Will The Media And Fans Run Flacco Out Of Baltimore?

[Crabcakes&Football]

If we haven't run Cam Cameron out of Baltimore yet, Flacco damn sure better not be going anywhere.

[JO_75]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1326931616' post='957772']
All the kid has done since he came into the league is WIN....

I'm at such a loss as to why he's so mutally hated among the media and a very sad fraction of our own fanbase.
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Yep so true, it seems people forgot what Herm Edwards said... "You Play To Win The Game." He wins, flat out simple, he wins. That was the only thing Tebow did was win games but he gets praised for a half of seasons of work(and I'm a Tebow supporter myself) than Joe who has done nothing but win ever since he got here, he has won playoff games every year. What else does the media want??? Oh wait, I know. For Joe to be playing for one of the media darlings teams and I bet he would be praised like crazy.

[Ravenslifer]

One somewhat interesting effect of Flacco leaving is when we start missing the playoffs again, it would be fun to see how of the Flacco detractors attempt to spin it. Really, it's like some people never heard of Jamal Lewis and Elvis Grbac, or forget that Priest Holmes was a Raven once upon a time, and fail to realize that Ozzie Newsome and the front office tried for years to find "mediocre/average quarterbacks" (Eric Zeier anyone?) - and we still missed the playoffs. However, the perverse side to me is still intrigued by the possibility that Flacco would leave, just to see what happens.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='Jay D83' timestamp='1326921320' post='957445']
With the media constantly running their mouths about Flacco, with (what seems like) half of the fanbase HATING whatever Flacco does, with Baltimore having a rep of being one of the most unglamorious places to play...Will it all ultimately run Flacco out of town?

I *think* that if Flacco played in a huge media market ([b]NY[/b], Dallas, Left Coast, etc) he would be loved and adored. How many teams can say that their team went to the POs 4 years in a row (now). None, except Baltimore. Except, it seems that to a lot of people in B More, what he does is simply not enough. Dallas hadn't won a playoff game in eons before a few years ago. The Jets got a spark with Sancheese but pissed it away this year. The Chargers always seem to implode at one point in the season damn near every year. Finally, the Redskins haven't sniffed anything in forever. All of the above teams would welcome Flacco (and more importantly his RECORD) with open arms.

I don't understand it - it's not like we're Philly, who've NEVER won a Superbowl - we've won [profanity deleted] before, we should know better. We're not going to reach 6-7 rings anytime soon, and it seems like some Ravens fans have Steeler complex. We HAVE to match or surpass their Superbowl trophies. Of course they won't say it, but I suspect it's true.

Why people in Baltimore seem to hate him is beyond me. The media, I can sort of understand because I don't think they like Baltimore anyway, no matter what happens (but that's another thread).

I said all of that to say this - fans need to start appreciating him because when contract talks come around, he may very well leave. He may say, [profanity deleted] all of the BS that I had to go through in Baltimore, and let me go to a major market where I'll be loved, adored, and filthy rich. Winning may come secondary then.

I can imagine what would happen if THAT occured.

Count your blessings, ya know. You never miss the water until the well is bone dry.
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If Joe would leave bmore because of the Baltimore media, he wouldn't survive training camp with the New York media.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1326931616' post='957772']
All the kid has done since he came into the league is WIN....

I'm at such a loss as to why he's so mutally hated among the media and a very sad fraction of our own fanbase.
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excellent question sir.

[adam713]

<div>[quote name='True' timestamp='1326922946' post='957530'] Look at what [u]they said[/u] about Micheal Jordan..[/quote] TRUTH. We as fans should find a way to pour some love toward Joe. Not sure how but he deserves some encouragement. Between the media and Ed's comments being blown out, I believe it's a bit much for a winning QB. The man did manage the Texans game and capitalized when he was put in the position too. As the above fan said, let's not become like Eagles fans.

[Jamal]

If hes mentally weak enough to let fans/media drive him out of him out of town, that would be sad on his part.

Now Cam Cameron and Harbs driving him out of town is very possible.

[Jay D83]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1326934076' post='957852']
If Joe would leave bmore because of the Baltimore media, he wouldn't survive training camp with the New York media.
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NO dice. If Flacco was in NY with all of these wins under his belt (including playoffs), they would make him a GOD. They loved Sanchez until the turd that was this season. Sanchez has never gotten close to winning the division, Eli is erratic at best (didn't even win his first playoff game until year 4, and then disappeared in the POs until THIS year), so Flacco would be more than fine in NY. I'd put money on it.

