Will The Media And Fans Run Flacco Out Of Baltimore?

[theblackdog]

I want to think that Joe is intelligent enough to know that there are always going to be fans that are fickle enough that they will never be happy with him, even when he's doing well. Yes, he's frustrated me sometimes, but I'm still sticking with Joe, and I certainly hope he will stick with us. Given his history, I think he will so long as he has the confidence of Harbaugh and Bisciotti.

I stayed to get player autographs on Sunday and even though Joe was the last to leave, there were plenty of people who stuck around to cheer for him and ask for his autograph. I heard that one reason he took so long to leave after the other players left was he was in a meeting with Harbs and Bisciotti. I could picture Steve telling him not to worry about what the fans and media are going to say about his performance against the Texans, that he still believes in Joe and so does Harbs. If that's how it went down (and likely talk about wanting to sign him to something long term after this season) then it should be a huge boost to his confidence going into Foxborough this weekend.

I think Joe can do it, and I think he'll stick around here for a long time. We really should appreciate what we have, especially after we had the revolving door of QB's for so long.

[Marc2k6]

For the local media here to make a big deal out of Ed Reeds comments is out of control and I am embarrassed for them!

[scrock]

At first I started saying this as a joke but now I'm starting to think, Yes, the media and the fans aren't grateful enough

The didn't get there fix of quality QBs like Troy Smith, Anthony Wright, Tony Banks? Kyle Boller, Elvis Grbac, etc.

Joe Flacco takes way to much heat, all he does is win and it wouldn't shock me if he left for a place like the Browns who would LOVE, and I do mean LOVE LOVE LOVE to have him

[RavensButterfly]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326945090' post='958002']


Everything I think, but spoken much more beautifully than I'm capable of. Thank you.
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Your welcome.

[scrock]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1326921593' post='957456']
I still believe that Joe needs to separate from Cameron...Perhaps a new OC/QB Coach would help in his development but if that happens and he still struggles then the Flacco experiment probably failed...IMO
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This is what I think as well, Joe needs a more offensive friendly OC as well as more offensive personnel. For as much as the league has leaned to favor the offense the Ravens still don't have the quality personnel to take advantage of these rules. It's play defense and run, Steve Bisciotti (sp?) said that he'd be willing to have a small drop off in defense if it meant bringing the offense up a couple notches.

Cam Cameron is not the man for the job, I would love to have someone like Gary Kubiak....but he's a head coach so he's not coming anytime soon

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Joe Flacco will eventually get the monkey off his back and join the company of elite QBs in the league, whether he remains in Baltimore or not. I hope he'll stay here but I wouldn't blame him for leaving given the negative feedback he gets from many B'more fans and local media pundits. Remember, it was not that long ago that John Elway refused to play in Baltimore. Fans here need to wake up and smell the roses. Joe's a winner, not a whiner as some pundits like to say! Its just a matter of time before he gets to a SB. Hopefully, it will be this year as a Raven. I thought we were going last year too but some unfortunate play-calling and coaching errors led to our demise in Pittsburgh. It is not easy to play in the shadow of greats like Unitas, Montana and Elway. The current example of Alex Smith is very similar to Joe's situation. When the Niners win, Gore and the defense get the credit. When they lose, Alex gets the blame. If they lose this weekend to the Giants, he'll be a bum again to many Niner fans just like he was before he out-dueled Drew Brees. I give Baltimore fans more credit than having such poor football functional intelligence or IQ as the Niner fans.

[SirPainsalot]

We should just ignore the media. All they focus on is the stats. They don't actually [i]watch[/i] the games...
If they did, they would realize that the WRs dropped the ball a bunch of times.
Most likely because they can't get separation due to a predictable offensive coordinator.

If you lost some confidence in Joe Flacco, allow me to restore your confidence with some actual stats.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/3l2Lq.jpg[/img]


P.S. Those were years under Cam Cameron.

And another.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/brmrR.png[/img]


Also another interesting fact is the average rank of defenses Flacco faced.

1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7, 9, 10, 10, 16, t18, t18, 22, 25
Average rank: 9.5

That's with a completely brand new WR crew too.
So you see, Flacco has plenty of potential left to be discovered. All we need to do is to either kick Cam Cameron out or play No-Huddle Shotgun for the rest of the playoffs and ride our way to victory.

