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[Death_from_Above]

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. I think many of you have forgotten the woesome tale of the Ravens' QB. Here's a list of every Raven starting QB along with some other stats.

1996 - Vinny Testaverde (16 games)
1997 - Vinny Testaverde (13 games), Eric Zeier (3 games)
1998 - Jim Harbaugh (12 games), Eric Zeier (4 games)
1999 - Tony Banks (10 games), Stoney Case (4 games), Scott Mitchell (2 games)
2000 - Tony Banks (8 games), Trent Dilfer (8 games)
2001 - Elvis Grbac (14 games), Randall Cunningham (2 games)
2002 - Jeff Blake (10 games), Chris Redman (6 games)
2003 - Kyle Boller (9 games), Anthony Wright (7 games)
2004 - Kyle Boller (16 games)
2005 - Kyle Boller (9 games), Anthony Wright (7 games)
2006 - Steve McNair (16 games)
2007 - Kyle Boller (8 games), Steve McNair (6 games), Troy Smith (2 games)
2008 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2009 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2010 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2011 - Joe Flacco (16 games)

McNair has the best winning percentage 15 Ws/7 Ls = .682%; Joe Flacco 37 Ws/ 18 Ls = .673%
Trent Dillfer had the most playoff wins 4 Ws/ 0 Ls with a Super Bowl; Joe Flacco is now 5 Ws/3 Ls with all but one on the road

So on that list, who do you want? Trent Dillfer was labelled a "game manager", driven out of Tampa Bay, and did a one and done stint in Baltimore, yet he delivered the biggest offensive performance of the 2000 season in the Super Bowl. Do you want some more aging QBs at the end of their career ala Testaverde, McNair, Grbac, or Cunningham? Or do you want to go back to running out the likes of Boller, Redman, or Zeier?

Joe Flacco is the best QB this francise has ever had. Do you really want to roll the dice that you can get something better? That list of QBs is a horror show. Very few bright spots until you get to the last four years of stability with a QB that wins.

Edited by Death_from_Above, 22 January 2012 - 05:51 AM.

[raybaby]

Big Flacco supporter. Wearing his jersey proudly today!!

[Ravenslifer]

I'm telling you, half the problem with the haters isn't Joe. They want a running quarterback like Michael Vick. Joe isn't that, therefore they will never accept him. There have been several posters (especially last year after Vick did what he did to Washington) that are like "Vick and the running quarterbacks are the future."

[ravensdfan]

Ravenslifer, on 22 January 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

I'm telling you, half the problem with the haters isn't Joe. They want a running quarterback like Michael Vick. Joe isn't that, therefore they will never accept him. There have been several posters (especially last year after Vick did what he did to Washington) that are like "Vick and the running quarterbacks are the future."

This is my opinion as well. They always tout out Vick and Newton in their arguments. Since Tyrod is more their preference in style of QB they want him to be the starter. All well and good but, you know, just SAY that already. I'd have more respect for them. They are after all entitiled to their preference in style of QB. Stop making up garbage stats (i.e. picking and choosing what they want to use) and dissing Joe.

[Raven Hammer]

Death_from_Above, on 22 January 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. I think many of you have forgotten the woesome tale of the Ravens' QB. Here's a list of every Raven starting QB along with some other stats.

1996 - Vinny Testaverde (16 games)
1997 - Vinny Testaverde (13 games), Eric Zeier (3 games)
1998 - Jim Harbaugh (12 games), Eric Zeier (4 games)
1999 - Tony Banks (10 games), Stoney Case (4 games), Scott Mitchell (2 games)
2000 - Tony Banks (8 games), Trent Dilfer (8 games)
2001 - Elvis Grbac (14 games), Randall Cunningham (2 games)
2002 - Jeff Blake (10 games), Chris Redman (6 games)
2003 - Kyle Boller (9 games), Anthony Wright (7 games)
2004 - Kyle Boller (16 games)
2005 - Kyle Boller (9 games), Anthony Wright (7 games)
2006 - Steve McNair (16 games)
2007 - Kyle Boller (8 games), Steve McNair (6 games), Troy Smith (2 games)
2008 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2009 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2010 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2011 - Joe Flacco (16 games)

McNair has the best winning percentage 15 Ws/7 Ls = .682%; Joe Flacco 37 Ws/ 18 Ls = .673%
Trent Dillfer had the most playoff wins 4 Ws/ 0 Ls with a Super Bowl; Joe Flacco is now 5 Ws/3 Ls with all but one on the road

So on that list, who do you want? Trent Dillfer was labelled a "game manager", driven out of Tampa Bay, and did a one and done stint in Baltimore, yet he delivered the biggest offensive performance of the 2000 season in the Super Bowl. Do you want some more aging QBs at the end of their career ala Testaverde, McNair, Grbac, or Cunningham? Or do you want to go back to running out the likes of Boller, Redman, or Zeier?