[Jay D83]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1326936057' post='957890']
If hes mentally weak enough to let fans/media drive him out of him out of town, that would be sad on his part.

Now Cam Cameron and Harbs driving him out of town is very possible.
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Who in the hell would want to play where they don't feel appreciated? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd follow the cash!

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1326936057' post='957890']
If hes mentally weak enough to let fans/media drive him out of him out of town, that would be sad on his part.

Now [b]Cam Cameron [/b]and Harbs driving him out of town is very possible.
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Him yes, Harbaugh no. End of discussion

[Grapple Raven]

One good way to show Joe some appreciation is to vote for him in polls that the National media hold...personally I could care less about polls, but it would definately begin to show that the fanbase supports its QB! It is like they say, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and when this fanbase is silent it causes the media to give creedence to the Flacco - haters. We are sometimes our own worst enemy, it is kinda embarassing when it appears that there are more Flacco bashers than there are supporters, because I just don't believe that is true at all...they are just louder!

Go Ravens!!!

P.S. The voting is still open for play of the year (Flacco's 92 yrd. drive to win) on the NFL's website! I voted many times, hope ya'll will too! It's a start!!!

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1326928306' post='957706']
Now that is a good point. So haters, would you rather have an "elite" QB like Rodgers, Brees, or Rivers and who are sitting on their couches watching the big game, or one like Flacco who is still fighting to play in it?
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And that's the problem with the average football fan: everyone is still in the outdated mindset that you need an elite QB to win championships on a regular basis. But the fact is, success is not just defined in championships; otherwise, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly are two of the least successful QBs in NFL history, when their enshrinement in the Hall of Fame says otherwise.

The common complaints I see about Flacco:
- He's "boring"
- He makes mistakes at the worst possible times in the national spotlight
- He's not Peyton Manning/Drew Brees/Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady
- He's not a scrambling QB

The thing is, flashiness doesn't equate to championships; aside from Peyton's entertaining commercials, he's about as plain as white bread. Mistakes happen, and while Flacco's timing is horrible in that regard, he doesn't make those same mistakes so often that he singlehandedly lose games. As for the desire for a scrambling QB, that comes from those who rely heavily on Madden for their football knowledge and are trapped in the mindset that Michael Vick is the most revolutionary player in football.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1326927493' post='957687']
It seems to me, we're just like Philly ... And that's SAD.
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Good point. McNabb took them to 5 NFC Championship Games, 5, and they booed him from the day he got there to the day he left. They got what they wanted in Michael Vick. Now we'll see where that road leads them.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1326939157' post='957930']
Him yes, Harbaugh no. End of discussion
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Harbs is the HC, so at the end of the day, its his fault.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Jay D83' timestamp='1326938671' post='957924']

Who in the hell would want to play where they don't feel appreciated? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd follow the cash!
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Unless you're a Brady or Rodgers type QB, you'll never be fully appreciated anywhere. Its just the nature of the position.

With Cam as his OC, Flacco would be highly criticized on any relevant team in the NFL.

[reediddy]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1326922946' post='957530']
No...

Everyone gets criticized. John Elway is regarded as one of the best QB ever, but he used to get ripped by the media because he couldn't win the Super Bowl when he carried 3 Denver team to the top. Eli Manning was getting killed in NY (even after he won a SB) last season and people laughed earlier in the year when he said he was elite..

Look at what [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRrkfFuUmoE"][u]they said[/u][/url] about Micheal Jordan..
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Truth. Eli and Coughlin were on the hot seat every year before their Super Bowl win. Heck, Coughlin was on the hot seat this past year!!!

There should be a Surgeon General's Warning: Listening too much to these talking heads can adversely affect your health. Do so sparingly.

ESPN/media are a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately business. As soon as Flacco and the Ravens win the Super Bowl he will be considered one of the top 5 qb's in the league

[AsianRice]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1326924666' post='957599']
Bottom line is this:

3 of those QBs that everyone likes to throw in Joe's face will be sitting on their couches watching Flacco play on Sunday.

Rodgers, Brees, Rivers.

And you can add our old friend Big Ben to the list.
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Owned!!!! Flacco haters.......

