MERGED: Ed Reed Comments On Flacco

[shootyoup]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1326815113' post='955044']

people are waaaaay to sensitive about Joe being criticized. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img] he's the qb! it comes with the territory! but it is one thing when people "outside" of the Raven's organization says something about Joe and another thing altogether when one of the Ravens "players" (who's in practices and on the field in games) like Ed Reed has something to say about Joe's gameplay.

i agree with Ed! at times...Joe tries to stand tall and flat-footed in the pocket when it is collapsing all around him and throw the football. there are times he needs to scramble out of there in advance to extend the plays. i was screaming at the tv the other day saying...."Get out of there Joeeeeeee!" and..."Get rid of the ball Joeeeeeeee!" lol!

~Mili
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Completely agree. In my opinion, Ravens fans hold Flacco to just a lower standard. Hall of Famers Reed and Lewis are fair territory to be criticized as they age, but criticizing Flacco for poor performance (I don't think he played poorly vs. Houston, for the record) gains fans the label of Flacco-hater. I understand that getting sacked 5 times is not an easy way to play qb, but there is the option of scrambling (I know he's no Vick, but he is still a well-paid professional athlete) or just getting rid of the ball quicker. One thing I have noticed and pointed out is that after the 49ers game, Alex Smith was ridiculed as a game manager by Ravens fans even though he was sacked 9 times and faced a even tougher challenge on the road than Flacco did Sunday. Flacco is always given the benefit of the doubt while guys like Rivers were killed for their struggles this year.

Also the notion that we shouldn't criticize Flacco lest he leaves in free agency is warped. A qb gets a lot of the credit for victories and deserves criticism for struggles. If Flacco really cannot handle the pressure from the media (guys like Sanchez and E. Manning have been much more scrutiny), and is considering escaping the pressure then he is a weak player, and we should let him leave to Buffalo or Jacksonville and play with no pressure and win 6 games a year. Though a front office or coaching staff may need to express their belief in a player, there is absolutely no reason for a fan base to coddle a qb and ignore their faults. I know Bmore has not had the best qb's, but would any Ravens fan ever say "oohhh well you would miss 5 tackles too if you missed OTA's like Ray Lewis and had to cover Antonio Gates. Plus, let's not say anything bad or Lewis will want to leave."

[dontbnvus]

One thing about Reed, he is a leader. I really do not feel he was calling out Joe at all. I think he was calling out the scheme if anything. I know that is a opinion. But that is the way I took it. If you think about it even more. Webb has played lights out this year. The guy has been all over the place making plays. If you saw the interviews with Webb after the game, Webb was talking about how Ed was on his butt all week ! He said he wanted to at times tell him to " get off his back" But then he realized why ED was on him. And he gives credit to ED for his play sunday. Reed even brought it up in his interview how he rode Webbs butt. Because he KNOWS how good this kid can be and he KNOWS how good this kid wants to be.

I think this is all blown out of proportion.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='shootyoup' timestamp='1326848810' post='956147']
Completely agree. In my opinion, Ravens fans hold Flacco to just a lower standard. Hall of Famers Reed and Lewis are fair territory to be criticized as they age, but criticizing Flacco for poor performance (I don't think he played poorly vs. Houston, for the record) gains fans the label of Flacco-hater. I understand that getting sacked 5 times is not an easy way to play qb, but there is the option of scrambling (I know he's no Vick, but he is still a well-paid professional athlete) or just getting rid of the ball quicker. One thing I have noticed and pointed out is that after the 49ers game, Alex Smith was ridiculed as a game manager by Ravens fans even though he was sacked 9 times and faced a even tougher challenge on the road than Flacco did Sunday. Flacco is always given the benefit of the doubt while guys like Rivers were killed for their struggles this year.

