You Can Not Honestly Defend Flacco.

[Eurich]

He is straight up <[i]not good[/i]>

1 Touchdown
7 Interceptions

[bossman419]

well the team around him isnt helping the matter

[Eurich]

I don't care.

Those numbers are the worst in the league.

[bossman419]

okay we can throw troy in there and watch him do the same ****... it was a bad game, get over it

[neepo13]

[quote name='Eurich' post='75243' date='Oct 12 2008, 04:23 PM'][/quote]

And who do you suggest would do a better job, right now? I think, I know the answer but I want to laugh at it again.

[bkirha1]

wow...you cant post that stuff on here?

[BirdWatcher]

EVERYONE: watch your language!

[LuvoftheGame]

Everyone has legitimate points with regards to Flacco, however look at the facts. NFL can also indicate Not For Long!


1 Flacco is a Rookie = Yes
2. Flaccos's 5th Game = Yes
3. Did Flacco ink a huge contract= Yes... way to much for an untested player
4. Should have Flacco been the 2nd QB taken = NO - Chad Henne would have been a better fit ... he has more of
the Raven toughness mentality
5. Did Flacco win the starting job- NO - Smith is unquestionably the better QB. Flacco is there by default but a first
round pick?
6. Has Flaccco learned from his mistakes in the previous 4 games= NO He keeps making the same mistakes
over and over he will not throw the ball away and he hold onto it to long. Thoise are instincts a player should
have at that position especially a first round pick
7. Has Flacco made good decisions = NO ... He has poor field vision
8. Should have Flacco been named the starter the remainder of the season= NO ..Harbaugh made a mistake
making that call.
9. Do the Ravens have a legitimate back-up= No ... Bouman is pathetic and like 40 years old..
10. Does Flacco play with any intensity = NO ...plays slow and shows not even the slightest emotion good or bad...
11. Does Flacco show any offensive leadership= NO ... the offense has no one to look to unless they decide to put
Ray Lewis on Offense.
12. Do the Ravens want to win = NO or they would have not named Flacco the starter the rest of the year
especially if the offense continues to struggle. They will need to make a change if they want to win the defense
cannot continue to be on the field 80% of the time

If Flacco would show signs of improving even slightly there would be no discussion , however he has not learned in anyway from his mistakes. He stated before the Indy game today he learned not to force throws. Umm he did that a couple fo times today. So where has he learned? Unfortunately he was handed this job so when Smith is ready he needs to be on the field.

[FerrariFan87]

Maybe if we had, you know, some actual RECEIVERS getting, you know, SEPARATION from defenders Flacco might be able to do something....

You naysayers still don't want to call up the Lions and get Roy Williams? If not, we WON'T win more than 5 or 6 games at this rate... and the next 4 games should be wins, granted we had any offense, or defense at this point.

[bkirha1]

Very good points. I still think you have to stick to your guns now. Harbaugh said it, he can't eat his words now. How would that make us look?

[neepo13]

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[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='LuvoftheGame' post='75322' date='Oct 12 2008, 04:56 PM']Everyone has legitimate points with regards to Flacco, however look at the facts. NFL can also indicate Not For Long!


1 Flacco is a Rookie = Yes
2. Flaccos's 5th Game = Yes
3. Did Flacco ink a huge contract= Yes... way to much for an untested player
4. Should have Flacco been the 2nd QB taken = NO - Chad Henne would have been a better fit ... he has more of
the Raven toughness mentality
5. [b]Did Flacco win the starting job- NO - Smith is unquestionably the better QB. Flacco is there by default but a first
round pick?[/b]
6. Has Flaccco learned from his mistakes in the previous 4 games= NO He keeps making the same mistakes
over and over he will not throw the ball away and he hold onto it to long. Thoise are instincts a player should
have at that position especially a first round pick
7. Has Flacco made good decisions = NO ... He has poor field vision
8. Should have Flacco been named the starter the remainder of the season= NO ..Harbaugh made a mistake
making that call.
9. Do the Ravens have a legitimate back-up= No ... Bouman is pathetic and like 40 years old..
10. Does Flacco play with any intensity = NO ...plays slow and shows not even the slightest emotion good or bad...
11. Does Flacco show any offensive leadership= NO ... the offense has no one to look to unless they decide to put
Ray Lewis on Offense.
12. [b] Do the Ravens want to win = NO or they would have not named Flacco the starter the rest of the year
especially if the offense continues to struggle. They will need to make a change if they want to win the defense
cannot continue to be on the field 80% of the time [/b]

