Flacco Or Troy

[72Marshall]

The stupidity of this is beyond belief.

I mean this with everything I have;

Sports fans are without a doubt the dumbest most ignorant miss informed people on the face of the earth. I mean it; name me one other form of "ENTERTAINMENT" where the fan is as oblivious and down right ignorant in any other profession.

I don't know if it's because I live and have lived in Baltimore all my life, but every year it gets harder and harder to be a fan. I can't listen to anything pre, or post game when the team is doing bad, because the stupidity oozes from every radio and television show. The sports writers are just dying for this team to do bad because they lack the talent to write anything positive. When you go to a game you

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[72Marshall]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='75351' date='Oct 12 2008, 05:22 PM']Yeah, that sucks...

Hopefully he takes us to 2-15 and throws 76 interceptions that way he can be twice as good as Peyton Manning.

Guess the logic is the more he struggles the better he will be...who knew? All this time we thought Boller was a bum...and to think all those years Boller struggled was him really preparing to go down as a legend and we blew it by drafting Flacco....Can you imagine how great Boller's going to be? Easily will go down in history as the best Qb to have ever lived. I mean 5-6? horrible struggling seasons...that's a gold mine. What ever team gets him next year will hit the jackpot.

What the hell were the Bengals thinking benching Carson Palmer for his rookie season...That guys a bum. Guess they didn't get the Manning memo.[/quote]


And tell me what has Troy done to prove otherwise?? What was the result of his last college game?? What was the result of his last preseason game??

[we need a QB]

i vote troy smith

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='75308' date='Oct 12 2008, 04:49 PM']Soooooo.....Now that you all have had the wool stripped away from your eyes (like a football from Flacco's hands) and are now seeing what others and myself have been seeing for the last several games, I will re-ask my question once again. (the same questioned that everyone criticized and hated on but still were so certain they knew the answer)


Does Joe Flacco give our team the BEST chance at winning?

Or am I still a "Biased Troy Lover" who knows nothing about football?[/quote]

Yes and yes. Joe's the long-term answer.

[tweety]

Now Flacco is being compared to Eli and Peyton Manning before it was Big Ben. I say we should atleast give him 2 more games they should be give me's.

We well be 4-3 in no time, and get rid of this 3 game losing streak.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='72Marshall' post='75361' date='Oct 12 2008, 05:29 PM'][b]And tell me what has Troy done to prove otherwise??[/b] What was the result of his last college game?? What was the result of his last preseason game??[/quote]


Uh, That's the point.....Is Troy a better option than Flacco? That answer can go either way 50-50. Could Troy or Bouman possibly do any worse than Flacco? That answer is [u]NO![/u]

What would be losing? It's not like Flacco is going to the pro bowl this year.

Would you really miss his 1td pass, 8? interceptions, 6 fumbles? lack of production, and horrible decision making? (So many turnovers I lost track.)

Anything [i]other[/i] than Flacco right now would give us a better chance at winning ball games.

[b]What was the result of his last college game?? What was the result of his last preseason game??[/b]

What was the result of Joe Flacco's last 3 REGULAR SEASON GAMES IN THE NFL???

[we need a QB]

[quote name='Zhamtao' post='75392' date='Oct 12 2008, 05:50 PM']Yes and yes. Joe's the long-term answer.[/quote]



Does Joe Flacco give our team the BEST chance at winning? NO


not with the season getting harder as it rolls on i dont even see joe beating the fin's next week or scoring a passing TD in the red zone against them

[tweety]

If you are looking to win the next game sure Troy gives us a better chance, if you are looking build a dynasty for the next decade, I say stick with Flacco and look for improvement.

[bkirha1]

Again...
[i][b]How would we look reversing our statement of joe being the season starter? What does that say about us?[/b][/i]

[RavensIQ]

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[bkirha1]

So here is what your willing to risk...
Joe loses his confidence because he is benched. He becomes a bust.
Harbaugh looks like a confused, out of touch coach, who makes quick decisions and flip flops.
The team, more specifically the Defense, loses faith in the offense, loses respect for the coach who cant decide, and eventually tank it, or want to leave, because they are tired of the other side of the ball always being in disarray.