Also the notion that we shouldn't criticize Flacco lest he leaves in free agency is warped. A qb gets a lot of the credit for victories and deserves criticism for struggles. If Flacco really cannot handle the pressure from the media (guys like Sanchez and E. Manning have been much more scrutiny), and is considering escaping the pressure then he is a weak player, and we should let him leave to Buffalo or Jacksonville and play with no pressure and win 6 games a year. Though a front office or coaching staff may need to express their belief in a player, there is absolutely no reason for a fan base to coddle a qb and ignore their faults. I know Bmore has not had the best qb's, but would any Ravens fan ever say "oohhh well you would miss 5 tackles too if you missed OTA's like Ray Lewis and had to cover Antonio Gates. Plus, let's not say anything bad or Lewis will want to leave."
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Agreed. You might want to edit this post cause out come the "ur a hater/idiot" crowd

[JaxFlaccoFan]

In listening to Ed Reed's comments, I don't think he meant them the way people are taking them just like Joe's comments were taken completely out of context; however, Ed used very poor judgement in saying what he did. He should have known that they would be taken out of context by the media and Flacco's detractors. More than ever, Joe needs his team to rally around him. I really feel sorry for the guy. I think the criticism people are hitting him with is not only unfair, it's downright meanspirited. Joe's a decent guy and doesn't deserve to be treated like this by the media and especially so-called fans. I have no problems with constructive criticism. I have a major problem with some posters on here piling on with their constant one-sided, biased, and unobjective perceptions.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='JaxFlaccoFan' timestamp='1326849600' post='956156']
In listening to Ed Reed's comments, I don't think he meant them the way people are taking them just like Joe's comments were taken completely out of context; however, Ed used very poor judgement in saying what he did. He should have known that they would be taken out of context by the media and Flacco's detractors. More than ever, Joe needs his team to rally around him. I really feel sorry for the guy. I think the criticism people are hitting him with is not only unfair, it's downright meanspirited. Joe's a decent guy and doesn't deserve to be treated like this by the media and especially so-called fans. I have no problems with constructive criticism. I have a major problem with some posters on here piling on with their constant one-sided, biased, and unobjective perceptions.
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If Joe was on any other team then ours (ie Alex Smith) we would be killing him right now on these forums.

[Vision Of Enigma]

Talk about out of context!!! he not only said joe but the whole team he was not taking a shot at joe!!! listen for yourself!!!

http://www.nfl.com/videos/baltimore-ravens/09000d5d82617b91/Reed-believes-Flacco-can-improve

[Npane171]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1326821819' post='955247']

People need to stop criticizing this. I think it was absolutely the correct decision.

The run game was getting blown up, and anything with Joe under center was getting blown up as the pocket collapsed. They should have gone into 7 and 8-step drops and thrown it. That drive we moved the ball better then we did at any other point during the game. I don't think we should have run the same slant to Boldin 3 times in a row, but at least we were finally passing.
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The run game was inefficient, because Rice - in my opinion - wasn't having his best game. Yes, the Texans have a great defense. Rice's style is not particularly suited for them. He stutters too much but against a quick footed defense. His running style is quick and intelligent, much like Fosters. Ricky, although not as fast as he was in his younger years, is still an ox. He was plowing over people...chewing up yards and time off the clock. Cam, whether you want to admit or not, was completely wrong to take Ricky out of the game when he was successfully running the ball, something we were wanting to do all day. It just doesn't make sense sometimes...

It's like we say "Well, Rice is our number 1 so he should be in regardless...". We have a number two, amongst other reasons, to supplement a different style when the style of our number 1 isn't working...and make no mistake Rice was not doing what needed to be done. Put him on the bench FOR A BIT and let Ricky do what he was doing.

[PeRK82]

I dont get it, the real problem was the O LINE then the WRers and then you could blame it on Joe. Flacco cant throw the ball and Catch it.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1326850247' post='956178']
I dont get it, the real problem was the O LINE then the WRers and then you could blame it on Joe. [b]Flacco cant throw the ball and Catch it.[/b]
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Before someone else chimes in, yes, he can

[Bltravens]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326850637' post='956189']
Before someone else chimes in, yes, he can [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]
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You're damn right he can.

