Really? Jamie Dukes On "no Huddle"

[raybaby]

Just watched No Huddle and I'm heated. Jamies Dukes saying Joe is the same guy as Mark Sanchez. Hines Ward saying Ray Rice needs to have a 100 yards to win a game... saying he is a Trent Dilfer. Ray only had six games where he had over a 100 yards on the ground. So that means half the games they won.. Ray Rice running all over the defense had nothing to do with it.. seven if you count last Sunday. Saying Alex Smith proved he can get it done unlike Flacco because of one game against a bad D?

They are basing Seattle & the Jags game as reasons why if Joe throws a lot.. he can't get it done. 2 games??! One of which special teams fumbled twice & missed fields goal twice & the D could not get off the field? The Jags game was a lot like the Houston game where receivers could not get any separation to save their life & Cam made no adjustments. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES THIS?? I'll agree the biggest thing he needs to work on is pocket awareness. But they said the same thing about Eli back in his earlier years & he has gotten a lot better.

This week has not been enjoyable because of all the negative media. Obviously it only gets to you if you let it. But I feel like Joe is my child because I take it so personally lol. I just needed to rant. I really hope Joe shuts all of the haters up on Sunday and his offense actually helps him out!! And I hope Cam misses the bus to NE.

[tctony]

Jamie isn't that smart.

And of course Whines Ward is going to say that. He's just mad we beat em TWICE, and they lost to Tebow.

We all know that we have a good QB in Joe, who cares what the media thinks.

[Militant X 1]

these types of threads are popping up like wildfire. lol!

~Mili

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326945324' post='958004']
Just watched No Huddle and I'm heated. Jamies Dukes saying Joe is the same guy as Mark Sanchez. Hines Ward saying Ray Rice needs to have a 100 yards to win a game... saying he is a Trent Dilfer. Ray only had six games where he had over a 100 yards on the ground. So that means half the games they won.. Ray Rice running all over the defense had nothing to do with it.. seven if you count last Sunday. Saying Alex Smith proved he can get it done unlike Flacco because of one game against a bad D?

[b]They are basing Seattle & the Jags game as reasons why if Joe throws a lot.. he can't get it done. [/b]2 games??! One of which special teams fumbled twice & missed fields goal twice & the D could not get off the field? The Jags game was a lot like the Houston game where receivers could not get any separation to save their life & Cam made no adjustments. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES THIS?? I'll agree the biggest thing he needs to work on is pocket awareness. But they said the same thing about Eli back in his earlier years & he has gotten a lot better.

This week has not been enjoyable because of all the negative media. Obviously it only gets to you if you let it. But I feel like Joe is my child because I take it so personally lol. I just needed to rant. I really hope Joe shuts all of the up on Sunday and his offense actually helps him out!! And I hope Cam misses the bus to NE.
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Guess they missed the part where Joe threw 45 times or more this season, and we went 3-1 in those games, while Joe threw 5 TDs and had only 2 picks.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm a little confused by the No Huddle. It seemed like Sanders was defending Joe, then he starts talking against him. I'm not really sure what that was. Maybe he was feeling a little bipolar. All four of them have picked against us to win. They all seem to feel that Joe doesn't have the talent to beat the Patriots. Deion even said that we don't have the corners to stop the Patriots. I think Webb can take down Welker, not really sure if I know anything or not but I think he matches up well against him.

Dukes was pretty stupid with his words. He at least said Joe has the potential to get there.

[ravenwildman]

Yeah I watched most the show then had to change the channel before I blow a fuse. Same thing on Inside the NFL on Showtime with Chris Collinsworth talking like we have the most terrible offense in the NFL.

I have to hand it to Phil Sims, he stood up for our offense and Flacco, saying "show me something specific that Flacco didn't do last week". Sims said it makes him mad all the garbage thrown on Flacco.

Sims, you the man!

I hope NE believes our offense is weak, I hope this puts a chip on the Raven offense's shoulder!