Joe Flacco is the best QB this francise has ever had. Do you really want to roll the dice that you can get something better? That list of QBs is a horror show. Very few bright spots until you get to the last four years of stability with a QB that wins.

Finally someone who's memory is longer than one game. I also remember the time of Dry Deathlike Quarterbacking in Baltimore, Any Fan that suffered through that with me knows how lucky we are to have Joe Flacco. Ravenslifer is also right in that Some fans only want what they don't have and will never be happy with any QB for very long. Thank God the FO's memory is longer than the last game to.

[RavensButterfly]

Death_from_Above, on 22 January 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. I think many of you have forgotten the woesome tale of the Ravens' QB. Here's a list of every Raven starting QB along with some other stats.

1996 - Vinny Testaverde (16 games)
1997 - Vinny Testaverde (13 games), Eric Zeier (3 games)
1998 - Jim Harbaugh (12 games), Eric Zeier (4 games)
1999 - Tony Banks (10 games), Stoney Case (4 games), Scott Mitchell (2 games)
2000 - Tony Banks (8 games), Trent Dilfer (8 games)
2001 - Elvis Grbac (14 games), Randall Cunningham (2 games)
2002 - Jeff Blake (10 games), Chris Redman (6 games)
2003 - Kyle Boller (9 games), Anthony Wright (7 games)
2004 - Kyle Boller (16 games)
2005 - Kyle Boller (9 games), Anthony Wright (7 games)
2006 - Steve McNair (16 games)
2007 - Kyle Boller (8 games), Steve McNair (6 games), Troy Smith (2 games)
2008 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2009 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2010 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2011 - Joe Flacco (16 games)

McNair has the best winning percentage 15 Ws/7 Ls = .682%; Joe Flacco 37 Ws/ 18 Ls = .673%
Trent Dillfer had the most playoff wins 4 Ws/ 0 Ls with a Super Bowl; Joe Flacco is now 5 Ws/3 Ls with all but one on the road

So on that list, who do you want? Trent Dillfer was labelled a "game manager", driven out of Tampa Bay, and did a one and done stint in Baltimore, yet he delivered the biggest offensive performance of the 2000 season in the Super Bowl. Do you want some more aging QBs at the end of their career ala Testaverde, McNair, Grbac, or Cunningham? Or do you want to go back to running out the likes of Boller, Redman, or Zeier?

Joe Flacco is the best QB this francise has ever had. Do you really want to roll the dice that you can get something better? That list of QBs is a horror show. Very few bright spots until you get to the last four years of stability with a QB that wins.

This gave me the holy ghost. I almost shouted Amen. Arguably the best visual depiction of why Joe flacco should be given a personal ceremony where we actually crown him the franchise quarter back while bowing down at his feet.

[Ravenslifer]

Man Elvis Grbac, Eric Zeier and Stony Case. Don't know why but those names always, always give me the shivers. I almost forgot Randall played for us when he was like 45.

[grape drank]

Cam is to blame! Not Joe, let this horse run, set it free, loose him from these chains Cam has restricted him with. We win in spite of cam, not because of cam.

[PurpleDrink]

Tony Banks in the house!!! Lol

[cobrajet]

Considering what we had (McNair maybe the exception), I prefer Joe. I felt that Grbac did not have the heart of a warrior.

[BMORElegacy]

Also to note, Joe has been the only QB to start in the last four years (only TWO QBs played an entire season previously). He's tough as nails and brings consistency to the offense.

Go get 'em today Joe.

[Ravenslifer]

cobrajet, on 22 January 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Considering what we had (McNair maybe the exception), I prefer Joe. I felt that Grbac did not have the heart of a warrior.

I feel that Grbac put up good numbers in a weak division when he had a lot of talent around him - in fact his go-to-guy was former Brown/Raven Derrick Alexander who was very good for a stretch of time. The Oakland Raiders were the only good defense in the AFC West at the time - the other 3 teams he played (that was back when there were 3 divisions in each conference) were bottom feeder defenses. Then Grbac comes here - less talent plus facing much better defenses - the weakest teams here had better defenses than the AFC West (except for the Titans). So then he comes back down to Earth. It would be like looking at what Matt Cassel did last year on the Chiefs, then sticking him on the Browns this year and asking him to have the same success.