[scrock]

I could make the argument that the offensive system a QB is in makes just as much difference on the QB and his performance that a QB makes just based on his abilities.

Look at the Patriots a few years ago, Brady goes down and some kid name Matt Cassell steps in and takes over like no problem at all. Then the Packers this year another great offensive system, some would call them QB friendly, well Rodgers skipped a game at the end of the year, his backup comes in and breaks club records all the while leading his team to victory over a hungry playoff team in the Lions

So not only do you need a quality QB but the offense he is in makes a BIG DEAL as well

[scrock]

[quote name='SirPainsalot' timestamp='1326961570' post='958209']
We should just ignore the media. All they focus on is the stats. They don't actually [i]watch[/i] the games...
If they did, they would realize that the WRs dropped the ball a bunch of times.
Most likely because they can't get separation due to a predictable offensive coordinator.

If you lost some confidence in Joe Flacco, allow me to restore your confidence with some actual stats.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/3l2Lq.jpg[/img]


P.S. Those were years under Cam Cameron.

And another.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/brmrR.png[/img]


Also another interesting fact is the average rank of defenses Flacco faced.

1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7, 9, 10, 10, 16, t18, t18, 22, 25
Average rank: 9.5

That's with a completely brand new WR crew too.
So you see, Flacco has plenty of potential left to be discovered. All we need to do is to either kick Cam Cameron out or play No-Huddle Shotgun for the rest of the playoffs and ride our way to victory.
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That's a great piece of info, Brees took a few years before he really exploded and isnt it a little weird that it happened at the exact same time he GOT AWAY from Cam Cameron .....hmmmm

[nyc9192]

I appreciate Joe.I watch all these ESPN pundits get on Joe about his rating and completions but when its Tebow every excuse is given.Its really sad. He can have 2/100 completions but if he wins it all good. Joe does the same thing with better stats and wins but it doesn't matter. The man can't even enjoy his birthday week without hearing it from every damn tv show or newspaper. The boy wins.Sometimes hes the main reason and the sometimes hes not.The success that we've had over the last four years has alot to do with him. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it and say Joe everything right but in his defense he's had a shaky o line for most of his career, a OC whose more conservative and vanilla than lord knows what, and he actually plays in a division with real defenses unlike some of these other qbs with "good stats". I hope that Joe comes out slingin on Sunday and shuts down Foxboro. I hope he plays to the point that even if we lose,he won't be the reason. I think Joe has a game to remember and leaves everyone in awe at what hes capable of as we pull it out in Foxboro.

[scrock]

[quote name='nyc9192' timestamp='1326965327' post='958238']
[b]I appreciate Joe.I watch all these ESPN pundits get on Joe about his rating and completions but when its Tebow every excuse is given.Its really sad. He can have 2/100 completions but if he wins it all good. Joe does the same thing with better stats and wins but it doesn't matter.[/b] The man can't even enjoy his birthday week without hearing it from every damn tv show or newspaper. The boy wins.Sometimes hes the main reason and the sometimes hes not.The success that we've had over the last four years has alot to do with him. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it and say Joe everything right but in his defense he's had a shaky o line for most of his career, a OC whose more conservative and vanilla than lord knows what, and he actually plays in a division with real defenses unlike some of these other qbs with "good stats". I hope that Joe comes out slingin on Sunday and shuts down Foxboro. I hope he plays to the point that even if we lose,he won't be the reason. I think Joe has a game to remember and leaves everyone in awe at what hes capable of as we pull it out in Foxboro.
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This is exactly how I feel.

Look at that chart above of Drew Brees under Cam Cameron, Joe has just as good numbers if not better in some areas. Brees goes to New Orleans gets into a good QB friendly offense with Sean Peyton and he blossoms into the darling of the league.

Not too many people thought much of Drew Brees in San Diego, if they did why on earth would you be drafting a QB with the #1? #2? pick?

The Offensive system goes hand in hand in a QB's success....

[nyc9192]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326966022' post='958241']

This is exactly how I feel.

Look at that chart above of Drew Brees under Cam Cameron, Joe has just as good numbers if not better in some areas. Brees goes to New Orleans gets into a good QB friendly offense with Sean Peyton and he blossoms into the darling of the league.