I hope we tear them apart Sunday!!!!!

GO RAVENS!

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326945751' post='958010']

Guess they missed the part where Joe threw 45 times or more this season, and we went 3-1 in those games, while Joe threw 5 TDs and had only 2 picks.
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those my friend, are some good stats. I didn't know that about this season. Thank you.

[raybaby]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326945751' post='958010']

Guess they missed the part where Joe threw 45 times or more this season, and we went 3-1 in those games, while Joe threw 5 TDs and had only 2 picks.
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Exactly... I think they mean when he throws a lot & Ray Rice gets under 20 carries. But again there were a couple games Ray Rice got under 20 carries and still won... Hines should know about one of them because it was at his house.

[jdynamite]

While Jamie Dukes is an idiot. People are up on Alex Smith because no one could have imaged Smith going score for score against Brees and that offense regardless of how bad a defense the saints have.
Now realize the flip side of this is that people are mentioning how much worse statistically the patriots defense is so they are saying Joe Flacco should have a great game passing wise. ( Alex smith threw for 299 3 TDs and ran 1 td ). So I think critics feel that Flacco needs to have. Game near 250 2tds. Where he impacts the game.
(Deion did mention the drops affected his totals, but once again not much else can be said )

[killaflacco]

hatas gon hate......

[raybaby]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1326945852' post='958013']
I'm a little confused by the No Huddle. It seemed like Sanders was defending Joe, then he starts talking against him. I'm not really sure what that was. Maybe he was feeling a little bipolar. All four of them have picked against us to win. They all seem to feel that Joe doesn't have the talent to beat the Patriots. Deion even said that we don't have the corners to stop the Patriots. I think Webb can take down Welker, not really sure if I know anything or not but I think he matches up well against him.
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Yeah Deion was being Joe's attorney yet what? a day ago? He called Joe's performance dismal? That makes a lot of sense.

[kingcars]

I watched No Huddle and also noticed the bipolar Deion stuff, but I think all this negative media is just more fuel for the fire. Keep piling it on guys, this fire is gonna get huge. I like going in as the underdog like this.

[raybaby]

[quote name='ravenwildman' timestamp='1326946167' post='958016']
Yeah I watched most the show then had to change the channel before I blow a fuse. Same thing on Inside the NFL on Showtime with Chris Collinsworth talking like we have the most terrible offense in the NFL.

I have to hand it to Phil Sims, he stood up for our offense and Flacco, saying "show me something specific that Flacco didn't do last week". Sims said it makes him mad all the garbage thrown on Flacco.

Sims, you the man!
[/quote]

I love Phil Simms... he is one of the few analyst who sees what we see in Joe.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326946282' post='958019']

Exactly... I think they mean when he throws a lot & [b]Ray Rice gets under 20 carries.[/b] But again there were a couple games Ray Rice got under 20 carries and still won... Hines should know about one of them because it was at his house.
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Well see herein lies the problem (and the stupidity of whoever calls the plays, I've often thought it was Cam Cameron, but if Joe's audibling out to pass...) Joe is one of the best in the league at running play action, and a lot of the plays this offense, the Air Coryell system, runs, are designed through play action. In order to run play action, you have to run the football. When Ray Rice is given his touches, it doesn't matter how much Joe throws, he does well. When Ray Rice gets no carries (i.e. 8 carries in Jacksonville, 5 carries in Seattle) and the ENTIRE burden of moving the football and scoring falls totally on the passing offense, we get in trouble, especially since the lack of run means no play-action to disguise the pass.

So it's not a matter of how many times Joe throws, it's a matter of balancing the pass run ratio, because this offense is built to throw a lot, it's just not built to[i] only[/i] throw the ball a lot and avoid running entirely.

[The Black Bird]

What made me mad is that all of them said that Joe can't get it done and win this game. Even against the worst defense in the league.