If Flacco would show signs of improving even slightly there would be no discussion , however he has not learned in anyway from his mistakes. He stated before the Indy game today he learned not to force throws. Umm he did that a couple fo times today. So where has he learned? Unfortunately he was handed this job so when Smith is ready he needs to be on the field.[/quote]

Your wrong on both accounts, Boller is on IR and smith lost 20 pounds with an illness in pre season, hes not in football shape. Flacco won by default not because he was a first round pick.

And if you honestly think they dont want to win, your crazy. Every team wants to win every week. Why dont you unsupporting fans just jump off the bandwagon, im sure one will start up when we come back to winning....

I'm sorry because I feel like I'm beating a dead horse but it must be said. We have the youngest offensive line in the league. We have a bunch of normal recievers, no good or great ones (mason is "good" imo, but he isnt a burner anymore) Todd Heap isnt himself, and McGahee is not getting good runs like he did last year. The WR corps needs an injection of talent, asap. We cant believe we can win with these guys we have now. I like mason but he will only be around a short time. Clayton needs to be a slot reciever, and williams is te biggest dissappointment to me. He drops all kinds of balls, and isnt reliable at all. Joe is making mistakes but the OL and Recieving corps arent setting the world on fire either.

We also need CB depth, frank walker and corey ivy cannot be the 2 and 3 CB's against the colts, I knew we would get burned today because the colts have too much firepower for these guys to cover. We need to address this in the draft next year, fabian will be a solid #2 when rolle retires, and cmac is getting up there in age as well, when the drafted CB comes in he can be a nickel guy and move up from there.

This team has many problems, and yes flacco has thrown 7 int's but hes not the ONLY problem. I'm not sold on Smith being back to health, and I think flacco is a better option than Bouman, so stick with him.

[72Marshall]

[quote name='LuvoftheGame' post='75322' date='Oct 12 2008, 04:56 PM']Everyone has legitimate points with regards to Flacco, however look at the facts. NFL can also indicate Not For Long!


1 Flacco is a Rookie = Yes
2. Flaccos's 5th Game = Yes
3. Did Flacco ink a huge contract= Yes... way to much for an untested player
4. Should have Flacco been the 2nd QB taken = NO - Chad Henne would have been a better fit ... he has more of
the Raven toughness mentality
5. Did Flacco win the starting job- NO - Smith is unquestionably the better QB. Flacco is there by default but a first
round pick?
6. Has Flaccco learned from his mistakes in the previous 4 games= NO He keeps making the same mistakes
over and over he will not throw the ball away and he hold onto it to long. Thoise are instincts a player should
have at that position especially a first round pick
7. Has Flacco made good decisions = NO ... He has poor field vision
8. Should have Flacco been named the starter the remainder of the season= NO ..Harbaugh made a mistake
making that call.
9. Do the Ravens have a legitimate back-up= No ... Bouman is pathetic and like 40 years old..
10. Does Flacco play with any intensity = NO ...plays slow and shows not even the slightest emotion good or bad...
11. Does Flacco show any offensive leadership= NO ... the offense has no one to look to unless they decide to put
Ray Lewis on Offense.
12. Do the Ravens want to win = NO or they would have not named Flacco the starter the rest of the year
especially if the offense continues to struggle. They will need to make a change if they want to win the defense
cannot continue to be on the field 80% of the time