Not too many people thought much of Drew Brees in San Diego, if they did why on earth would you be drafting a QB with the #1? #2? pick?

The Offensive system goes hand in hand in a QB's success....
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True man. I remember '04 in the playoff vs the Jets when Brees had lost the game. After that, it was pretty much it for Drew Brees in SD. The final nail in the coffin was when he had that shoulder surgery. Seeing what hes doing in NO, I'm more than sure the guys in San Diego want him back[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/th_gardensmiley.gif[/img]

[Milton145]

Well at least Joe got what he want and the media is COVERED with Ravens news...98% of the Ravens coverage is about him.

[scrock]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1326970904' post='958274']
Well at least Joe got what he want and the media is COVERED with Ravens news...98% of the Ravens coverage is about him.
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Yeah, that's just how the media works, they think there is a story about Ed Reed not believing in Joe or that Joe can be easily rattled. So of course they jump on it and try to make it something its not...but still, Ed Reed said it the wrong way...he was right to all out the ENTIRE offense and he should have called out Cam Cameron who is the only man holding us back from greatness

Shoot, give Joe Flacco a real OC with some weapons like Bress or Rogers has and he would be top 5 AT LEAST

[TXRaven]

No Joe is our guy. Don't matter if you love him or hate him. He is a Raven. I do not think he is perfect but look what he has accomplished thus far in his career, and he will only get better. You don't win that many games by accident.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1326951489' post='958112']
Joe won't leave, as much as the media and fans might frustrate him he's had overwhelming success here, reaching the post-season every year. [b]The organization is great, [/b]I'm sure Joe appreciates the players around him and the talent and wisdom of the front office. Joe wouldn't let the media or the haters run him out of town, in fact it might give him MORE incentive to stay just to shut people up. Would you guys listen to the morons on the media? NO!! So why would Joe, he knows better than anyone what the reality is, that he's a great QB who is still in the earliest stages of his career. Make no mistake, the Ravens will NOT allow that kind of consistency and talent be enticed away from Baltimore. And Joe will have no reason to go, because he has unfinished business here and great teammates to help him achieve those goals.

I'm sure he'll love being able to shove his rings in the faces of all the media who doubted him. If not this year, then in the next decade of dominance that this team is built for. If the organization keeps stock-piling talent at this rate and retaining key players than this will be a dynasty, we've already shown that we've a Defensive dynasty, the best in the NFL in the last decade. Now with Joe, Torrey, Rice, Yanda, Vonta, Pitta, Dickson, and Boldin on the offense we can start bringing the offense to the same level. We have been the most balanced team in the NFL this season, thats always been the blue-print for success. And next year with a new offensive scheme (PLEASE!) and more experience on the offensive side (and hopefully some great young talent) we should improve greatly. Why would Flacco want to flee to a team like the DOLPHINS for gods sake?! Trade consistency, character, and young talent for a totally dysfunctional team and a couple extra $$? That doesn't sound like Joe Flacco to me...
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This might keep him here.

I don't think Flacco WANTS to leave and I know our FO will give him a fair offer to stay. I honestly believe that it could come down to whether or not he is asked to continue with Cam at the OC position. Even when you see them interact on the sidelines, there is that aura from Flacco of distaste. I've seen Cam more animated congratulating defensive players on good plays than he is with Joe.

We can't control the media.

I think Ed meant something entirely different than the media portrayed, still, he is a vet and should have known better than throw anything negative at the media. They are having a field day right now. Eh, they are who they are and I don't think Flacco really pays them much mind.

We can only control ourselves and support our QB as much as we are able.

[scrock]

Flacco better stay and I'm sure the Ravens will make him an offer at some point, as they say the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

How many teams would trade with us ? Probably well over half..or half at least.

A QB on the rise, 4 straight trips to the playoffs, 2 AFC Championship games.....a chance at a SuperBowl ?

Any takers

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1326974300' post='958294']

This might keep him here.

I don't think Flacco WANTS to leave and I know our FO will give him a fair offer to stay. I honestly believe that it could come down to whether or not he is asked to continue with Cam at the OC position. Even when you see them interact on the sidelines, there is that aura from Flacco of distaste. I've seen Cam more animated congratulating defensive players on good plays than he is with Joe.