[Bltravens]

Frick me, we are getting totally ripped apart in the media this week. I would LOVE it if we came out and just fed it to the Patriots. Man I want that to happen so bad, just so the media can shove it.

I was whatever about it before, but damn its just not relenting at all.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1326945324' post='958004']
Just watched No Huddle and I'm heated. Jamies Dukes saying Joe is the same guy as Mark Sanchez. Hines Ward saying Ray Rice needs to have a 100 yards to win a game... saying he is a Trent Dilfer. Ray only had six games where he had over a 100 yards on the ground. So that means half the games they won.. Ray Rice running all over the defense had nothing to do with it.. seven if you count last Sunday. Saying Alex Smith proved he can get it done unlike Flacco because of one game against a bad D?

They are basing Seattle & the Jags game as reasons why if Joe throws a lot.. he can't get it done. 2 games??! One of which special teams fumbled twice & missed fields goal twice & the D could not get off the field? The Jags game was a lot like the Houston game where receivers could not get any separation to save their life & Cam made no adjustments. AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES THIS?? I'll agree the biggest thing he needs to work on is pocket awareness. But they said the same thing about Eli back in his earlier years & he has gotten a lot better.

This week has not been enjoyable because of all the negative media. Obviously it only gets to you if you let it. But I feel like Joe is my child because I take it so personally lol. I just needed to rant. I really hope Joe shuts all of the haters up on Sunday and his offense actually helps him out!! And I hope Cam misses the bus to NE.
[/quote]

Eh, don't let them get under your skin too much. When it gets to me I just remember all the hate they spewed on us during our last SB run. That ended well and had them all eating crow for a bit.

[jdynamite]

I wouldn't call Deion defense bi-polar. He started by really defending Flacco by saying how he had balls dropped. Then Joe Theisman did a Skip bayless to him and flooded him with questions that were actually statements discussed as questions so that Deion agrees with the statement. Then Jamie Dukes was already throwing out questions such as has he led them by throwing to win in "big games" other than the steeler game. And everyone says "no".

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='ravenwildman' timestamp='1326946167' post='958016']
Yeah I watched most the show then had to change the channel before I blow a fuse. Same thing on Inside the NFL on Showtime with Chris Collinsworth talking like we have the most terrible offense in the NFL.

I have to hand it to Phil Sims, he stood up for our offense and Flacco, saying "show me something specific that Flacco didn't do last week". Sims said it makes him mad all the garbage thrown on Flacco.

Sims, you the man!

I hope NE believes our offense is weak, I hope this puts a chip on the Raven offense's shoulder!

I hope we tear them apart Sunday!!!!!

GO RAVENS!
[/quote]

I'm not surprised. Funny, they said the exact same things about Phil Simms when he was quarterbacking the Giants to two Superbowls. Great defense (maybe the GOAT at any position in Lawrence Taylor), great running backs (Joe Morris ran over 1500 yards one season, I believe), so maybe Phil sees a lot of himself in Joe and what he has to go through being in Baltimore.

[wayne]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1326945695' post='958009']
these types of threads are popping up like wildfire. lol!

~Mili
[/quote]

With the way that these threads pop up, it makes you feel that maybe they are right. I mean, why would anyone constantly make threads getting upset at anyone that says anything negative about Joe? Its like when you accuse someone of something and they get extra defensive and for some, that's a dead give away that you are guilty.

How many threads are going to be made about anyone that say the slightest negative thing about Flacco? ( why ain't these threads merged ). Also, some of what they are saying, I agree with them and many others have said the same thing so its not like its a surprise or anything. Flacco has a chance to prove them wrong this up and coming Sunday. Of course the microscope will be put on Joe b/c most people in America feel that we have all the pieces to win it but the one piece that can hold us back is Joe. On a team with a great runing game and great defense, its only so many other things you can point to.

Simply put, its a reason almost everyone in America says the same things about Flacco and I'm sure a lot of them know football just like we do. Flacco has a chance to shut them all up, its that simple. As long as this team wins most of their games off of the defense and the running game, Joe will always be criticized even if we win the SB.

