Really? Jamie Dukes On "no Huddle"

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326979751' post='958338']

YES

I figured it out man, these 'expert analysts' all they are is experts at analyzing a BOX SCORE / [b]STATSHEET[/b]
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Not really, since stats include drops. Apparently Aaron Rodgers' receivers let him down even though they only dropped 3 passes. Joe's receivers dropped 5-6 passes against a better secondary, and it's Joe's fault. The analysts are just clueless.

[Ravens549]

Yeah, I'm really getting fed up with it too. That and all the PA Steelers' fans coming to me to inform me what they heard on ESPN.
Ugh, anything the Steelers fans can find to ruin the week leading up to the Championship game for the Ravens...and they are running with it.
I have stopped watching ESPN as it has grown old.

Dare I say I have never wanted a win so badly for the past 10 years? this is just not a championship game against the Steelers. This appears to be one against the media too.

When does all this negative publicity change from fueling the fire in the team locker room, to a distraction? Perhaps players questioning each others abilities. That is my only concern.

I don't care how we win; win. That way everyone can say what they want and we as fans merely need to reply, "We're going to the Superbowl!"

[scrock]

If you are tired of ESPN and First Take check out the Dan Patrick show, check your listings its on for 3 hours....I think from 9 to 12 or something like that, I have Comcast and it's on Comcast Sports Net channel 30

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326980500' post='958347']

Not to take away from Alex Smith making those throws but his TE is a freak of nature AND the Saints played the 49'ers as a RUN HEAVY team. Now you could luck at us the same way, the Patriots focus will be stop Ray Rice and Ricky Williams, their secondary is a liability too so I look for Joe to hit a couple deep balls to either Torrey, Boldin, or Lee Evans.....they like to put Rice out as a receiver too and he has done it quite well. Then we have Pitta and Dickson.....IF Cam has a gameplan that includes all our weapons

***As far as the Texans D not being the Steel Curtain...they were damn good, they lost their leader Mario Williams and still wreaked havoc. They backed into the playoffs to get people healthy and they locked up their division and had nothing to play for.
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I'm sorry, but those are just excuses. If it was all about having a freak-of-nature receiver, Arizona would be in the playoffs every year. Being QB is about reading the defense, identifying their weaknesses and utilizing your weapons to beat them. That's what he did.

And dude, what are you talking about? The Texans were vying for the #2 seed along with the Ravens and Steelers. Nothing to play for? They were in the thick of it when they lost to the Panthers and Colts. The freaking Colts. They backed into the playoffs because they got their butts beat at the wrong time.

And yes, I have said this time and again this year. If the Ravens play to their potential, there is NO ONE in the NFL who can keep up with them. If the Ravens that played in games like Week 1 and Week 3 show up, they will not be beat. But if the Ravens offense from last weekend shows up again, we are in the very real danger of starting to talk about the upcoming draft Sunday night.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326980961' post='958353']

Not really, since stats include drops. Apparently Aaron Rodgers' receivers let him down even though they only dropped 3 passes. Joe's receivers dropped 5-6 passes against a better secondary, and it's Joe's fault. The analysts are just clueless.
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Just to keep this in perspective, Rodgers'' receivers dropped 8 passes in that game (4 in each half). Don't forget, the Green Bay Packers were the 6th worst team for passes dropped this year with 32, Ravens were 7th with 31 ... Giants and 49ers are tied below the Ravens with 30.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326947693' post='958057']


Joe has brought his team back in multiple games throughout his career... I can think of about 10. Though some didn't end with a W (missed field goal, dropped passes, D not being able to hold on)... now are those considered all big games like the Steelers game? Maybe not but to put your team in a position to win in the final minutes of the game means he has some clutch in him. I think many people don't think he can be clutch at all. I saw him make strives last season in the playoff game against Pitt. I think he'll make even more... this all depends if his offense wants step up with him. He can't do it alone!
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Last year playoff lost was a combination of many wrong things going right for Pittsburgh. We had the Rice Fumble, followed immediately by the Flacco overthrow to R.Clark. Horrible call on L.Webb punt td, Housh blowing it with drop for first down..... And the steelers got that Huge pass to A.Brown.

Has Flacco had other clutch type games yes. He won in Pittsburgh last year with last second TD pass ( but media named it without Big Ben ).
Then there was Thursday night game vs Falcons Flacco lead us down field and scores what appeared to be the game-winning TD with under 2 minutes left. But R.White body slammed Josh Wilson with no call and falcons won....

I'm just a believer that Flacco would be so much better without Cam Cameron.

[jdynamite]

I'm confused as to why u merely highlighted some of my comments. But the only thing you wrote was Flacco had 5 drops too.

