravens miscue, of which they saw two crucial ones occur. I personally have yet to see a single article claiming that the Patriots played like the superior team. In fact, most have not alluded to the opinion that the Patriots were probably outplayed. I do congratulate you on the win, but while it was a very good game, no part of it whatsoever showed that the Ravens were the inferior ball club.

In addition, saying that New England marched up and down the field also doesn't hold much merit. Your offense produced 330 total yards, which is practically 100 yards shy of your season average. Your average of 4.9 yards per play was also a significant decrease from your average outputs. To put things in perspective, the Kansas City Chiefs finished with the same average of 4.9 for their 2011 campaign. They ranked 27th in that department. By no means am I proclaiming that you were completely shut out, but this certainly wasn't the astounding Patriots offense that we're used to seeing, especially considering how well they clicked the week prior to this one.

[RedFire]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1327448315' post='971864']
It doesn't prove anything of the sort. In the waning moments, the Patriots had a chance to convert a first down and potentially finish the game. Tom Brady and Co. couldn't deliver. Your defense could've prevented Joe Flacco from getting his offense within FG range. But they couldn't deliver. Instead, the majority of your team waited anxiously on the sidelines, hoping for a Ravens miscue, of which they saw two crucial ones occur. I personally have yet to see a single article claiming that the Patriots played like the superior team. In fact, most have not alluded to the opinion that the Patriots were probably outplayed. I do congratulate you on the win, but while it was a very good game, no part of it whatsoever showed that the Ravens were the inferior ball club.

In addition, saying that New England marched up and down the field also doesn't hold much merit. Your offense produced 330 total yards, which is practically 100 yards shy of your season average. Your average of 4.9 yards per play was also a significant decrease from your average outputs. To put things in perspective, the Kansas City Chiefs finished with the same average of 4.9 for their 2011 campaign. They ranked 27th in that department. By no means am I proclaiming that you were completely shut out, but this certainly wasn't the astounding Patriots offense that we're used to seeing, especially considering how well they clicked the week prior to this one.
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hook...line...and sinker!

close/lock thread.

[Mr. GM]

Its not the issue of forcing a few more 3 and outs. The issue(play) that happen in the second half that was mind boggling. The Patriots were at the Ravens 6 yd line, Brady was in shotgun with a RB to his right, the Ravens had only three down lineman, Brady saw this and audible to a draw! Please no more 3 lineman when your that close to the goaline.