Greg Cosell Slams Ravens Recievers And Cam Cameron

[kassaiscool]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1326992628' post='958648']

Not if ray rice is on the field. that's 7 players so it's either 2 wide receivers and 2 tes or 3 wrs and 1 te. Our offense wasn't on the field a whole lot.
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That's my point, the offense is so simple its a bunch of 3 and outs. If and Nfl defender (Brian Cushing) whos job is to study tape and perform on sunday says the offense is pretty basic I would assume he is correct. Before the season Cam said that he wanted the pressure to be on him and Joe, well it is and the offense played poorly in a lot of games this season.

[Token]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326992464' post='958642'] 50/50 both. And I want to go 4 and 5 wide. What the heck did we draft Tandon Doss to do? Cover punts on special teams? Why can't we have Lee, Torrey, Q, Doss, and Laquan out there at the same time? Is it illegal? Did the NFL come over and say "Hey Ravens, if you put all your receivers out there your offense will be too, good, and we can't have the best offense and best defense in the NFL on one team, it's unfair"?[/quote]

To be fair to Cam, your oline has to be blocking well to go 4 & 5 wide. I know he doesn't do it often (if at all?), but it wouldn't have made sense against the Texans when the pressure was right in Joe's face basically right after the ball is snapped. Now if the oline performs up to standards on Sunday, there would be no reason to not go 4 or 5 wide and attack that weak secondary.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1326993333' post='958668']

That's my point, the offense is so simple its a bunch of 3 and outs. If and Nfl defender (Brian Cushing) whos job is to study tape and perform on sunday says the offense is pretty basic I would assume he is correct. Before the season Cam said that he wanted the pressure to be on him and Joe, well it is and the offense played poorly in a lot of games this season.
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I agree, I'm just saying I feel stronger about our 2 TE set than 3 WR set.

[PuRock]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1326993458' post='958675']

I agree, I'm just saying I feel stronger about our 2 TE set than 3 WR set.
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I had high hopes for the 3 WR set this season. Lee and Torrey on the outside and Boldin in the slot. But we just haven't gotten many snaps in that formation. Against the Pats, who like to keep everything in front of them defensively. The 2 TE set makes more sense. Pats will play two safeties deep and our 2 TE set will take advantage underneath all day.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326993621' post='958679']

I had high hopes for the 3 WR set this season. Lee and Torrey on the outside and Boldin in the slot. But we just haven't gotten many snaps in that formation. Against the Pats, who like to keep everything in front of them defensively. The 2 TE set makes more sense. Pats will play two safeties deep and our 2 TE set will take advantage underneath all day.
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Say it with me:
Time of possession.

The big thing is scoring though. Need touchdowns not field goals.

[PurpleReign92]

Cam Cameron can use his Tight ends in the Slot just like he uses his Wide-outs...

[PuRock]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1326993728' post='958683']

Say it with me:
Time of possession.

The big thing is scoring though. Need touchdowns not field goals.
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Oh I agree. That is why the 2 TE set is even more important. If we need to throw, lets take the underneath things. Move the chain, eat up clock.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

Pitta has been set up in the slot before. May have even been a quick slant into the middle of the field for a completion IF i remember correctly.

[DMH_in_WA]

They've said it since day one, they don't listen to anyone on the outside. Good or bad, they don't listen to anyone who isn't behind those doors with them. That's not going to change now.

Cameron (as well as former players) has made it super clear. It is his deepest held football belief. If his players execute, he could walk over and tell the other side what play they are going to run and they wouldn't have a chance of stopping it.

There is no doubt in my mind that he thinks all the issue is with the players and that, if he keeps calling the same plays, they will eventually execute it "right" and be unstoppable.

[Ravenslifer]

I notice most of the "Flacco bashers" are staying away from this thread. Guess they don't want anything to do with a thread that shatters their illusion of Flacco holding this offense back.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326994381' post='958700']
They've said it since day one, they don't listen to anyone on the outside. Good or bad, they don't listen to anyone who isn't behind those doors with them. That's not going to change now.