And I also stated that my comments in parenthesis. So we're u simply agreeing with me? I was simply stating how Silly it is that Matt Ryan still hasn't faced much scrutiny, while the Ravens just continue to win with Flacco!

[baltravens]

The best thing to do when Jamie Dukes speaks is to hit the mute button on your remote. (I easily do that with Rodney Harrison, too.)
[b]Do not give poor speakers or writers the floor.[/b]

[hawkprey]

Analysts have no concept of defense anymore. It's always QB vs QB. "Flacco can't beat Brady". At what? Thumb wrestling? Because they don't play football at the same time.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326945324' post='958004']
Just watched No Huddle and I'm heated. Jamies Dukes saying Joe is the same guy as Mark Sanchez. Hines Ward saying Ray Rice needs to have a 100 yards to win a game... saying he is a Trent Dilfer. Ray only had six games where he had over a 100 yards on the ground. So that means half the games they won.. Ray Rice running all over the defense had nothing to do with it.. seven if you count last Sunday. Saying Alex Smith proved he can get it done unlike Flacco because of one game against a bad D?

They are basing Seattle & the Jags game as reasons why if Joe throws a lot.. he can't get it done. 2 games??! One of which special teams fumbled twice & missed fields goal twice & the D could not get off the field? The Jags game was a lot like the Houston game where receivers could not get any separation to save their life & Cam made no adjustments. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES THIS?? I'll agree the biggest thing he needs to work on is pocket awareness. But they said the same thing about Eli back in his earlier years & he has gotten a lot better.

This week has not been enjoyable because of all the negative media. Obviously it only gets to you if you let it. But I feel like Joe is my child because I take it so personally lol. I just needed to rant. I really hope Joe shuts all of the haters up on Sunday and his offense actually helps him out!! And I hope Cam misses the bus to NE.
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i hope he´ll shut them up, too. but we all know what happens if we lose against the pretty boy...

even today there are so many stupid people calling nonsense. wait for it what happens after the next loss!!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326982224' post='958365']

Just to keep this in perspective, Rodgers'' receivers dropped 8 passes in that game (4 in each half). Don't forget, the Green Bay Packers were the 6th worst team for passes dropped this year with 32, Ravens were 7th with 31 ... Giants and 49ers are tied below the Ravens with 30.
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Oh. Well in any case we still played a far better secondary than the Giants, and overall the Texans were the much more impressive defense on the season - I think they ranked 4th in the NFL, while the Giants were bottom 5 in defense during the regular season.

[PurplePollock]

I never take what they have to say on the NFL Network seriously. Its all with a grain of salt. And I feel this way when the praise the Ravens or criticize the Ravens. The NFL Network is a news industry which only seeks to stir the pot and cause controversy. Every time they go around and pick who their favorites are, 9 times out of 10 they all pick someone different. Why? Because no one would watch if they all picked the same team. Its what I like to call "loaded news."

Don't buy into it my fellow Ravens fans...most of us may be bias at times, but we certainly know our own team's strengths and weaknessess and have the ability to accurately point them out. The "professionals" however, are inept in that department.

[johnmike72]

Jamie Dukes is a fat slob who thinks hes some philosopher of the game, Flacco has nothing to prove to you, you mean absolutely nothing to this team, and the bottom line is you have no ring, so y r u being so critical of flacco, oh its because ur a loser and Flacco is a winner....

[grantkyle2003]

I still dont get how people are calling joes performance this past weekend dismal or horrible. He didnt turn the ball over via int or fumble and he threw for 2 td's and managed the game and tried his best to give the defense a rest and get refreshed and try to milk the clock. Not his fault the oline couldnt stop water. His performance was determined by the game against a very good defense and he should have better stats this weekend barring some huge collapse. Not every game has to be a blowout or shootout. those games are reserved for teams with no defense. We play tough nosed football and I will garuntee this offense puts up atleast 30 points this weekend. Having hines ward on to talk about a ravens team in the AFC championship was an obvious attempt to sweep the ravens under the rug.

Its ok though the media clearly doesnt want a defensive orientated super bowl with the brothers and want a more pass happy one well guess what championships are won by defense despite how bad idiots like jamie dukes want it to be a quarterback driven league.

[grantkyle2003]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1326985316' post='958422']
Analysts have no concept of defense anymore. It's always QB vs QB. "Flacco can't beat Brady". At what? Thumb wrestling? Because they don't play football at the same time.
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I hate that too, like ben vs flacco, both offenses arent on the field at the same time going at each other. There 2 seperate offenses going against 2 completely different defenses. This isnt a college QB contest or sprint race. I always hate stat comparisons because sometimes they are misleading and dont tell the whole story.

