Flacco Has To Win Sunday To Be Better Than Average

[funky141]

Flacco has to win Sunday to be better than average QB is so true. Winning playoff games, winning on the road and putting up okay stats is all good but if Flacco is to be "better than average" QB he needs to get his team to the Super Bowl.
I read all the time Flacco is better than your average NFL Qb and I don't think he is yet.
Flacco gets all the criticism but rightfully so since his numbers are not great but he has won games and too me that's the number one stats that means the most.
Flacco is good, strong arm, good football knowledge but hasn't taken his team to the Super Bowl and this Sunday can change all the negative talk to positive talk for Flacco.
I'll be pulling for you this Sunday Joe, good luck and beat the Patriots.

[Clutch Ravens]

He has helped the team to 4 post-season berths in his first four years, compiling a 5-3 record with 2 AFC Championship Game appearances.

I'd say he's "better than average" already.

[Alexir]

Joe will do just fine against the Pats defense. This is the same defense that has actually put Julian Edelman in the secondary and the same team that put Devin McCourty at corner then safety then corner then safety.

If he doesn't carve them up, I would be shocked but he probably won't because Ray Rice will run all over them first.

[SaVaGe]

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He has helped the team to 4 post-season berths in his first four years, compiling a 5-3 record with 2 AFC Championship Game appearances.

I'd say he's "better than average" already.
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I'd say he is better than average during the regular season. However his performances in the post season have been average or below. (Mostly below) This coming from a huge Flacco supporter. With that said I hope he goes off on Sunday, win or loss(preferably win) and shuts up his critics.

[Ravenslifer]

Nope. I bet even if we win the game, Joe will be right and "he'll have had nothing to do with why the Ravens won."

[BMORElegacy]

So Rivers is below average?

[cougarpines]

So true, Marino never won. What a journeyman

[funky141]

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So Rivers is below average?
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Right now he is...

[callahan09]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1327064061' post='959758']
Flacco has to win Sunday to be better than average QB is so true. Winning playoff games, winning on the road and putting up okay stats is all good but if Flacco is to be "better than average" QB he needs to get his team to the Super Bowl.
I read all the time Flacco is better than your average NFL Qb and I don't think he is yet.
Flacco gets all the criticism but rightfully so since his numbers are not great but he has won games and too me that's the number one stats that means the most.
Flacco is good, strong arm, good football knowledge but hasn't taken his team to the Super Bowl and this Sunday can change all the negative talk to positive talk for Flacco.
I'll be pulling for you this Sunday Joe, good luck and beat the Patriots.
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So if a quarterback doesn't lead his team to a super bowl appearance he can't be anything other than "average"? Does anybody realize that there are degrees in between "average" and "elite"? I say he's above average based on his accomplishments. I would agree that no elite quarterback goes an entire career without at least playing in a Super Bowl... maybe even without winning one (though that's a stretch to say Marino wasn't elite)... really, you have to look at the body of work, at all the accomplishments on display, and then you can make a statement, you can't just really pull out one single requirement and say "THIS. THIS is the one thing that defines elite".

[Hardbaugh]

I'm tired of hearing about Flacco's playoff record. His stats in the playoffs are mediocre to bad and he's been carried by the rest of the team in wins. He hasn't shown in the playoffs the team can rely on him if needed, to ascend above mediocrity he has to step his game up in the playoffs. If not he's just a run of the mill caretaker and not worth getting the big bucks when his time is due. That said, I'll be rooting hard for Flacco to bury N.E. and win his first Super Bowl!!!

[PainKiller]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1327065592' post='959769']
Right now he is...
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Rivers is definitely not below average. I guess you didnt see what he did to the Ravens this year? I guess you have never seen the Chargers play the Colts with Manning? Not to turn this into more Flacco bashing, but I would take Rivers over Flacco in a second.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I disagree. Flacco has to win on Sunday to avoid the media avalanche that would surely follow a loss/bad performance from him but I don't think that the perception of him will change drastically any time soon unless he gets a ring, maybe not unless he's the Super Bowl MVP.

[scrock]

For FLacco to win his guys have to go out and win on offense too...joe cant do it alone, the WRs and TEs must win, Cam Cameron must call good plays, the OL must block

[funky141]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1327066147' post='959775']
I'm tired of hearing about Flacco's playoff record. His stats in the playoffs are mediocre to bad and he's been carried by the rest of the team in wins. He hasn't shown in the playoffs the team can rely on him if needed, to ascend above mediocrity he has to step his game up in the playoffs. If not he's just a run of the mill caretaker and not worth getting the big bucks when his time is due. That said, I'll be rooting hard for Flacco to bury N.E. and win his first Super Bowl!!!
[/quote]

This says it all to a T....

Hey I'm on the Purple train for the playoffs living 45 miles from Baltimore and being a Colts fan you can see why I want the Ravens to crush the Patriots on Sunday. Flacco stats are mediocre but that all can be erased with a win on Sunday....