Cameron (as well as former players) has made it super clear. It is his deepest held football belief. If his players execute, he could walk over and tell the other side what play they are going to run and they wouldn't have a chance of stopping it.

There is no doubt in my mind that he thinks all the[b] issue is with the players[/b] and that, if he keeps calling the same plays, they will eventually execute it "right" and be unstoppable.
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Of course this is Cam's thought process. You ever hear him after at a press conference? The same thing, if we win, "The players executed perfectly", if we lose, "The players didn't execute". Has nothing to do with anything they're skilled at. He believes he calls all of the right plays and when they don't work, it's not because it's the wrong call, it's because the players didn't do their jobs. It's exactly what Brian Cushing insinuated when he said our offense is easy to figure out.

[Jerseyraven52205527]

And why hasn't our head coach taken over the offense????

[CorvusCorax]

The Baltimore Ravens make offense look hard. In my opinion Cam Cameron fits well here in Baltimore.

With that said if we win and head to the SB guess who's staying here longer? If we lose we may see Cam pack his bags.

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[ravensfan2430]

[quote name='Jerseyraven52205527' timestamp='1326994820' post='958710']
And why hasn't our head coach taken over the offense????
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Because he is was a special teams coach......have you seen our special teams? lol

[Jerseyraven52205527]

Yeah, a joke. Kickoff has been horrible all year. This team is so dam good, no great but the obvious things are sub par at best.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='Jerseyraven52205527' timestamp='1326994820' post='958710']
And why hasn't our head coach taken over the offense????
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He knows nothing on how to run an Offense which seems to be a disease on the coaching staff.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='ravensfan2430' timestamp='1326995111' post='958716']
Because he is was a special teams coach......have you seen our special teams? lol
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So... Bill Belichek is bad too?

[Sandbox]

[quote name='Jerseyraven52205527' timestamp='1326994820' post='958710']
And why hasn't our head coach taken over the offense????
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Because Harbaugh has never called plays in the NFL. The only call I remember him making was the 4th down hard count against Cleveland to draw them offsides. And he does seem blinded by loyalty to Cam, you would think after the Jacksonville debacle John would have told Cam to get more creative or something.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1326995279' post='958720']
He knows nothing on how to run an Offense which seems to be a disease on the coaching staff.
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He wasnt hired to run an offense, its not like you see Mike Tomlin calling plays when Pittsburgh's offense sputters. I am sure that Harbaugh is involved in the game-plan to a degree, but that shouldnt be his primary responsibility.

The problem is Cam's lack of creativity and inability to make adjustments on the fly. He wants to have a power run game to set up his passing attack, but when the run-game is shut down he doesnt know what to do.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326994628' post='958705']

Of course this is Cam's thought process. You ever hear him after at a press conference? The same thing, if we win, "The players executed perfectly", if we lose, "The players didn't execute". Has nothing to do with anything they're skilled at. He believes he calls all of the right plays and when they don't work, it's not because it's the wrong call, it's because the players didn't do their jobs. It's exactly what Brian Cushing insinuated when he said our offense is easy to figure out.
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Yup .. and that's why he doesn't take players strengths and weaknesses into account. He just plugs them into the play and if they execute, then it will work. At least in his head. Look at how he has misused Q time and time again. And when it doesn't work, he is too prideful and stubborn to do anything different

[Twistidfunk]

I really believe the Ravens offense is gonna come out on fire this weekend.

The Texans are a damn good team. They always play us tough and their defense was much improved this season. There is nothing wrong with how we won. Could we have executed more plays? you bet! Take a look at what happened last week though, all the top defenses won, except for Denver but last time I checked they were not a top ranked defense and they have another problem in their own QB. Man, if the Steelers weren't so banged up they would have beat Timmy Touchdown and we would probably be hosting Pitt at the Bank this weekend.