We have seen Troy play, he was bumjuice in the preseason, doesn't anyone remember? It's not like he was outshining everyone else. Things happened. Joe started. We absolutely have to stick to our guns, and ride or die with #5

[72Marshall]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='75408' date='Oct 12 2008, 06:04 PM']Uh, That's the point.....Is Troy a better option than Flacco? That answer can go either way 50-50. Could Troy or Bouman possibly do any worse than Flacco? That answer is [u]NO![/u]

What would be losing? It's not like Flacco is going to the pro bowl this year.

Would you really miss his 1td pass, 8? interceptions, 6 fumbles? lack of production, and horrible decision making? (So many turnovers I lost track.)

Anything [i]other[/i] than Flacco right now would give us a better chance at winning ball games.

[b]What was the result of his last college game?? What was the result of his last preseason game??[/b]

What was the result of Joe Flacco's last 2 REGULAR SEASON GAMES IN THE NFL???[/quote]

Ok, so you can't bring yourself to say that Troy offers nothing that Flacco does. You've made the point for me though. Troy Smith has nothing that can give the team a better chance of winning, so we will have a losing season regardless of whose playing qb. Joe Flacco was drafted to be the franchise so since there is nothing better waiting in the wings it's best to keep Joe out there to learn and get better. If Flacco starts out 2 - 6 but goes 6 - 2 in the second half then it will be worth it to have taken our lumps this year. They've already invested a lot in Flacco, you can't take it back, they'll either go down in flames with him for the next 2 years or they'll win for the next 5 or 6 or more years with him. But the point is Flacco is the starting qb and will remain the starting qb. Troy Smith lost the chance the day the drafted Flacco, it should have been next year but crap happens and it turned out to be this year. I don't feel bad for him, I used to but all this stupidity with people wanting Troy has made me wish Troy would be traded or would have been put on IR. The fans are going to turn this guy into a cancer, he's already an arrogant punk with only himself in mind and this stuff doesn't make it any better....

[rlh445]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='75408' date='Oct 12 2008, 06:04 PM']Uh, That's the point.....Is Troy a better option than Flacco? That answer can go either way 50-50. Could Troy or Bouman possibly do any worse than Flacco? That answer is [u]NO![/u]

What would be losing? It's not like Flacco is going to the pro bowl this year.

Would you really miss his 1td pass, 8? interceptions, 6 fumbles? lack of production, and horrible decision making? (So many turnovers I lost track.)

Anything [i]other[/i] than Flacco right now would give us a better chance at winning ball games.

[b]What was the result of his last college game?? What was the result of his last preseason game??[/b]

What was the result of Joe Flacco's last 3 REGULAR SEASON GAMES IN THE NFL???[/quote]


Don't you understand that the point you're trying to make is full of irony, because it is actually PROVING everyone else's. 'It's not like Flacco is going to the Pro Bowl..' And?? Is Troy Smith?? No. So, what's your point? Everyone else is trying to stick together, and I expect the same out of every real Ravens fan, because I expect the exact same from my football team. I HOPE TO GOD that they're not going to try and stage a coup and throw Joe under the bus. The funny thing about most of the posts in here..you could switch Joe's and Troy's names and we'd still be making the same point. Yours are the few posts here that you couldn't do that, because you ARE biased towards Troy..it doesn't take a genius to figure that out, and the avatar is a pretty clear sign. You would be sticking up for Troy in this situation, not looking to trade up in the middle of the year. It wouldn't have to do with team chemistry, or taking away Troy's confidence, it'd be because you are out and out, a Troy hugger. And there is no way you can use stats to prove me wrong, although I'm sure you'll try. Maybe one day you'll become a real football fan, and realize that sometimes, SOMETIMES, there is more to the game then a stat sheet.

[bkirha1]

aha...."TROY HUGGER"

hee hee hee

[we need a QB]

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[bkirha1]

Your point only makes sense if you knew Troy Smith was going to be the next Donovan McNabb.
Your point only makes sense if you knew we wouldn't lose another game with Troy at the helm.
Your point only makes sense if you knew that Joe Flacco was going to turn out like Ryan Leaf
And since you don't/can't know any of these things,
Your point doesn't really make any sense.