[slayback0317]

Flacco's stats are Medicore because thats how we run our team we play great Defense we run the ball with our star Running back and Joe does what he need to witrh the plays that are given to us to win games. And that formula has been working good considering playoff appearences in all 4 years hes been in the league and 3 years of double digit wins. Why would anyone complain about something that works. Nobodys perfect and not every QB can be Joe montana so be happy that we have Flacco and we have a better chance then 28 other teams to win a superbowl!

[Jamal]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1327065592' post='959769']
Right now he is...
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[757RavensFan]

Shouldn't the title be, "Flacco has to be better than average on Sunday to Win?"

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1327065592' post='959769']
Right now he is...
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Guy had a down season. But he still threw over 4600 yards, had 27 TDs, a QB rating of 89, and finished with a QB rating of 123 or better in four of his last 5 games - including the game against us. I don't consider any of that below average, especially if you consider it a down season.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1327070655' post='959828']
Shouldn't the title be, "Flacco has to be better than average on Sunday to Win?"
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Nope. His point is a win Sunday will silence Flacco's critics. I don't believe it for a second, and I don't believe Flacco will ever be more than he his as long as he's hitched to Cam Cameron. No matter what happens on Sunday (unless he explodes and throws for 350 and 4 TDs) Flacco will still be considered a game manager who is carried by his defense.

[Clutch Ravens]

Does that mean Peyton Manning was average until 2006?

[Gordo52]

No average QB wins this much

[757RavensFan]

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Does that mean Peyton Manning was average until 2006?
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And Marino below avg b/c he never won the big game! [/sarcasm]

[funky141]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1327076339' post='959933']
Does that mean Peyton Manning was average until 2006?
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You could easily say that in a way. Manning was always bashed for not winning the AFC game for years. He was always labeled
"can't win the big one" till he did it in 2006.

I'm not bashing Flacco, just saying his rep will sky-rocket if he wins this game Sunday. Why is that so hard to understand?

[D-Rey]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1327077977' post='959982']
You could easily say that in a way. Manning was always bashed for not winning the AFC game for years. He was always labeled
"can't win the big one" till he did it in 2006.

I'm not bashing Flacco, just saying his rep will sky-rocket if he wins this game Sunday. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Because you said he is an average QB. But we believe with what he is done, he is above average. Not elite, but above average.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1327078477' post='959992']
Because you said he is an average QB. But we believe with what he is done, he is above average. Not elite, but above average.
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I will say I don't expect a lot more out of this personnel than what we're getting.

[DMH_in_WA]

The truth is, if Joe wants the respect of people outside of the Ravens fan base, it's not going to be good enough just to win. Flacco is going to have to show up big. Fair or not, whatever stats he has, no matter how many wins he has the majority of people in this country think that Flacco has only won because of the Ravens D. He's Dilfer. Argue it all you want, that's the perception for most of the country.

We can sit here and point out all the stats we want, it won't make a difference. It has already been put out in the public conscience that the Patriots' passing defense is not just bad, but historically bad. If Joe comes out and goes 14/32 for 150 yards against that D, in their minds it will validate what they have been saying all along and he is going to be dismissed and disrespected in the media come Sunday night/Monday. If he struggles against that defense, he is going to be completely buried by the media.

Honestly, the only way he comes out of this game not getting hammered in the media is to come up big or to come up clutch at the end. And not lucky clutch (a hail mary in the closing seconds). A deliberate clutch like Week 6 in Pittsburgh. I can't see how anything else will do.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1327070955' post='959836']

Nope. His point is a win Sunday will silence Flacco's critics. I don't believe it for a second, and I don't believe Flacco will ever be more than he his as long as he's hitched to Cam Cameron. No matter what happens on Sunday (unless he explodes and throws for 350 and 4 TDs) Flacco will still be considered a game manager who is carried by his defense.
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I think we all know what will happen Sunday. Flacco throws for 275 yards, 3 TDs including the game winning TD, and everyone will be talking about "that Ravens defense".

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1327081111' post='960046']


I think we all know what will happen Sunday. Flacco throws for [b]275 yards[/b], 3 TDs including the game winning TD, and everyone will be talking about "that Ravens defense".
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Against NE's 2ndary? You think this week was bad? My god he'll be crucified on NFL Network all week!

[Crabcakes&Football]

So let me see if I understand this right. In terms of winning: the Super bowl is above-average, the playoffs are average, then that would make every QB and team that does not make them below-average? We are one of four teams left in it, there are 28 teams at home wishing they could be in our position. Definitely above-average.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1327085047' post='960158']

Against NE's 2ndary? You think this week was bad? My god he'll be crucified on NFL Network all week! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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Seriously. He is going to have to light them up. Completely. They are now saying that the New England pass defense is the 2nd worst in the history of the NFL. If he comes up short against that, I can't even imagine what the media will do. It would be brutal.