My Level Of Respect For Ed Reed And How Much It Dropped

[scrock]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1326961274' post='958207']
Thats the thing, he did call out the whole offense. Not just Flacco. He also called out the defense and himself. If you listened to the interview instead of the media, you would of heard that.
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i did hear the interview, i heard him name a few names or positions

i guess my response was more like, the media has already been ripping Joe, Ed is on the inside he knows the team, maybe instead of putting more pressure on Joe, points ALL the attention at the OL, at the receivers and TEs who DROPPED 5 more balls against the Texans...maybe the media will get the message that Joe isn't holding this team back, it's Cam Cameron and the offensive personnel we have....

For all the years we have tried to bring in receivers, Torrey finally look like one who will work out but even he is so inconsistent right now. That's why I say let Lee Evans get on the field, the dude is a PRO BOWLER and he is riding the bench. Do you remember how quickly he and Joe go on point? You know why? It's pure speed...Torrey Smith along with Lee Evans can stretch a defense, they can open things up underneath for Boldin and Pitta and Dickson....but Cam Cameron doesnt know anything about that.....and who knows if the OL could even handle blocking

but the good news is we are going against one of the worst defenses in the league for a change, we are usually facing top 5, top 10 defenses

I think the Ravens offense will look like the Saints offense, ability to run and pass, and the Patriots will be under pressure to score 7 every time they have the ball because the Ravens are going to own the time of possession by a pretty big margin, imo

[raybaby]

I'm not trying to negative. Just thinking realistically. Of course Harbaugh & Joe are going to blow it over.... do you really think they are going to make even more headline news and cause even more controversy by saying what Ed did was messed up? I listened to the whole interview and yes he criticized many aspects of the team. But he was the most specific in regards to Joe... that is why people took what he said & ran with it. If he had made general statements than this would probably be a non issue.

[scrock]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1326961274' post='958207']
Thats the thing, he did call out the whole offense. Not just Flacco. He also called out the defense and himself. If you listened to the interview instead of the media, you would of heard that.
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1326961329' post='958208']

yep!

~Mili
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Once again I did hear that, my point still remains

[scrock]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326962756' post='958218']
I'm not trying to negative. Just thinking realistically. Of course Harbaugh & Joe are going to blow it over.... do you really think they are going to make even more headline news and cause even more controversy by saying what Ed did was messed up? I listened to the whole interview and yes he criticized many aspects of the team. But he was the most specific in regards to Joe... that is why people took what he said & ran with it. If he had made general statements than this would probably be a non issue.
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Thank you, the media have been hating on Joe for a long time and Reed didn't do him any favors by what he said. We are supposed to be a team and not let outside influences in. You don't hear other QBs like Matt Ryan taking the kind of heat Joe does.

It's like Joe not only needs to win he needs to blow teams out and out duel the other QB at the same time and maybe he will get a pat on the back.

[raybaby]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326962785' post='958219']

Once again I did hear that, my point still remains
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Scrock don't worry I got your back lol

[DMH_in_WA]

If people listened to the interview, I don't understand why this thread is on going. He called out EVERYBODY and he put himself at the top of that list. Also notice they didn't mention that Reed also said he thought that Flacco and the offense could keep up with the Patriots and that he thought Flacco was going to have a breakout game.

But, you know, why mention that?

[raybaby]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326962926' post='958220']

Thank you, the media have been hating on Joe for a long time and Reed didn't do him any favors by what he said. We are supposed to be a team and not let outside influences in. You don't hear other QBs like Matt Ryan taking the kind of heat Joe does.

It's like Joe not only needs to win he needs to blow teams out and out duel the other QB at the same time and maybe he will get a pat on the back.
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The WHOLE team knows the kind of negativity Joe gets especially from the media. Ed Reed is not naive. He knew that the media will take any questionable quotes and make it headline news if it makes a good story. Now all the Flacco bashers have come out of the woodwork and can be like see I'm right Ed Reed questions his abilities too. It just adds even more eyes on him when he already had a lot as is. Maybe Joe will step to all of it & rise to the occasion or maybe he is second guessing himself now. Yes he is a professional but he is also human.