[PurplePollock]

A lot of people are saying that Joe Flacco doesn't get the credit he deserves because of the Conference he plays in and the other QBs in that conference (Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning, Rivers). Yet, Eli Manning claimed to be just as prolific as any QB in the NFL, not just his conference, even with the likes of Brees, Rodgers, Vick, and soon to be Newton. So I think the level of QB comparison in that respect is pretty even.

Granted, E. Manning threw for nearly 5,000 yards this season, had a better pass rating, and had a better TD/INT ratio (I think...), yet only finished 9-7. Flacco has proven time and time again that he's a game winner. Suggs put it plain and simple in saying that they're not the prettiest team, but they get the job done.

Bottom line, I don't care what the critics have to say about how bad of a QB Flacco is because I know he has the mechanics and ability to win games for this franchise. We all acknowledge he has made is fair share of mistakes; he will still make mistakes throughout his career. All the greats do. Heck, even Lewis and Reed have made some hiccups here and there, yet they're still praised left and right. I know that may be me comparing apples to oranges, but you get my drift.

[PuRock]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1326985316' post='958422']
Analysts have no concept of defense anymore. It's always QB vs QB. "Flacco can't beat Brady". At what? Thumb wrestling? Because they don't play football at the same time.
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Duh! In the Oreo Lick off Challenge!

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[ratedr]

Jamie Dukes on Twitter also said that Flacco is the only person keeping us from winning the SB. I don't know why people act like the Ravens were some consistent championship winning juggernaut before he got here and that he just inherited it.

[Sunday QB]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326947203' post='958046']

I'm not surprised. Funny, they said the exact same things about Phil Simms when he was quarterbacking the Giants to two Superbowls. Great defense (maybe the GOAT at any position in Lawrence Taylor), great running backs (Joe Morris ran over 1500 yards one season, I believe), so maybe Phil sees a lot of himself in Joe and what he has to go through being in Baltimore.
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Lets get Phil as our QB coach.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Sunday QB' timestamp='1326995902' post='958730']

Lets get Phil as our QB coach.
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I'd take David Archer as our QB coach over Cam Cameron. But yeah, Phil knows how to play quarterback, and he's got a similar style to Joe's.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Skip and Jamie = idiots. Lets stop talking about these clowns already. Not worth our time

[Tank 92]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326982224' post='958365']

Just to keep this in perspective, Rodgers'' receivers dropped 8 passes in that game (4 in each half). Don't forget, the Green Bay Packers were the 6th worst team for passes dropped this year with 32, Ravens were 7th with 31 ... Giants and 49ers are tied below the Ravens with 30.
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I'm not going to the trouble of researching and doing the math, but I bet if you took these #s and translated them into a percentage, drops/pass attempts, the Ravens(along with the 49ers)would move near the top of the list and definately above the pack.

[callahan09]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326974739' post='958300']

You seem overly sensitive to what the talking heads say. This, I'm not sure what your beef is with what Billick said. Alex Smith went 24/42 for 299 yards, 3 TDs, no interceptions and drove his team down the field in the closing moments; throwing the game winning TD with 9 seconds left to go in the game. He outgunned Drew Brees. That's getting over the hump.

Joe has played OK to poorly in the playoffs. He needs a game like the one Smith just had in the post season to "get over the hump" (in the analyst eyes). Being statistically outperformed by a third string rookie QB (sans INTs) and only being able to lead your team to 3 points in the final 46 minutes of a playoff game is not going to get you much respect (especially when you go on TV and tell people after that game that you felt like you were in the zone for that game). Not sure why people think it would.
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So Joe has never had a breakout performance in the playoffs, but this past weekend showed that Alex Smith has? Let me show you something...

In 2010, the Kansas City Chiefs ranked #8 in opponent QB passer rating, with an average of 78.1 allowed. Joe Flacco went into Kansas City ON THE ROAD, and posted a 115.4.

In 2011, the New Orleans Saints ranked #22 in opponent QB passer rating, with an average of 86.4 allowed. Alex Smith played against them AT HOME and posted a 103.2.

We can calculate an efficiency out of this by dividing the quarterback's earned rating by the defense's average opposition rating:

115.4 / 78.1 = 148%
103.2 / 86.4 = 119%
Now correct me if you think I'm wrong, but:

148% [i][b]on the road[/b][/i] > 119% [b][i][u]at home[/u][/i][/b]

Last year, Flacco put in a more impressive performance against a more difficult defense on the road than Alex Smith just turned in at home last weekend.

Now tell me why Flacco has never and never will broken out in the Playoffs yet Smith has?

Also, "outperformed by a third-string rookie QB (sans INTs)" .... hahaha. You're a funny guy. Yes, let's just remove the aspect of his performance that wasn't good from the stat sheet and say he did great! Also, you're forgetting that even if they both turned the ball over 0 times (and that's conceding a hell of a lot considering Yates turned it over THREE TIMES to Flacco's NONE), you've still got to consider the other aspect of the stat sheets: TWO touchdowns versus NONE.