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1326942622' post='957978']
Owned!!!! Flacco haters.......
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Sadly, they'll just pull out the whole "It's Ray Rice and the defense" card. But still, nobody has yet given me an answer as to how we've gone to 4 straight post-seasons and one at least one game in each with Flacco, yet without him but with a better defense (when Reed and Lewis were younger), a better running back (Jamal Lewis), and a better offensive line (when we had JO, Flynn, etc.) we still managed to miss the playoffs as much as we made them.

[rubberslinky]

Flacco isnt Unitas but he still knows how to feed the beast Ray Rizzle.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensButterfly' timestamp='1326931655' post='957775']


I had to wipe the dust and cobwebs off of my unused account to agree with you on this one.

The criticism Joe takes from our fans alone is tremendous. I'm not highly sensitive to unfavorable opinions or constructive criticism of him either. There is some legitimacy to a variety of different complaints that those who find him less than thrilling, have against him, but the extent of the complaints and the fact that he now seems to be unable to do anything right, or even accidentally be viewed as a major contributing factor to our success as a team is mystifying to me, as well as unsettling and embarrassing.

The man wins. A lot. A whole, whole lot. Two AFCCG appearances in four years? Why is it his fault that we have a stunning defense? Or a solid running game? And Cam. Or a Bipolar disordered offensive line? Joe is a damned good quarter back. When he has time to throw his passes can take your breath away.

His deep ball is wicked and he often hits his recievers right in their hand print. People who call him mediocre and no better than Sanchez cause me to feel like I'm living on an alternate universe because I can not understand why it's so difficult to see the writing on the wall: Give him SOME time in the pocket, catch the ball when he puts it in your hand and we have an elite quarter back.

He has won more than enough games for us. It was not just the defense that brought us to the AFCCG. AGAIN. Their butts got torched plenty this season too and walked off the field with their tails between their legs. Special teams was horrible all year so he's gotta be the best in the league at getting us points after starting at the twenty yd line OR LESS. Pittsburgh drive anyone?

I just felt bad for him this week. He should be able to celebrate last weeks success and his BIRTHDAY and really his success all season, without it all being marred by a bunch of foolishness all the time.

I'm so afraid dude is going to say, "You know what? Screw it. Peace out." We would be losing alot. We as a fan base have some nerve being this picky over a quarterback with a winning record and is a truly character guy after the pieces of crap we've had here in Baltimore.

I would truly be embarrassed to be a Ravens fan if he showed us the door.

Joe please know that you truly do have supporting fans who are in your corner, who wish you tremendous success and are patient enough to allow you to evolve into the elite quarterback that we know you have the potential to be.
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Everything I think, but spoken much more beautifully than I'm capable of. Thank you.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1326936057' post='957890']
If hes mentally weak enough to let fans/media drive him out of him out of town, that would be sad on his part.

Now Cam Cameron and Harbs driving him out of town is very possible.
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Nah dude, it has nothing to do with mental toughness or oversensitivity. Not even about being appreciated, although I am sure Joe would like to recieve some every once in a while.

Could you imagine being married, and every aspect of your life, you are belittled, or criticised, or nothing that you do is good enough? Even though you are a faithful husband, never waivering in your love, support and dedication, providing financial support, and being a high character role model for the family?

A little respect goes a long way. Nobody wants to be the scapegoat every time something goes wrong, even when it is clearly not your fault. That's bad enough. But then to not be acknowledged for what you contribute on top of that?
In my eyes, Joe would not be any less of a man if he got sick of this treatment and left. I just pray that he is an even bigger man and can accept this nonsense for what it is.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1326941682' post='957969']
Unless you're a Brady or Rodgers type QB, you'll never be fully appreciated anywhere. Its just the nature of the position.

With Cam as his OC, Flacco would be highly criticized on any relevant team in the NFL.
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Not trying to single your posts out -- just happens that I disagree P:

It's one thing to not be fully appreciated. That's to be expected all throughout life. But to get no respect whatsoever, especially from the people you represent?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1326936057' post='957890']
If hes [b]mentally weak[/b] enough to let fans/media drive him out of him out of town, that would be sad on his part.