[scrock]

[quote name='shootyoup' timestamp='1326962497' post='958215']
Throw your coach under the bus but don't throw the QB because you (fan) think the coach limits the QB. That is so much better logic, and THAT'S TEAM.
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Throw Cam Cameron under the bus!!! Absolutely, because his offense is a joke. When other teams watch offensive tape of the Ravens they get giddy and start to celebrate. Brian Cushing of the Texans called the Ravens offense as being very static and predictable. Geee? I wonder why they had so much success shutting our offense down.

Cam Cameron is the problem, he's one of those coaches that has a system and tries to make the players fit into it. We need an offensive coordinator that will fit the offense around the players. Sort of like Sean Peyton in New Orleans, or the guys in New England...two stud TEs? Okay lets feature them in our offense. A guy like in Green Bay, they have no run game and a bad defense, so they have drafted the personnel to fit that system, their depth at receiver is a little ridiculous. James Jones, who is there 4th or 5th WR would be out #2 or a strong, strong #3 without a doubt. They draft guys with the thinking that we can mold the offense around them.

Well Cam doesn't do that, you're not fast enough to run GO routes? Well run them anyway and maybe we'll get lucky and hit on one someday. Did you see Boldin play all those year in Arizona ? Good grief, the man was a beast...he was a man among boys as they say. What happens when he comes to Baltimore? He's barely a 2nd WR on this team, he's not a true #1 anymore like he was before Larry got to Arizona. In AZ they knew who he liked, they knew how to best use him. You'd think Cam would be able to devise a way to get Boldin the ball more. Pitta and Dickson should be a focal point in our passing game but Cam Cameron doesn't know how or is just incapable of meshing players into the offense. It's either run with Ray Rice or Ricky on 1st and 2nd down and then in a known passing situation he tells Flacco to save his butt. Only problem is the entire defense knows its going to be pass and other than Torrey(who runs half speed sometimes) we just dont have the speed to beat the coverages. Now maybe if they get Lee Evans involved more that could change. Evans had Pro Bowl years on crappy teams in Buffalo there is no reason he and Joe can't start connecting for some big plays. He made probably the best catch of the year against the Texans and it went for 30 yards. Big time players make big time plays in big games......unless your OC is Cam then you make it to the playoffs every year only to be bounced out before u reach the ultimate goal.

True Story

now bring on the negs

[raybaby]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326963048' post='958223']
If people listened to the interview, I don't understand why this thread is on going. He called out EVERYBODY and he put himself at the top of that list. Also notice they didn't mention that Reed also said he thought that Flacco and the offense could keep up with the Patriots and that he thought Flacco was going to have a breakout game.

But, you know, why mention that?
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Again I think Sundays performance spoke for itself. Reed did not need to go to the media and be THAT specific.. & be THAT specific about someone who is already under so much fire. The fact that Joe was caught off guard & heard about it on TV first... is not acceptable as a teammate going into the biggest games of their lives.

[raybaby]

LOL scrock glad we are on the same page for everything.

[HaX]

maybe it'll spark a fire under flaccos [profanity deleted]

let's hope
I wanna wear my flacco jersey proudly [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/minioiseau1.gif[/img]

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326963754' post='958227']

Again I think Sundays performance spoke for itself. Reed did not need to go to the media and be THAT specific.. & be THAT specific about someone who is already under so much fire. The fact that Joe was caught off guard & heard about it on TV first... is not acceptable as a teammate going into the biggest games of their lives.
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He didn't go to the media. He was asked a direct question by the interviewer, "What did you think of Joe Flacco's performance yesterday." He gave an honest answer and more than that, it was a completely truthful analysis of the team and how they played. Anything less and I lose respect for him. It's the same thing when the media asked Flacco about Tebow and he gave an honest answer.

You don't agree with what he thought, that's fine. But people need to stop acting like he marched down to the local media outlet to rag on Flacco out of the blue.