[Ravenslifer]

BMORElegacy, on 22 January 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

Also to note, Joe has been the only QB to start in the last four years (only TWO QBs played an entire season previously). He's tough as nails and brings consistency to the offense.

Go get 'em today Joe.

I'll always remember the end of 2009 where he had the bruise on his hip and you could tell he couldn't plant and throw, he had to arm all of his passes. Never even mentioned it once.

[ravensfan520]

Now we need to look at the offensive weapons these qbs had... and coordinators... that does make some difference.

Edited by ravensfan520, 22 January 2012 - 02:06 PM.

[Sir Spooky]

Thanks for putting this up. It's good to see what life was like before Joe got here. I don't want to see a QB carousel like that again.

[jaege]

Death_from_Above, on 22 January 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. I think many of you have forgotten the woesome tale of the Ravens' QB. Here's a list of every Raven starting QB along with some other stats.

1996 - Vinny Testaverde (16 games)
1997 - Vinny Testaverde (13 games), Eric Zeier (3 games)
1998 - Jim Harbaugh (12 games), Eric Zeier (4 games)
1999 - Tony Banks (10 games), Stoney Case (4 games), Scott Mitchell (2 games)
2000 - Tony Banks (8 games), Trent Dilfer (8 games)
2001 - Elvis Grbac (14 games), Randall Cunningham (2 games)
2002 - Jeff Blake (10 games), Chris Redman (6 games)
2003 - Kyle Boller (9 games), Anthony Wright (7 games)
2004 - Kyle Boller (16 games)
2005 - Kyle Boller (9 games), Anthony Wright (7 games)
2006 - Steve McNair (16 games)
2007 - Kyle Boller (8 games), Steve McNair (6 games), Troy Smith (2 games)
2008 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2009 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2010 - Joe Flacco (16 games)
2011 - Joe Flacco (16 games)

McNair has the best winning percentage 15 Ws/7 Ls = .682%; Joe Flacco 37 Ws/ 18 Ls = .673%
Trent Dillfer had the most playoff wins 4 Ws/ 0 Ls with a Super Bowl; Joe Flacco is now 5 Ws/3 Ls with all but one on the road

So on that list, who do you want? Trent Dillfer was labelled a "game manager", driven out of Tampa Bay, and did a one and done stint in Baltimore, yet he delivered the biggest offensive performance of the 2000 season in the Super Bowl. Do you want some more aging QBs at the end of their career ala Testaverde, McNair, Grbac, or Cunningham? Or do you want to go back to running out the likes of Boller, Redman, or Zeier?

Joe Flacco is the best QB this francise has ever had. Do you really want to roll the dice that you can get something better? That list of QBs is a horror show. Very few bright spots until you get to the last four years of stability with a QB that wins.

I am a complete Flacco supporter. He is our guy, and hopefully will be for a long time. That said, your argument isn't really valid. Any Flacco haters certainly would not want to go backward. I would assume they would agree that our QB situation was dismal. Likely they would agree that Flacco is better than anything we used to have. I think they are of the mind that he is not good enough. They want to get Tom Brady, or Drew Brees or someone else that will puff up their fantasy football stats. Of course they never really tell us how we are supposed to do that. Personally, I am not certain a Brady or Brees would fit our scheme anyway. Joe may very well be the best QB we could have considering our offensive style.

Edited by jaege, 22 January 2012 - 12:03 PM.

[PainKiller]

Wearing my Flacco jersey for the first time this year.

[ROH522155]

Joe Flacco has thrown 20+ touchdown passes for 3 straight years. You have to go back 15 years to 1996 (Testaverde) to find the last Ravens QB to throw 20 TDs in a season.

[ArmyRavensFan]

Ravenslifer, on 22 January 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

I'm telling you, half the problem with the haters isn't Joe. They want a running quarterback like Michael Vick. Joe isn't that, therefore they will never accept him. There have been several posters (especially last year after Vick did what he did to Washington) that are like "Vick and the running quarterbacks are the future."

And Vick and the "Dream Team" at home on the couch and didnt even make the playoffs.

[mdrsharon]

Joe is just not an emotional guy.
Sometimes I wish he would show more passion, but we have Ray and Suggs for that.
I still think he is really restricted in his game by Cam, and let's not forget all of the receiving corps who drop key balls when it is right there!
GO RAVENS!!! win today!