[raybaby]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326946813' post='958035']

Well see herein lies the problem (and the stupidity of whoever calls the plays, I've often thought it was Cam Cameron, but if Joe's audibling out to pass...) Joe is one of the best in the league at running play action, and a lot of the plays this offense, the Air Coryell system, runs, is designed through play action. In order to run play action, you have to run the football. When Ray Rice is given his touches, it doesn't matter how much Joe throws, he does well. When Ray Rice gets no carries (i.e. 8 carries in Jacksonville, 5 carries in Seattle) and the ENTIRE burden of moving the football and scoring falls totally on the passing offense, we get in trouble, especially since the lack of run means no play-action to disguise the pass.

So it's not a matter of how many times Joe throws, it's a matter of balancing the pass run ratio, because this offense is built to throw a lot, it's just not built to[i] only[/i] throw the ball a lot and avoid running entirely.
[/quote]

I completely agree with you... the Ravens have never had a system that can have an all out pass game. Our offense has never operated that way & trying to change that during the season you are going to see some shaky results. But that is in no way Joe's fault. It's just how our offense gets into rhythm. It would take a good offseason to even think about transitioning into something else.

[D_UP]

Who cares? I'm telling you if you are easily angered then stay away from espn, nfl network because they will be ripping flacco hard Its part of the business I have faith in number 5.

[Moderator 2]

I have never like Simms until this year, but he has been a staunch Flacco defender, I am so sick of the haters.

[raybaby]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1326947082' post='958043']
I wouldn't call Deion defense bi-polar. He started by really defending Flacco by saying how he had balls dropped. Then Joe Theisman did a Skip bayless to him and flooded him with questions that were actually statements discussed as questions so that Deion agrees with the statement. Then Jamie Dukes was already throwing out questions such as has he led them by throwing to win in "big games" other than the steeler game. And everyone says "no".
[/quote]

Joe has brought his team back in multiple games throughout his career... I can think of about 10. Though some didn't end with a W (missed field goal, dropped passes, D not being able to hold on)... now are those considered all big games like the Steelers game? Maybe not but to put your team in a position to win in the final minutes of the game means he has some clutch in him. I think many people don't think he can be clutch at all. I saw him make strives last season in the playoff game against Pitt. I think he'll make even more... this all depends if his offense wants step up with him. He can't do it alone!

[raybaby]

[quote name='D_UP' timestamp='1326947516' post='958053']
Who cares? I'm telling you if you are easily angered then stay away from espn, nfl network because they will be ripping flacco hard Its part of the business I have faith in number 5.
[/quote]

I agree that is the best thing is to just not listen to it but part of why your team being in the playoffs is so exciting is because of what the media does to cover the games that are going to be played. It builds up the anticipation... which is almost as great as the actual game but this week the media just made it extremely draining thats all my point is.

[JO_75]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1326946324' post='958021']
While Jamie Dukes is an idiot. People are up on Alex Smith because no one could have imaged Smith going score for score against Brees and that offense regardless of how bad a defense the saints have.[/quote]

*sigh* You know this is the one thing I hate about the media, they flip flop faster than you can blink your eye. Before the season, everyone kept saying how it would be a mistake for the 49ers to keep Alex, that they should move on, etc. Now I do understand that he was great all season but your telling me one playoff win means he is proven, just because Alex kept pace with Brees? It would be nice if the media actually stuck with their opinions or actually admitted when they were wrong.