[JohnJohnson]

Not everyone can be as good at their position as Ed Reed is at his position. It's hard to dominate in the NFL. At some level you just have to be thankful that Flacco can produce against a defense as good as the Texans. He had some nice throws, some drops, and a few mistakes. He almost turned the ball over once with that fumble. He's not the best at sensing the pocket collapsing and knowing when to take off. But he's above average, and is capable of playing at a very high level. We want the 92 yard drive in Pittsburgh Joe to show up more often, that is understandable. Play calling is definitely a factor as well.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326852276' post='956223']
Not everyone can be as good at their position as Ed Reed is at his position. It's hard to dominate in the NFL. At some level you just have to be thankful that Flacco can produce against a defense as good as the Texans. He had some nice throws, some drops, and a few mistakes. He almost turned the ball over once with that fumble. He's not the best at sensing the pocket collapsing and knowing when to take off. But he's above average, and is capable of playing at a very high level. We want the 92 yard drive in Pittsburgh Joe to show up more often, that is understandable. Play calling is definitely a factor as well.
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Your right, and thats why im not understanding why we are doing any BOOT LEG plays, they have been very effective all yr,especially against the RAMS and Cincy.

[keebl3rs]

Alright, after having actually listened to Reed's comments (which I should have done to begin with rather than just reading the one line of text someone wrote LOL), he's not specifically calling out Joe. He's merely pointing out that the offense needs to step up.. Joe included.

So yeah, he didn't throw anyone under the bus. He basically said what everyone else has been saying. It sounds like he has confidence in the offense, just pointing out that they gotta step it up against NE.

Nothing to see here!

[Sir Spooky]

I'm not surprised by this. The media always twist what people say so they can have a story in a non-story. Ed Reed didn't nothing wrong seeing as he was asked a question. He also said that the whole entire team including him and the defense need to step up next week. It's really sad how the media spinned this to make it sound like Ed Reed was bashing Joe or has a lack of faith in him. The media has this anti-Flacco agenda and we should just not let it bother us because we have faith in Joe, the team does and Ed Reed does as he stated in one of his comments. I think everyone just needs to chill and focus on Sunday.

[Cville-Raven]

Reed should be more concerned about giving up 100+ yards to both Foster and Andre. Also what about fact that there was absolutely no pressure on the QB; Suggs and that whole D-line needs to be critized. Also the O-line played like Doo-doo on sunday.

[funky141]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1326856121' post='956287']
Reed should be more concerned about giving up 100+ yards to both Foster and Andre. Also what about fact that there was absolutely no pressure on the QB; Suggs and that whole D-line needs to be critized. Also the O-line played like Doo-doo on sunday.
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And the two pro bowl tight ends he will be facing this Sunday..

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1326856389' post='956290']

And the two pro bowl tight ends he will be facing this Sunday..
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Exactly......no.....hernandez is no pro bowler

[atljbo]

I mean you cant knock a HOF player like that for saying what he thinks.... I just think Ed was basically sending Joe and that O-Line a message... We are close to a championship... We need yall to show up... Ed Reed knows the D will need that Offense help Sunday.. They want have a rookie making rookie mistakes or kick returners making big mistakes.

I dont think you guys can turn on Ed (saying he should worry about this or that instead of saying this about my QB) ... If he was normally a big mouth guy... I would understand that but Ed is a stand up guy... He just see that door to his career closing soon.. He wants that ring (what you guys also want)

[Totalfog]

Now isn't this just wonderful. The week before the biggest game of the year, Ed Reed starts some intra-team dissent. That certainly will help Sunday.

Ed: you may very well be right, but you're incredibly dense to say that in public. Time to join Terrell Owens and the "nameless" Jets as real "team players."

John Harbaugh: Here's your chance. Are you going to let Ed Reed do this to the team, or are you going to show him what is, and is not, permitted. Are you Vince Lombardi, or are you Rex Ryan?

Steve Biscotti; Watch closely what John Harbaugh does or does not do. This is not a minor problem.

[Alexir]

Wow, my opinion matches that of nfl analysts, ex players and Ed Reed. I must not know a thing....lol

[JoeCool#5]

[quote name='Vision Of Enigma' timestamp='1326849785' post='956166']
Talk about out of context!!! he not only said joe but the whole team he was not taking a shot at joe!!! listen for yourself!!!

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/baltimore-ravens/09000d5d82617b91/Reed-believes-Flacco-can-improve"]http://www.nfl.com/v...cco-can-improve[/url]
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Yeah COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT. Ed Reed comments were fair and BLOWN OUT of proportion.