Now Cam Cameron and Harbs driving him out of town is very possible.
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Think of it this way: every single day the guy is criticized. He's only ever talked about to be criticized. All everybody keeps talking about is how Flacco is a whiner who has to be carried by his team, blah, blah, blah. Flacco, unfortunately, for all his "cool" demeanor, is not Eli Manning - he gets heated and he doesn't just grin and shrug it off. So now he's pegged, and people will snipe at him every chance they get. Now imagine you're the GM of say, the Dolphins, you're starting Matt Moore, and you're pick is just low enough that you miss out on Luck and Griffin III. You have Brandon Marshall in place, you have a decent running game with Reggie Bush, you have a good offensive line anchored by 4 time Pro Bowler Jake Long, you have a new head coach, and suddenly you hear through the grapevine that Joe Flacco is being made available by the Ravens. For the right price, wouldn't you at least consider making that deal? And if you're Joe, wouldn't you consider taking that deal? Personally I'd love to be out of the AFC North and throwing to Brandon Marshall.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326946365' post='958023']

Think of it this way: every single day the guy is criticized. He's only ever talked about to be criticized. All everybody keeps talking about is how Flacco is a whiner who has to be carried by his team, blah, blah, blah. Flacco, unfortunately, for all his "cool" demeanor, is not Eli Manning - he gets heated and he doesn't just grin and shrug it off. So now he's pegged, and people will snipe at him every chance they get. Now imagine you're the GM of say, the Dolphins, you're starting Matt Moore, and you're pick is just low enough that you miss out on Luck and Griffin III. You have Brandon Marshall in place, you have a decent running game with Reggie Bush, you have a good offensive line anchored by 4 time Pro Bowler Jake Long, you have a new head coach, and suddenly you hear through the grapevine that Joe Flacco is being made available by the Ravens. For the right price, wouldn't you at least consider making that deal? And if you're Joe, wouldn't you consider taking that deal? Personally I'd love to be out of the AFC North and throwing to Brandon Marshall.
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What? I don't want Joe out of the AFC North throwing to Marshall because then he won't be on the Ravens! You lost me there.

[Purple Punishment]

I support my QB.

I dont care who was standing behind our O Line against Houston, They would have had a terrible day. To throw 2 TDs and no picks against that insane pass rush speaks volumes about Joe.

Eli Manning, or Alex Smith would have been straight up embarrassed by Houstons pass rush if they did make it to Indianapolis.

Joe doesnt always make the correct decisions when the pocket collapses and maybe he should be more clear minded to throw the ball away, but this man [b]WANTS[/b] to make plays for us and he did last weekend when he stepped up and made a big strike to Pitta as the pocket was blown away. Give the man a damn break. We are playing to goto the Superbowl and no matter what that talentless fat tub of "profanity" Jamie Dukes says or any other analyst says, [b]Joe Flacco put his stamp on this season to help get us to the big dance as much as the defense did[/b]

[1/28/01]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1326946588' post='958028']
What? I don't want Joe out of the AFC North throwing to Marshall because then he won't be on the Ravens! You lost me there.
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He was speaking as Flacco...not that he wants him gone, himself.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326946710' post='958033']
He was speaking as Flacco...not that he wants him gone, himself.
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Ahh, thanks. I read that wrong. All this negativity is beginning to blur together.

I really hope Flacco tears up the Patriots this Sunday just to shut people up. I want to win the game so we can go to the Super Bowl, but I really want to see Flacco just beat the snot out of them now just so people ease up a little bit and give the man a break.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326946365' post='958023']

Think of it this way: every single day the guy is criticized. He's only ever talked about to be criticized. All everybody keeps talking about is how Flacco is a whiner who has to be carried by his team, blah, blah, blah. Flacco, unfortunately, for all his "cool" demeanor, is not Eli Manning - he gets heated and he doesn't just grin and shrug it off. So now he's pegged, and people will snipe at him every chance they get. Now imagine you're the GM of say, the Dolphins, you're starting Matt Moore, and you're pick is just low enough that you miss out on Luck and Griffin III. You have Brandon Marshall in place, you have a decent running game with Reggie Bush, you have a good offensive line anchored by 4 time Pro Bowler Jake Long, you have a new head coach, and suddenly you hear through the grapevine that Joe Flacco is being made available by the Ravens. For the right price, wouldn't you at least consider making that deal? And if you're Joe, wouldn't you consider taking that deal? Personally I'd love to be out of the AFC North and throwing to Brandon Marshall.
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Especially against those powder puff defenses in the AFC East. Outside the Jets, which he has beaten twice anyways, Joe could comfortably sit back and sling it against those teams.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1326946588' post='958028']
What? I don't want Joe out of the AFC North throwing to Marshall because then he won't be on the Ravens! You lost me there.
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I mean if you're Joe Flacco, and all you get from Baltimore is boos, then you found out the Dolphins were interested in trading for you, wouldn't you consider going up to Ozzie and asking for a trade?