Now, I remind everyone just how confident we were going into the playoffs about playing New England. What happened to ya'll!!!

I am not scared one bit and neither is our football team!!

[Romo Ravens]

Man, so many people being negative about our team when we're one game away from the Super Bowl.. could you imagine how this board will look if we lost Sunday?

[Sandbox]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1326995841' post='958728']
The problem is Cam's lack of creativity and inability to make adjustments on the fly. He wants to have a power run game to set up his passing attack, but when the run-game is shut down he doesnt know what to do.
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It's all the players fault, they're just not executing. /s
It's like he doesn't believe opposing defenses can stop the Ravens if the players just "executed". Of course the problem being that sometimes the talent on the opposing defense is simply better than the talent of the players on offense. He never anticipates that hey maybe the other teams defense is good enough to shut down a major part of our offense.

[baltravens]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1326991570' post='958617']
1. Easy schedule
2. Good running game
3. Good defense
4. Tough home field
5. QB who can make bad throws work because of his ark strength
6. ??????
7. PROFIT
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I stand by my statement.

[Moderator 2]

Who cares what this guy has to say? It's his opinion, everyone has one

[Maryland1]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1326996384' post='958745']
Man, so many people being negative about our team when we're one game away from the Super Bowl.. [color=#ff0000]could you imagine how this board will look if we lost Sunday?[/color]
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I don't want to! It's bad enough now. So much negativity.

[baltravens]

[quote name='Sandbox' timestamp='1326992590' post='958645']
When you run a bunch of 9 routes with Torrey Smith he's bound to get open on some of them. Seriously though it's very predictable/simple, Brian Cushing said so himself. That's why this offense has made opposing defenses look like the 85 bears. Just think about all the times this team faces a respectable secondary, the receivers can't win on routes that often because the defense has a good idea of what routes they'll be running.

And from there it's a snowball effect, Flacco holds on to the ball longer hoping someone will present an opening, and as a result he'll take sacks and sometimes fumble. If you remember earlier in the year he was throwing the ball to covered receivers because he had no where else to go and the ball was being intercepted. So now instead of risking interceptions he's holding on to the ball longer hoping someone will get open.
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Sure, some good points presented, but opposite our defense is our offense, and Rice and Flacco have worked well together. I still think the jury is out on Cam, and I have never been sold on him either. [b]I do not object to a vanilla offense[/b], one that runs the ball well and complements that rushing attack with a passing game. Take a look at our offense in 2000. That could be characterized as vanilla, too, but Trent Dilfer and Jamal Lewis won a Super Bowl.

[cobrajet]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326990447' post='958563']
To be fair. Harbs isn't going to be calling out Cam in the middle of the season (which I applaud him for). If we lose this game, it'll be interesting to see how the dominos fall.
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Absolutely, there was not going to be a change during the season and Harbs is not going to call out Cam. Win or lose, we may get our change because it is quite obvious that improvement is needed.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1326996384' post='958745']
Man, so many people being negative about our team when we're one game away from the Super Bowl.. could you imagine how this board will look if we lost Sunday?
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I don't want to think about it. I just try to be positive about teams in general. But I want to win. I want the ravens to win. I want my quarterback to win. I want to win, I want a lombardi trophy I want to go to a parade.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326988344' post='958491']
As if we didn't already know these things, but now even outsiders are taking notice of our deficincies.
Here is what Cosell said about our offense:


[color=#000000]RT via Ross Tucker: [/color]

[color=#000000]Greg Cosell on Ravens: Never seen a group of WR so unable to beat man coverage" "Their O is so incredibly predictable." "Watching their tape is like watching the 1960's. 1 WR to each side, isolation routes. No bunch sets, [b]rub routes[/b]"[/color]
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Been calling for those for quite some time now...

It's truly amazing how predictable the O is.