[wizard1]

All I can say is FINALLY one of our beloved pro bowlers speaks out against Flacco. Ed Reed knows football as good as anyone and I respect his opinion as much as anyone in the league. His comments about Flacco show the growing divide in our organization which will continue to deteriorate with Flaccos lackluster play. For Ed to say the things he did should show everyone in Raven Nation that eventually we will have to deal with the Flacco situation. Thanks Ed for finally bringing this issue out and putting it on the table it's been a long time coming!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1326857724' post='956322']
All I can say is FINALLY one of our beloved pro bowlers speaks out against Flacco. Ed Reed knows football as good as anyone and I respect his opinion as much as anyone in the league. His comments about Flacco show the growing divide in our organization which will continue to deteriorate with Flaccos lackluster play. For Ed to say the things he did should show everyone in Raven Nation that eventually we will have to deal with the Flacco situation. Thanks Ed for finally bringing this issue out and putting it on the table it's been a long time coming!
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Did you even bother to read/listen to the whole interview?

[bdravens]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1326857724' post='956322']
All I can say is FINALLY one of our beloved pro bowlers speaks out against Flacco. Ed Reed knows football as good as anyone and I respect his opinion as much as anyone in the league. His comments about Flacco show the growing divide in our organization which will continue to deteriorate with Flaccos lackluster play. For Ed to say the things he did should show everyone in Raven Nation that eventually we will have to deal with the Flacco situation. Thanks Ed for finally bringing this issue out and putting it on the table it's been a long time coming!
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So if we win the Super Bowl are you going to jump on Joe's bandwagon or disappear from this forum for ever. As 1/28/01 said, you clearly didn't read the article. Stop it.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1326857724' post='956322']
All I can say is FINALLY one of our beloved pro bowlers speaks out against Flacco. Ed Reed knows football as good as anyone and I respect his opinion as much as anyone in the league. His comments about Flacco show the growing divide in our organization which will continue to deteriorate with Flaccos lackluster play. For Ed to say the things he did should show everyone in Raven Nation that eventually we will have to deal with the Flacco situation. Thanks Ed for finally bringing this issue out and putting it on the table it's been a long time coming!
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Why are you here dude? Remember Flacco messed up on Sunday and cost us the game, the Ravens are out of the playoffs. You were right, just like your prediction that the Ravens would lose to the Steelers, the Bengals, and every other team we faced this season.

[wizard1]

Man you guys are hilarious-our defense won the game Sunday as it did in half the games we won all season. As it did in half the games we won in the last 4 years... ad nauseum... We wouldn't have beaten the Steelers if our defense hadn't of run down Roethlisberger and stomped him out and the same with so many other teams. If we win Sunday it will be because our defense thumped Brady like it did in 09 and not because Joe Flacco decided he was gonna step up and be a real quarterback for a whole game.

[Alexir]

That was a horrible decision to throw it to Rice when he was on the ground lol I agree with Reedster.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1326858535' post='956351']
Man you guys are hilarious-our defense won the game Sunday as it did in half the games we won all season. As it did in half the games we won in the last 4 years... ad nauseum... We wouldn't have beaten the Steelers if our defense hadn't of run down Roethlisberger and stomped him out and the same with so many other teams. If we win Sunday it will be because our defense thumped Brady like it did in 09 and not because Joe Flacco decided he was gonna step up and be a real quarterback for a whole game.
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Well maybe if the offensive line stepped up and our WR's got seperation, maybe Joe could be a real QB for a whole game.. Not to mention Cam Cameron is just awful

[wizard1]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1326858712' post='956354']

Well maybe if the offensive line stepped up and our WR's got seperation, maybe Joe could be a real QB for a whole game.. Not to mention Cam Cameron is just awful
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Cam Cameron is awful thats agreed and it's a certainty that he will be gone at the end of the season. However Cameron is not the one out there execuuting or should I say not executing most of these plays.

[wizard1]

I just have one question-If there isn't a problem with Flaccos play then why is the entire football world ( even his own teammates) talking about this non-problem?