Look at it this way. Imagine you're working for a company here in Baltimore, with all of the weather, the stuff to do around here, etc., actually living here, taken into consideration. You feel a bit unwelcome by the people you interact with, you try to get along with your coworkers, but every day your company is getting criticized for not performing properly, in particular a specific department. You're head of the department, so most of the blame falls on you. You have people around telling you to work harder, yet you feel as though you are working as hard as you can. When the company has successes, even though you feel like you've contributed sigificantly to them, you go unnoticed. But as soon as the company screws up, all the blame comes to you. You keep working hard, but every day people in other departments tell you you're a slacker, you don't work hard, you only look good because everyone else in your department is working very hard and you're slacking.

Then, out of the blue, you get a phone call from a rival company in Miami. They say they've noticed your work and the results you've gotten. They want you to come work for them. You'll get a nicer office, better coworkers (more talent i.e. Brandon Marshall, etc. in Joe's case), and the job isn't as hard (going up against New England, Buffalo, and the Jets twice a year instead of Pittsburgh, Cinci, and Cleveland's secondaries). Maybe you'll even get paid more (don't know what Flacco's value on the open market would be, but unfortunately after this season it probably won't be very high). But if you're in the situation I outlined above, and you also have a wife and child to think about and the fact that they have to live in the same city as you, wouldn't you at least consider the move.

I'll tell you right now, if I was Joe, and I knew Cam was sticking around (maybe even if he wasn't), and this offer came up, I'd be on a plane to Miami the next day. Now I am someone (apparently one of the very, very few) who thinks that all of this success we've had is in large part due to Joe and at least the stability he's brought to the quarterback position. A lot of other people (and I think more sinister reasons also fuel them) think Joe is really holding us back, and that anyone could come here and do a better job. I'm in the minority, and I know it. Joe probably understands it as well. If he were to get an offer he thought was better and left, I wouldn't think any less of him for it. In fact, I'd think more of him for it. It takes a strong person to swallow his pride and do what's best, what's right for him and his family, rather than be stubborn and try to prove people wrong. I don't believe Flacco will ever be appreciated here in Baltimore, just like guys like Phil Simms were never appreciated for what they accomplished. I hope Joe stays, and I hope he has a lot of success here, but if he leaves I would never blame him.

[Ngata92NT]

Joe won't leave, as much as the media and fans might frustrate him he's had overwhelming success here, reaching the post-season every year. The organization is great, I'm sure Joe appreciates the players around him and the talent and wisdom of the front office. Joe wouldn't let the media or the haters run him out of town, in fact it might give him MORE incentive to stay just to shut people up. Would you guys listen to the morons on the media? NO!! So why would Joe, he knows better than anyone what the reality is, that he's a great QB who is still in the earliest stages of his career. Make no mistake, the Ravens will NOT allow that kind of consistency and talent be enticed away from Baltimore. And Joe will have no reason to go, because he has unfinished business here and great teammates to help him achieve those goals.

I'm sure he'll love being able to shove his rings in the faces of all the media who doubted him. If not this year, then in the next decade of dominance that this team is built for. If the organization keeps stock-piling talent at this rate and retaining key players than this will be a dynasty, we've already shown that we've a Defensive dynasty, the best in the NFL in the last decade. Now with Joe, Torrey, Rice, Yanda, Vonta, Pitta, Dickson, and Boldin on the offense we can start bringing the offense to the same level. We have been the most balanced team in the NFL this season, thats always been the blue-print for success. And next year with a new offensive scheme (PLEASE!) and more experience on the offensive side (and hopefully some great young talent) we should improve greatly. Why would Flacco want to flee to a team like the DOLPHINS for gods sake?! Trade consistency, character, and young talent for a totally dysfunctional team and a couple extra $$? That doesn't sound like Joe Flacco to me...