[scrock]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326964065' post='958228']
LOL scrock glad we are on the same page for everything.
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Im glad someone else can see the bigger picture, it amazes me how many of these PAID expert analysts can't see FOOTBALL for what it really is

I do believe a lot of them just look at the box score, they dont even watch the tape. They don't see McKinnie or Oher having false starts or guys coming untouched to lay a bad hit on our QB. They just see Flacco got sacked too much, threw for less than 60% again and figure Joe just isn't making any improvements.....what!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! its drives me nuts

[scrock]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326964309' post='958233']

He didn't go to the media. He was asked a direct question by the interviewer, "What did you think of Joe Flacco's performance yesterday." He gave an honest answer and more than that, it was a completely truthful analysis of the team and how they played. Anything less and I lose respect for him. It's the same thing when the media asked Flacco about Tebow and he gave an honest answer.

You don't agree with what he thought, that's fine. But people need to stop acting like he marched down to the local media outlet to rag on Flacco out of the blue.
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I'm not mad at Reed for answering the media's question, I think he needed to handle it better, it's obviously caused a little stir in the organization. You don't say those things to the media, hell we just went through this last week with the Jets. Reed should have what we all already know, it wasnt our finest performance, we missed on some opportunities on both offense and defense but we are hard at work correcting those things, etc blah blah blah

[raybaby]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326964309' post='958233']

He didn't go to the media. He was asked a direct question by the interviewer, "What did you think of Joe Flacco's performance yesterday." He gave an honest answer and more than that, it was a completely truthful analysis of the team and how they played. Anything less and I lose respect for him. It's the same thing when the media asked Flacco about Tebow and he gave an honest answer.

You don't agree with what he thought, that's fine. But people need to stop acting like he marched down to the local media outlet to rag on Flacco out of the blue.
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It doesn't matter if it was out of the blue or not. Joe's comments that he made affected him and himself only. Ed's comments affect one of his teammates. You don't talk negatively about your teammates to the media. Period. Talk about yourself all you want but to make comments to adds even more ammo at Joe was not necessary. Yes he was asked that question but the response should have been general saying "we fought through the game as a team & we all need to step it up this week." Instead he gave very specific plays about Joe that he did not understand. You can try to sway it any way you want but when he made questions about his teammate.. that is going to become headline news. He might have not meant a lot by it but I'm not naive to really believe that. Ed knows the kind of clout his name brings when he makes statements.

[scrock]

[quote name='HaX' timestamp='1326964275' post='958230']
maybe it'll spark a fire under flaccos [profanity deleted]

let's hope
I wanna wear my flacco jersey proudly [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/minioiseau1.gif[/img]
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I agree, I think the entire team was embarrassed over how they played, some of them would probably say they didn't deserve to win that game.

BUT they did and now they get the chance to go out and knock off the might New England Patriots who haven't done anything since they got caught spying on other teams practices....yeah thats right i said it

Baltimore at its best is the best and most balanced and complete team in the league. If the real Ravens show up in Foxboro it should be quite the treat

[raybaby]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326964592' post='958234']

Im glad someone else can see the bigger picture, it amazes me how many of these PAID expert analysts can't see FOOTBALL for what it really is

I do believe a lot of them just look at the box score, they dont even watch the tape. They don't see McKinnie or Oher having false starts or guys coming untouched to lay a bad hit on our QB. They just see Flacco got sacked too much, threw for less than 60% again and figure Joe just isn't making any improvements.....what!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! its drives me nuts
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Ugh, tell me about it. When the talking heads talk and question Joe's accuracy... I'm like are we watching the same games???