We can't control the media.

I think Ed meant something entirely different than the media portrayed, still, he is a vet and should have known better than throw anything negative at the media. They are having a field day right now. Eh, they are who they are and I don't think Flacco really pays them much mind.

We can only control ourselves and support our QB as much as we are able.
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I agree. After the season is done, however it ends, I hope we hire Hue Jackson to replace Cam because he's got a much better relationship with Joe. You can say whatever you want about Cam's play calling and how much of an issue it is, but the fact that his relationship with Joe is strained is a big concern.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1326974525' post='958298']

I agree. After the season is done, however it ends, I hope we hire Hue Jackson to replace Cam because he's got a much better relationship with Joe. You can say whatever you want about Cam's play calling and how much of an issue it is, but [b]the fact that his relationship with Joe is strained is a big concern.[/b]
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This is my biggest issue. I know Joe isn't happy with Cam, and there was an interview (Daniel Wilcox?) where the guy said Joe flat out hates Cam. I don't believe he or a lot of the players trust Cam at all, and you can't have a lack of trust and be successful.

[scrock]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326978580' post='958323']

This is my biggest issue. I know Joe isn't happy with Cam, and there was an interview (Daniel Wilcox?) where the guy said Joe flat out hates Cam. I don't believe he or a lot of the players trust Cam at all, and you can't have a lack of trust and be successful.
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and if that's true you know it's not good for the ENTIRE offense

I think win, lose...whatever happens this year, CAM needs to go

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326979456' post='958334']

and if that's true you know it's not good for the ENTIRE offense

I think win, lose...whatever happens this year, CAM needs to go
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But who makes that decision? John is close to Cam, and whatever I think of Cam as an OC, I'm sure he's a nice guy etc., but would John fire his friend? Would someone like Ozzie or Eric, who I'm sure watch all the tapes and talk to the players, be willing to override John's authority and let Cam go if it came to that? Of course, what I'm really, really hoping is that we win the Superbowl and some owner hires Cam to be his new head coach.

[scrock]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326982916' post='958376']

But who makes that decision? John is close to Cam, and whatever I think of Cam as an OC, I'm sure he's a nice guy etc., but would John fire his friend? Would someone like Ozzie or Eric, who I'm sure watch all the tapes and talk to the players, be willing to override John's authority and let Cam go if it came to that? Of course, what I'm really, really hoping is that we win the Superbowl and some owner hires Cam to be his new head coach.
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Coach is close to him? So what, this is the NFL, the Head Coach's job is on the line too....maybe not this year but u get my point. John Harbaugh wont keep him around because they are friends. Not only that but Steve Bisciotti (sp?) will have some input like hey guys we are wasting all these great defenses because we cant call any creative plays to score points.

Cam Cameron is really limited, imo

[ravensfan2430]

If anybody were to speak up this week, I wish it would have been the offensive line or receivers. They must love the fact Flacco is taking the heat for their mistakes.

[grantkyle2003]

If I was flacco I would win it all this year and go hit free angency and make the team franchise me. then maybe the ungrateful fans and media(preston) will see how good we got it at the position. I dont see matty boy down in ATL winning alot of games this year or in the playoffs, hell they were one and done and cant do lick outside of a dome. There are atleast 16 other teams who would kill to have the solid QB play we have here in Baltimore.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='grantkyle2003' timestamp='1326987561' post='958467']
If I was flacco I would win it all this year and go hit free angency and make the team franchise me. then maybe the ungrateful fans and media(preston) will see how good we got it at the position. I dont see[b] matty boy[/b] down in ATL winning alot of games this year or in the playoffs, hell they were one and done and cant do lick outside of a dome. There are atleast 16 other teams who would kill to have the solid QB play we have here in Baltimore.
[/quote]

The thing that burns me the most about Ryan is that he has the weapons, but when it comes time to do it, he can't get it done. You know the Steelers beat the Falcons last year with Roethlisberger suspended? Dennis Dixon beat the Falcons, who only managed 3 fieldgoals in the game. Still, the media thinks he's the next big thing at quarterback.