[PuRock]

Where's the option for a push?

I do not watch practices, or talk to guys. I have no idea what Troy can do, or what Flacco can become. If the coaches want to go with Flacco, then I'm a Flacco supporter. If they want to bench Flacco for Smith, I'm a Smith supporter.

There's a thin line between Flacco being a rookie w/ growing pains, and a team that looks offensively horrible. To say we should go one way or another, is not a decision that I need to make, luckily.

[LuvoftheGame]

Please do not compare Flacco to Manning. Flacco was the number 3 guy until everyone ahead of him got hurt or sick. He is playing like he is a number 3 and has no clue of what he is doing. He stands in the pocket like he cannot get sacked. That is either stupidity or arrogance. I am beginning to believe it is a combination of both.

[FerrariFan87]

Are we really going to do this kind of stuff ALL season? Flacco is the guy, barring injury, this season. Get over it already. Sheesh...

[samic]

[quote name='nevermore621' post='75311' date='Oct 12 2008, 04:49 PM']I voted Flacco becuase I don't see us throwing in the towel on him, not now, not ever. He will learn just like Eli Manning did. Eli was questioned for a couple of years by the NY Giants faithful. Look at where he is now with a good fundamental football team around him.

Not that I don't like Troy, because I do. But he is not the answer -- he has less experience than Flacco now in the NFL!!!

What is needed is far better play as a TEAM, and as a WHOLE!!![/quote]

wow... this is the argument against troy now!!! that is so funny. i can hardly believe it. this is how we know that the #1 draft pick comes into play here and all the money he got when he signed because if boller was playing this kind of football everyone would be calling for troy! imo if you play rubbish you should ride the bench. ask matt leinart, vince young, jp losman, charlie frye and alex smith. flacco didn't win the job, he was handed the job... it might be his for now but i don't think he should keep it if he is playing rubbish? how much longer are we gonna sit through games where he just isn't getting our offense going? he holds on to the ball way too long, isn't elusive in the pocket, turns the ball over, under or over throws his receivers. oh and by the way, when manning got drafted by the colts they were not a playoff team... they were building no where near playoff caliber... our team can make it to the playoffs with solid game management and ball control by the QB and an offense that can put points on the board. so please do not compare the two.

[samic]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='75448' date='Oct 12 2008, 06:35 PM']Are we really going to do this kind of stuff ALL season? Flacco is the guy, barring injury, this season. Get over it already. Sheesh...[/quote]

hope you continue to say that if he struggles for the next five years like someone else we drafted in the 1st round!!! i really can't believe you guys sometimes.

[JO_75]

Flacco hands down. Sure he has some bad games and yes he is making mistakes like holding the ball too long and not throwing the ball out of bounds when he needs to. But he has shown some major improvement. I heard from one of the TV broadcasters that if Flacco had gotten more reps with the starting offense in training camp and pre-season he would be more further along. Give him a break. I like Flacco and I think he is our QB that we have been waiting for. If you look at the schedule, the Ravens can easily be 6-3 by week 10. They play the Dolphins next week who are coming off a loss to the Texans, we play the Raiders who are a complete mess, and than we play the Browns and Texans after that. That's an easy 4 straight wins right there, those 4 opponents are a combined 5-14. Just wait and see, Flacco will be better.

[PuRock]

[quote name='samic' post='75465' date='Oct 12 2008, 06:55 PM']hope you continue to say that if he struggles for the next five years like someone else we drafted in the 1st round!!! i really can't believe you guys sometimes.[/quote]

Five years....Five games....hmmmmmm

[bkirha1]

[size=7]The Guy has Played 5 Games![/size]

[samic]

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[bkirha1]

and then they all expressed their support for Joe...