If Flacco would show signs of improving even slightly there would be no discussion , however he has not learned in anyway from his mistakes. He stated before the Indy game today he learned not to force throws. Umm he did that a couple fo times today. So where has he learned? Unfortunately he was handed this job so when Smith is ready he needs to be on the field.[/quote]

Ok, so you made some points or so you think on Flacco. How about McGahee, shouldn't he run longer then 2 yards against the worst run defense? How about the #1 defense, should they allow 34 points to a team that barely won the 2 games they did? How about Derek Mason, should he drop the ball after he catches it? How about McClain should drop the ball when he gets hit? How about McAlister, should he stand 10 yards off the receiver when their 10 yards from the goal? How about Rex Ryan, shouldn't he see that his DB's are getting burnt and double team someone for a change? Or how about Rex again, Billick got torched every week for not "Making Adjustments at half time" Shouldn't have Rex made some adjustments? not even at half time how about after it was 14 - 0.

The stupidity is deep my friends, it's very deep.

[LuvoftheGame]

If they wanted to win they would have gone out and signed in a veteran QB and left Flacco at number 3 when Boller went down and Smith got sick. But they bring in Todd Bouman ? Please they would have been better off bringing back Bart Starr.

This is not about being a blind fan or die hard fan it is about being realistic. Flacco was ABSOLUTELY handed the job becasue he was a first round pick and inked a huge deal. Harbaugh and staff made the choice to go get Flacco and they would look foolish not playing him .They wasted a first round pick on this guy. They will look even more foolish when they end up 6-10 with a first round QB, unless they get Smith in game shape FAST and get him on the field ASAP

[neepo13]

[quote name='LuvoftheGame' post='75390' date='Oct 12 2008, 05:49 PM']If they wanted to win they would have gone out and signed in a veteran QB and left Flacco at number 3 when Boller went down and Smith got sick. But they bring in Todd Bouman ? Please they would have been better off bringing back Bart Starr.

This is not about being a blind fan or die hard fan it is about being realistic. Flacco was ABSOLUTELY handed the job becasue he was a first round pick and inked a huge deal. Harbaugh and staff made the choice to go get Flacco and they would look foolish not playing him .They wasted a first round pick on this guy. They will look even more foolish when they end up 6-10 with a first round QB, unless they get Smith in game shape FAST and get him on the field ASAP[/quote]

And you seriously believe that a 3 year vet would have come in at the end of the preseason and learned this playbook fast enough to do better then Flacco?

[72Marshall]

[quote name='LuvoftheGame' post='75390' date='Oct 12 2008, 05:49 PM']If they wanted to win they would have gone out and signed in a veteran QB and left Flacco at number 3 when Boller went down and Smith got sick. But they bring in Todd Bouman ? Please they would have been better off bringing back Bart Starr.

This is not about being a blind fan or die hard fan it is about being realistic. Flacco was ABSOLUTELY handed the job becasue he was a first round pick and inked a huge deal. Harbaugh and staff made the choice to go get Flacco and they would look foolish not playing him .They wasted a first round pick on this guy. They will look even more foolish when they end up 6-10 with a first round QB, unless they get Smith in game shape FAST and get him on the field ASAP[/quote]

And you think they will look foolish going 6 - 10 with a rookie qb? I guess Jimmy Johnson is a complete @$$ for starting Troy Aikman?

Again I state that sports fans are the dumbest fans anywhere one earth...

[TXRaven]

It was a horrible game, but Flacco is not all to blame, although he is responsible for his share. No running game, Pass defense was worst it has been all year. McAlaster was not on today and the second string, Ivy and Walker looked the part. Its one game one loss lets move on and not dwell on it. Joe will be ok. With Two consecutive pretty good games he raised our expectations and now that things are cooled a bit some of us are jumping the Flacco Bandwagon. Sometimes you learn your best lessons from failure. I believe he will be better for this and the Pittsburg game. He is a pretty level headed young man. I like him.

[bkirha1]

go and look at the QB comparison I posted in the forum. Open your eyes!