[Jerseyraven52205527]

We will see Sunday. He must perform. It's painfull to watch him. It's all fans, etc. laugh at his play. No one respects him because he has not earned it. Our success is not because of him and most of our shortfall is because of him.

[grantkyle2003]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326988030' post='958482']

The thing that burns me the most about Ryan is that he has the weapons, but when it comes time to do it, he can't get it done. You know the Steelers beat the Falcons last year with Roethlisberger suspended? Dennis Dixon beat the Falcons, who only managed 3 fieldgoals in the game. Still, the media thinks he's the next big thing at quarterback.
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I would like to see flacco in that offense honestly just too see what he can do with talent like white and jones and gonzalez. Im still glad we got flacco over ryan. I remember that game and you know what it was outside, that team just struggles outside for some reason and they just struggle in the playoffs in general. Like you said they have surrounded ryan with an immense amount of weapons and even traded the franchise for julio last year. I truly believe teams like the saints and falcons and even lions just struggle out doors because there high powered offenses depend on climate controlled conditions.

[PurplePollock]

I don't see Flacco going anywhere anytime soon. He knows that the critics don't determine his level of play. Ozzie and Steve sure see and recognize his talent and will make sure he's retained when his contract is up for re-negotiation. Keep in mind that Joe is nicknamed "Joe Cool" for a reason. He doesn't let all this stuff get under his skin. Granted, as of late he's been more vocal about it all...which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'm proud of Joe and what he's accomplished in his 4 seasons with us this year.

[ArmyRavensFan]

Why wouldn’t Joe want to consider another team? Because of the success he has had here? Yeah the Ravens are winning but no one wants to give him credit for that. No one wants to give Joe credit for being a part of winning half of all playoff victories the Ravens have in their history. Critics like argue about his consistency. Well I will argue that we consistently win. Can we say that about the Ravens prior to Flacco? What was the Ravens record the year before Flacco got here? Others have stated that prior to Joe Flacco we had a better running back, better defense, and better offensive line, but still not made or won playoff games on a consistent basis.

Unfortunately stats are all that seem to matter, not wins, when it comes to public opinion. Well the Ravens are not nor have ever been a team built for QB stats. We are a run first team built around our defense and that is where most of our money goes as well as many of our high draft Picks. We yell that Ray Rice needs to get the ball 30 times a game but at the same time we say that Joe must throw for 300 to 400 yards a game. Oh by the way, the AFC North is not built for this kind of offense. Flacco had to play 12 top 10 pass defenses this year. That alone should speak that his numbers should be down. You’re not a top defense because you allow QBs to throw and score on you at will.

It’s not like the Ravens have given Flacco a great offensive line or receivers. Don’t get me wrong, I like our receivers but we do not have receivers that help the Quarterback out. Fans complain that Joe holds the ball too long waiting for receivers to get open or doesn’t risk throwing balls into tight windows enough. Name a Ravens receiver that constantly goes up and fights for the ball like a Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, or AJ Green? Back shoulder throws are great throws by Aaron Rogers but behind the receiver from Flacco. I am not even talking about all of the dropped passes the past two years.

Joe has already proven once that he will leave a team for a better opportunity elsewhere. He left Pitt to go to Delaware for a chance to start. You can say that if he does he is weak mentally but leaving Pitt was probably the best decision he could have made. Just look at the results. He is a starting QB in the NFL, drafted in the first round. How is Tyler Palko doing? So if Joe is offered another job with a pass oriented offense in a weaker defensive conference with better weather and appreciative fans, why shouldn’t he take it? At least he would be given favorable chance to prove his critics wrong.

With all of that said, I really do not think Ozzie will let Joe go anywhere and will do what he can to keep him. I just think we should be a little more appreciative as fans.

[ninpiggy]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1326930652' post='957758']
I remember people saying to trade Flacco & Rice for Luck. I mean, that's just crazy talk.[/quote]

Oh my gosh. I must not have been on the boards when people were saying this because that is crazy. That's asinine. Oui. As I'm wearing my Ray Rice shirt, I'm shuttering at the thought.

I hope Flacco is able to remain QB in Baltimore. I think he has done an outstanding job thus far and become very excited when I think about the possibility of seeing him play without Cam. I have the utmost faith in Flacco's ability.