[Ngata92NT]

That segment was just unbelievable, how can they possibly air such moronic crap? They seriously said that they saw more from Trent Dilfer during the Raven's Superbowl run then they've seen out of Flacco his entire career. Has Hines become so geriatric that he's forgotten Flacco shredding Pittsburgh the last 2 games? Or last season with that game-winning TD drive? What about this season vs Arizona? Cincinatti? St. Louis? Houston? All games where Flacco balled out and made game-changing plays. Did they seriously watch the game against Houston? I think Flacco should win a fricking medal for that performace. The O-Line got demolished, I saw Flacco escape 3 Texans on one play and still get sacked. There was no pocket, the defense had great containment on the edges, the receivers ran predictable routes (thanks Cam) and got no seperation (including some obvious defensive PI which wasn't called), they dropped several passes, Ray Rice got NOTHING on the ground, thereby eliminating the effectiveness of play-action (which Cam builds the entire fricking passing game around).

Yet Flacco puts on his big boy pants, takes the sacks like a man, and keeps fighting, keeps his cool, doesn't force any throws, and does enough to win the game. People give all the credit to the defense, and the defense deserves credit, but it wasn't as if they were perfect, Arian Foster shredded us in the first half. How many QBs do you know who would've kept their composure in that situation? Not many QBs have the strength to take those hits and keep firing and the level-headedness to not force throws even when the receivers are blanketed and the pocket collapses. Joe's first TD he ran directly into Vonta and still managed to squeeze a pass to a 3rd string TE in the endzone. If the receivers hadn't dropped those passes and Ray had been toting the rock effectively Flacco would've had much better numbers. But heres the numbers that are important: 2TDs 0INTS, and 20-13.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

The No Huddle foursome was predictable except for Neon Deion. Shame on him for doubting the Ravens. I thought he liked our team. Apparently, he would just like to see the Ravens win so he could see Sugar Ray Lewis make it to another SB. As for the others, they are hardly objective. You have a one-time SB QB from the Redskins who likens Joe to Trent Dilfer and referred to Joe as a game manager. Then there's Hines Ward. Yea, he's goin to root for us! Then there's Jamie Dukes who claims Joe can perform if he catches lightning in a bottle. Who really thinks any of these pundits minds will be changed if we win. For whatever reason, some of the punditswill never admit they are wrong and will find a way to deflect the credit away from Joe Flacco even if he carries the team on his back on Sunday. I believe he can if the coaches expect him to do it. Fortunately, our team is much more balanced than many of the other NFL teams so he isn't expected to carry the team. Hmmm, isn't that what happened to the professional football team from Indy? If our team plays another nearly flawless game against the Pats, i.e., zero turnovers and zero penalties, we will defeat the Pats with or w/o Tom Brady et al. If you are still a B'more fan who wishes someone else was our QB, express your opinion after the season because your opinion doesn't really matter any more than mine or Ed Reed's. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, what a Merry Christmas it will be. Joe is our man.

[raybaby]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1326949090' post='958084']

*sigh* You know this is the one thing I hate about the media, they flip flop faster than you can blink your eye. Before the season, everyone kept saying how it would be a mistake for the 49ers to keep Alex, that they should move on, etc. Now I do understand that he was great all season but your telling me one playoff win means he is proven, just because Alex kept pace with Brees? It would be nice if the media actually stuck with their opinions or actually admitted when they were wrong.
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The thing about the 49ers they were in the same position as the Ravens O was in against the Texans. They had great field position because the D & special teams created 4 Saints turnovers in the 1st half. The thing is they didn't capitalized on all the turnovers which made the game a lot closer. The offense than went into a stall for majority of the game. Until the Saints O came back and got a 1 point lead. Than they were put in a must score situation. The Saints counter their score again & they were put into another must score situation. No denying it was clutch but I would love to see them do that against the Steelers D of last year instead of a Saints D that couldn't stop a runny nose. People are saying Joe couldn't get it done but Alex did.. Ok. Joe went against the best defense IN Pittsburgh & there were crucial drops (big surprise) yet that means he is less clutch? Because who he had to go up against was harder & his receivers couldn't make the clutch play either?

[JO_75]

I could care less what Hines has to say, Steelers players and their fans have lost the right to trash talk about the Ravens due to the fact that the Ravens swept the Steelers, and the fact they got Tebowed right out of the first round of the playoffs.