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326964772' post='958236']

It doesn't matter if it was out of the blue or not. Joe's comments that he made affected him and himself only. Ed's comments affect one of his teammates. You don't talk negatively about your teammates to the media. Period. Talk about yourself all you want but to make comments to adds even more ammo at Joe was not necessary. Yes he was asked that question but the response should have been general saying "we fought through the game as a team & we all need to step it up this week." Instead he gave very specific plays about Joe that he did not understand. You can try to sway it any way you want but when he made questions about his teammate.. that is going to become headline news. He might have not meant a lot by it but I'm not naive to really believe that. Ed knows the kind of clout his name brings when he makes statements.
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And again .. your opinion. No matter how many times and ways you reiterate it, that's what it is. I guess we can sit here and argue about whose opinion is more valid, but I don't see the point. Lets agree to disagree. I have no problem with what Reed said. And I think it's not right that people are only taking 10% of what he said and ignoring everything else he said including that he thought his QB could match up with Brady and would have a breakout game.

[scrock]

This may very well be no big deal but ESPN and all these other sports talk shows and media outlets aren't treating it as no big deal.

Now ESPN is comparing Joe to Trent Dilfer and saying Reed's comments were like, 'Hey, Joe! Just dont lose us this game,,,thanks buddy!!'

This is not good, we dont need this outside BS going on...now maybe it will motivate some people and they will go out and win. We may never know how GREAT Joe can be until Cam is GONE and hopefully no matter what happens this year Cam will be fired, I dont care if we win the SuperBowl, he needs to be fired

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326972308' post='958283']
This may very well be no big deal but ESPN and all these other sports talk shows and media outlets aren't treating it as no big deal.

Now ESPN is comparing Joe to Trent Dilfer and saying Reed's comments were like, 'Hey, Joe! Just dont lose us this game,,,thanks buddy!!'
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Of course they are. There are only 2 games and 4 teams to report on. They are 24 hours sports networks with nothing to really talk about for 23 hrs/day. They will make ANYTHING into a story and if they don't have anything, they will make it up. It doesn't matter. I mean, look at the flap caused by Rob-freakin-Lowe tweeting today. Wait until they have to fill the two weeks between Conference Championships and Superbowl weekend.

As for the Dilfer comments, they've been doing that for years. The perception outside of the fans of the team is that Joe wins simply because of the defense, period. Fair or unfair, unless he throws up a heck of a game in the next two (and realistically, it will have to be two or they will talk about consistency), he is going to be Dilfer to them or worse, Sanchez.

[codizzle]

Debating whether it's worth getting into this nonsense or not..

Na it's not worth it..
Ed is the future HOF safety who has been with the team for year who has the right to say something like this. If you had read, the whole interview before letting your emotions take you then maybe you would agree.
And stop letting espn dictate your every thought and emotion. I haven't watched espn yet this postseason as I'm just as up to date with info as everyone else. Keep the drama out people

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion and some of you have let it get to you.

Ed said that the whole team, including himself, needed to play better. The media doesn't care about that because Joe's the easy target, as he has been for some time. They're quite happy to conveniently "forget" that Reed commented on other parts of the team or that he has faith in Flacco to beat the Patriots.

Let it go, the team has.

[funky141]

From someone who doesn't wear the purple glasses, Ed Reed's comments towards Flacco and the offensive line (he may be right) are very disruptive to the team as it prepares for the AFC championship game this Sunday. The timing is not good. Reed should learn to keep things in house.

[ratedr]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1326974704' post='958299']
From someone who doesn't wear the purple glasses, Ed Reed's comments towards Flacco and the offensive line (he may be right) are very disruptive to the team as it prepares for the AFC championship game this Sunday. The timing is not good. Reed should learn to keep things in house.
[/quote]Exactly. How anyone can say otherwise is beyond me.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1326975475' post='958306']
Exactly. How anyone can say otherwise is beyond me.
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Because it's all opinion. It can be disruptive or it can be beneficial. It depends on how people take it. Leading into the playoffs, Tebow had 3 of the worst games he has ever had. He was then basically publically called out by 3 of the leaders on that team. He chose to take it as a challenge. Is it a coincidence that the next game, he had the best game of his career? Maybe. I know it was against a very banged up Steelers team .. doesn't matter. You could see how fired up he was .. he was playing with serious emotion from the first series.