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='rlh445' post='75428' date='Oct 12 2008, 06:16 PM']Don't you understand that the point you're trying to make is full of irony, because it is actually PROVING everyone else's. 'It's not like Flacco is going to the Pro Bowl..' And?? Is Troy Smith?? No. S[b]o, what's your point?[/b] Everyone else is trying to stick together, and I expect the same out of every real Ravens fan, because I expect the exact same from my football team. I HOPE TO GOD that they're not going to try and stage a coup and throw Joe under the bus. The funny thing about most of the posts in here..you could switch Joe's and Troy's names and we'd still be making the same point. Yours are the few posts here that you couldn't do that, [b]because you ARE biased towards Troy..[/b]it doesn't take a genius to figure that out, and the avatar is a pretty clear sign. [b]You would be sticking up for Troy in this situation, not looking to trade up in the middle of the year. [/b] It wouldn't have to do with team chemistry, or taking away Troy's confidence, it'd be because you are out and out, a Troy hugger. And there is no way you can use stats to prove me wrong, although I'm sure you'll try. [b]Maybe one day you'll become a real football fan, and realize that sometimes, SOMETIMES, there is more to the game then a stat sheet.[/b][/quote]


You are about as ignorant as one could be. And by ignorant I don't mean rude, I mean showing lack of knowledge or ANY SIGN of intelligence.

How do you know Troy or Bouman isn't a better option than Flacco? The thing is, just as I can't prove my point is correct, you can not prove yours is either. So how can I be more wrong than you?

I'm willing to be wrong in order to, in the end, be right. You obviously aren't. If you think your right and I think I'm right, that means one of us is wrong...but neither can prove it so how the hell can you criticize my point of view and reject the chance it could be you? Ignorance at it's highest level. But back to football Bcuz I love correcting foolish people.

I am not biased towards Troy because I think Flacco doesn't give us the best chance to win. What a moron. If a one legged man kept losing a foot race does that mean your biased if you think 2 feet are better than 1??

I don't know if Troy gives us the best chance to win, but what I do know is that Flacco definitely isn't putting W's on the scoreboard. And that Flacco's play is horrible at best. And that it wasn't the defenses fault he only scored 3 points ( in the 4th quarter against a colts D that didn't give a dam)

Maybe one day, maybe...you'll give an argument with facts. And yes, I do realize that SOMETIMES, there is more to a game than just stats......[u]WINS.[/u]

Just because I'm not on the "developing the future" roller coaster doesn't mean I'm a lesser fan. In fact, you're the one that doesn't mind our team losing so long Flacco gets his "development" (if you want to call it that). So what does that say about you?? I want to see our team WIN NOW. Screw Tomorrow, there's no better time than TODAY. Do you know what the difference is between Winners and [size=3]LOSERS[/size]

Winners [b]don't accept[/b] losing.

[mpplaya07]

what is it with you guy's? are you guys even true fans or what.... Stand behind your freaking team no matter what....Flacco is doing bad right now, yes i will agree but thats just how having a rookie qb goes... theirs alot of reasons why were on a 3 skid loosing streak...Get over it, smith probably wont start.. if he does then ill root for him but untill then i supot flacco 100%, todays game was horrbile on both sides of the ball.... when flacco was in the pocket looking for someone to hit, NO ONE WAS OPEN.....Please tell me what he suppose to do.. he didnt force throws except for one.. The fist pick happens, cant preven that... The fumbles go 50-50.... I mean do we even give this guy a chance to throw the freaking ball down the field no, why cause their doing all these dinky lil 5 yr passes or the screen passes and expect our receivers to run 10+ yards... I mean this team has a way to go on offense and DEFENSE but we should improve off of this.. We play the dolphins,raiders and so on comming up so lets see how we do then....

[bkirha1]

Yea, winners EARN their spot. Flacco wasn't even a Raven and Troy got his audition. Just the fact that we drafted a QB a year after Troy should have told you he didn't get picked for the part.
He basically had the spot ready for him in the preseason, and he didn't do anything to rise above the others. He had his shot...

Now granted, the job fell into Joe's hands, he didn't earn it outright. But in my mind, from what I have seen so far this year, he earned his spot when we was asked to fill in.
Everyone on this forum in the first three weeks loved Joe. Everyone was impressed, surprised, shocked etc. The naysayers were jumping on the bandwagon left & right.
He EARNED the respect of this teammates, coaches, and the fans. Now its time to show our loyalty runs a little deeper.