[callahan09]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326982224' post='958365']

Just to keep this in perspective, Rodgers'' receivers dropped 8 passes in that game (4 in each half). Don't forget, the Green Bay Packers were the 6th worst team for passes dropped this year with 32, Ravens were 7th with 31 ... Giants and 49ers are tied below the Ravens with 30.
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8 drops out of 46 attempts is 17.4%
5 drops out of 27 attempts is 18.5%

From where I'm standing that makes it look like the drops were more regular for Flacco than they were for Rodgers this past weekend.

[chesapeakeaviator]

Just watched the replay of this. Stupid doesn't even sum up that crew. Joe Theismann has been a dolt forever, it probably takes a year's worth of medication to keep Jamie Dukes from trying to lick his own elbow all show, and Hines Ward?!?! Seriously?!?!?

I just laughed at it and the people who watch this and actually take their anaylsis seriously.

[kingcars]

I laughed at the fact that Hines Ward was saying how Joe can't get it done on the road. Um...maybe the concussion Ray gave him in Week 9 made him forget that game?

[wayne]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326960101' post='958182']


The reason so many people say these things aboout Flacco is BECAUSE of idiots like Jamie Dukes. Most people only follow their own teams, and might watch some highlights or something on NFLN, and know next to nothing about other team's players if they're not popular. In other words, they just repeat what they hear without any real knowledge.

That said, Sunday afternoon, with the entire nation watching the AFCCG, Flacco has the perfect opportunity to show what he's made of. It's put up or shut up time.
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To add to this, so many people say the things about Flacco that they say b/c of the primetime games. If I'm not mistaken, Flacco has looked bad in more primetime games than he has looked good or great in. If Flacco can become consistent, all the bashing will be dismissed but he has to become consistent. Rip up the Steelers one week, look terrible against the Titans the next week, look good vs the Bengals one week, look bad vs the Jags the next.... for example. Being inconsistent has plagued Flacco and that's where the bad wrap come from ( other factors that adds to that ).

[PurpleDrink]

Everybody on no huddle said we are going lose, wonder when we win what there next show is going be about.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326945324' post='958004']
Just watched No Huddle and I'm heated. Jamies Dukes saying Joe is the same guy as Mark Sanchez. Hines Ward saying Ray Rice needs to have a 100 yards to win a game... saying he is a Trent Dilfer. Ray only had six games where he had over a 100 yards on the ground. So that means half the games they won.. Ray Rice running all over the defense had nothing to do with it.. seven if you count last Sunday. Saying Alex Smith proved he can get it done unlike Flacco because of one game against a bad D?

They are basing Seattle & the Jags game as reasons why if Joe throws a lot.. he can't get it done. 2 games??! One of which special teams fumbled twice & missed fields goal twice & the D could not get off the field? The Jags game was a lot like the Houston game where receivers could not get any separation to save their life & Cam made no adjustments. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES THIS?? I'll agree the biggest thing he needs to work on is pocket awareness. But they said the same thing about Eli back in his earlier years & he has gotten a lot better.

This week has not been enjoyable because of all the negative media. Obviously it only gets to you if you let it. But I feel like Joe is my child because I take it so personally lol. I just needed to rant. I really hope Joe shuts all of the haters up on Sunday and his offense actually helps him out!! And I hope Cam misses the bus to NE.
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I agree with you 100% man, MARK SANCHEZ, really, REALLY??? lol What a Joke, Jamie Dukes needs to actually watch the freaking games first.

And i think i one of the few that is getting sick of hearing, "OH WE NEED TO FEED RICE THE BALL", We feed him the ball in the TEXANS game, what happened, nada dam thing. And it isnt the first game where RICE is none existent. Love how the media doesnt bring up the Stealers game, the CARDS game and even the Last Texans game where Flacco lead us into the red zone over and over again. And what did we do when we got into the RED ZONE, we ran it over and over again. For neg. yards one time in the red zone. What happened in the TEXANS in the play off game, we tried to run it with no success. We score EVERYTIME we throw when in the end zone. Our 2 TDs were throwing TDs.???? I rest my case.

[dontbnvus]

Forget those clowns ! Seriously. We WILL win this weekend. We WILL win by atleast ten. Joe WILL have a very good day. I see him driving down the field in the fourth to seal the deal with a TD. Defense rocks the Patriots all day. Brady crys atleast 4 times for a flag and maybe even gets a couple. I predict 34 - 24 Balt. Joe with 3 TDs and Rice with 1. 2 fieldgoals. Then we can just sit and laugh while all the same people explain how we cant win the big one. I have faith.

GO RAVENS shut all these clowns up !