[LuvoftheGame]

Marshall you are actually going to compare Aikman to Flacco? The oprganizatrion could have gone out and got Culpeppper , Simms or even Gradkowski guys all who have started and were fairly young guys, but what does Cam do ? he foes out and gets Bouman . LOL what a koje , that is even more of a laugh than Flkacco being the starting Qb who is being compared to Aikman .

All that was discussed was we have a good nucleus and all we need is a QB . Well the Ravens got their first round blue chipper and he is not what everyone thought he was or would be. Do players make mistakes? yes, but players that are big dollar guys get better each game not worse. Flaccco is getting worse every game and his stats prove that. Everyone wanted to look at stats when he was drafted so look at his stats now. When Smith returns he will get a shot and be the starting QB Flacco is just not that good or good enough to be the starting QB of an NFL team

[bossman419]

[quote name='LuvoftheGame' post='75463' date='Oct 12 2008, 06:54 PM']Marshall you are actually going to compare Aikman to Flacco? The oprganizatrion could have gone out and got Culpeppper , Simms or even Gradkowski guys all who have started and were fairly young guys, but what does Cam do ? he foes out and gets Bouman . LOL what a koje , that is even more of a laugh than Flkacco being the starting Qb who is being compared to Aikman .

All that was discussed was we have a good nucleus and all we need is a QB . Well the Ravens got their first round blue chipper and he is not what everyone thought he was or would be. Do players make mistakes? yes, but players that are big dollar guys get better each game not worse. Flaccco is getting worse every game and his stats prove that. Everyone wanted to look at stats when he was drafted so look at his stats now. When Smith returns he will get a shot and be the starting QB Flacco is just not that good or good enough to be the starting QB of an NFL team[/quote]
Your being really stupid right now. Your letting one bad game cloud your judgment, Flacco had a bad game, would Troy do a better job given the circumstances? I don't think so. Your putting all the blame on Joe's shoulders, don't forget that he constantly had bad field position to start off with, and the whole team was flat. I like Troy but to cast Flacco off after naming him the starter is a giant kick in the pants and might ruin his career

[bkirha1]

[quote name='bossman419' post='75471' date='Oct 12 2008, 07:06 PM']Your being really stupid right now. Your letting one bad game cloud your judgment, Flacco had a bad game, would Troy do a better job given the circumstances? I don't think so. Your putting all the blame on Joe's shoulders, don't forget that he constantly had bad field position to start off with, and the whole team was flat. I like Troy but to cast Flacco off after naming him the starter is a giant kick in the pants and might ruin his career[/quote]

Thank you. Your gonna screw his head up

[bossman419]

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[PuRock]

Everbody wants to attack Flacco. But what about the coaches who are playing him, or the front office that drafted him? All these people attacking Flacco should attack Harbaugh and Ozzie as well. All I hear is the negativity towards Flacco, he's out there because our organization put him out ther. All I hear coming out of these posts are bad fans.

Fans that do not know how to support their teams decisions are pitiful. Like I always say, they roll Smith out there, I'm a Smith fan. But right now our QB is Flacco. So show some respect.

So yes I can defend.

[LuvoftheGame]

bossman, runi his career? How can you ruin something that has not even started? He is off to a bad start anyway so to think that getting benched would just make it worse for him is narrow minded. if anything it may take him off his high horse and get him working on his game and playing fastyer and not like he has all day to throw . That is why he gets sacked and that is why he has the pics he has. He gives the defensive line to much time to get to him and the dbs to time to close the seperation . I stated earlier he is either stupid or just to arrogant to think that these players will not get to him or close in on his throws becasue he has a strong arm. I believe it is a little of both.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

Troy Smith had more touchdowns in 1/8 of a season than Flacco has in 1/4.