Ony time will tell if this is disruptive, but we've heard all season how they are addressing the play of the offense in house. How has that been working out? We have been winning, but the same problems come up almost every game (receiver seperation, inability to throw receivers open, collapsing pockets and poor pocket awareness, etc.). We have a QB who thinks that he was "in the zone" in the last game. He played well, under the circumstances, but in the zone?

Guess we'll see if it was disruptive in a few days.

[good_n_purple]

Ed is a great player and a good team guy. Ed is not a diplomat, or a public relations guy. Occassionally he has inadvertantly put his foot in it. Some how he does not realize what the media does to the most innocent of comments, and even though his comments really portray Joe as the victim of Cam's ineptitude the words looks look totally different in print. And, when the dopes who are "expert commentators" start analyzing, they don't even listen to the entire conversation half of time. Context goes down the tubes immediately.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1326974704' post='958299']

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If you followed this Team over the past decade, you would understand the respect that Ed Reed is given by all, including every person in the Ravens organization. You would understand that this thing is only viewed as disruptive by outsiders and the people who don't really know the chemistry and make up of this Team. It is also understood that Ed is not the most eloquently spoken individual in interviews and the media has just taken a sound bite, blown it out of proportion and given their own "story book" interpretation of it. Joining in and supporting the slanted media view is not a good thing and if you are a fan, you should just stop.

Should he have said the things he did? Probably not. But no one on the Team has the opinion that the media and some fans have that Ed was throwing Joe under the bus. His comments were taken out of context and it's over and done. Forget about it and move on to discussions of the up coming game.

[scrock]

They are just steady ripping Flacco and Ed Reed as well as the Ravens, they are treating these comments sorta like how the Jets fell apart

Only problem is we are still playing and alive and when we beat the Patriots this weekend they can all start to eat their own words or maybe they'll just take a moment of silence for their stupidity

.....Reed should have kept that in house though, what was he thinking?

[scrock]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1326973024' post='958288']
Debating whether it's worth getting into this nonsense or not..

Na it's not worth it..
Ed is the future HOF safety who has been with the team for year who has the right to say something like this. If you had read, the whole interview before letting your emotions take you then maybe you would agree.
And stop letting espn dictate your every thought and emotion. I haven't watched espn yet this postseason as I'm just as up to date with info as everyone else. Keep the drama out people
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I'm simply stating Ed Reed made a bad choice in judgement in how he handled this. I don't care what he has done and he is older and a leader so he should have known himself what to do. It's just bad timing, I'm not trying to be dramatic but I follow this sports closely as well as MMA and I care.

[funky141]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326976495' post='958312']

Because it's all opinion. It can be disruptive or it can be beneficial. It depends on how people take it. Leading into the playoffs, Tebow had 3 of the worst games he has ever had. He was then basically publically called out by 3 of the leaders on that team. He chose to take it as a challenge. Is it a coincidence that the next game, he had the best game of his career? Maybe. I know it was against a very banged up Steelers team .. doesn't matter. You could see how fired up he was .. he was playing with serious emotion from the first series.

Ony time will tell if this is disruptive, but we've heard all season how they are addressing the play of the offense in house. How has that been working out? We have been winning, but the same problems come up almost every game (receiver seperation, inability to throw receivers open, collapsing pockets and poor pocket awareness, etc.). We have a QB who thinks that he was "in the zone" in the last game. He played well, under the circumstances, but in the zone?

Guess we'll see if it was disruptive in a few days.
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Of course its a opinion....It's the fact that it's disruptive to the team preparing for the game Sunday. Everone who says it's okay, "the media is blowing it out of proportion", Ed being Ed still have the purple shades on. Yes it's a "opinion" its the fact that Flacco, Suggs, Reed and other team members have to answer questions about "Ed Reed's comments" all week leading up to the game.
It takes away the focus for the players... Step back and see Raven nation, the whole nation is talking about Ed Reed's comments and comparing it to the Jets situation and all their talk.
The biggest game for the Ravens in a long time and all everyone is talking about is Reed, Tomlinson, Jets, Ravens and not about the game. See my point?