Ahh man, I know you know I've always supported Smith to start in the offseason. But I can't seem to find faith in the offense like I did in the first four weeks. Not after this performance. You can put SOME blame on the special teams for the starting field position. But we can see the offense just could not get it done. Turnovers...turnovers...turnovers. It's starting to look like last season all over again. You should have heard my Dad downstairs. I was upstairs watching on High Def and I could literally hear my Dad trying to shout through the TV screen to tell the coach to put in Bouman. But, that's what you get with a rookie like Flacco. He's making a lot of rookie mistakes, but ones that could've been avoided. He needs to learn to get rid of the ball quickly, even if it does mean throwing it out of bounds. It beats taking a sack or forcing something that could get picked.

So, I'll leave my opinion as to let Troy do something. I don't want to be criticized on this, [b]IT'S JUST MY OPINION, NOT A FACT!!
[/b]
Please don't quote me, just think about it.

[RedFire]

this ain't rebuilding time tho!! we are wasting the defense again!!!!

we needed a vet QB like favre, culpepper, or byron leftwhich!!!! how da steeler got big ben and byron?!?!?!


flacco needed 2 go aaron rogers route if we were gonna get him.


boller ain't do nuffin for us...and steve mcnair got us in a good spot.

stop talking all this building for the future crap!?!?! that's what we been doing since 2001! 7yrs is da future!

[samic]

[quote name='neepo13' post='75396' date='Oct 12 2008, 05:53 PM']And you seriously believe that a 3 year vet would have come in at the end of the preseason and learned this playbook fast enough to do better then Flacco?[/quote]
uhhh... what is brett favre doing in NY right now? we should have gone out and gotten a veteran QB when flacco had to start in the 3rd preseason game but no. we should have drafted a lot better this year... but no. we needed a CB, a LT and a receiver... that should have been our first 3 picks but no. we drafted a QB, a RB and a SS in the first 3 rounds!!! but yet ozzie is still god! harbaugh did not make this decision. this was a front office decision. he is a rookie head coach, they normally don't make personell decisions.

[bmorefan80]

[quote name='RedFire' post='75507' date='Oct 12 2008, 07:45 PM']this ain't rebuilding time tho!! we are wasting the defense again!!!![/quote]

Exactly, we are not rebuilding something we already have. I don't like the word rebuild when we have one of the top defenses in the league.

Flacco looked like crap this game period. I would let him slide against the past 2 games because he played against teams that had a tough defense. This game to me Flacco should of shown something more than he did.

There will be people who blame the defense and there will be people who blame Flacco. Flacco threw 3 int and fumbled 2 times. The defense were playing up against a hall of fame QB. We scored 3 points on offense which is horrible against the defense we were going up against.

The positive thing we can go on our self is, that were are still in 2nd place still

[samic]

[quote name='bossman419' post='75471' date='Oct 12 2008, 07:06 PM']Your being really stupid right now. Your letting one bad game cloud your judgment, Flacco had a bad game, would Troy do a better job given the circumstances? I don't think so. Your putting all the blame on Joe's shoulders, don't forget that he constantly had bad field position to start off with, and the whole team was flat. I like Troy but to cast Flacco off after naming him the starter is a giant kick in the pants and might ruin his career[/quote]
umm it's not one bad game... he's had three so far. we're now 2-3 and those three losses came as a result of mistakes that flacco made at critical points in the game. well the last one he just played bad the whole game. well, let't be honest, he played awful. don't get me wrong, if he were doing well i wouldn't be complaining but he is making it really difficult to support him right now.

[bossman419]

[quote name='samic' post='75516' date='Oct 12 2008, 08:01 PM']uhhh... what is brett favre doing in NY right now? we should have gone out and gotten a veteran QB when flacco had to start in the 3rd preseason game but no. we should have drafted a lot better this year... but no. we needed a CB, a LT and a receiver... that should have been our first 3 picks but no. we drafted a QB, a RB and a SS in the first 3 rounds!!! but yet ozzie is still god! harbaugh did not make this decision. this was a front office decision. he is a rookie head coach, they normally don't make personell decisions.[/quote]
yeah and continue with the QB leftovers. no thanks, we need a franchise QB.