MERGED: Ed Reed Comments On Flacco

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1326831965' post='955536']

Well he has to understand that he has to play at a higher level for this team to succeed. Not to say he had a bad game by any means, but there are areas he could improve (pocket awareness, quicker reads, etc)

That being said, Ed's comments weren't explicitly directed to Joe; they were to the entire offense including the OL and playcalling. Flacco's demeanor and willpower is much stronger than Cutler I can imagine, so he won't take this personally. He'll improve
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That's all good and everything.. but too me, you keep that in the locker room. Not exactly the best way to instill confidence in a QB that's been underfire all year.. and even more so during the post season.

I just hope the national sports media doesn't get ahold of that comment from Ed like they did with Flacco's presser. My god we would never hear the end of it..

Headline: "Pro Bowl Safety Ed Reed losing faith in Flacco's offensive leadership." Just what we need going into NE..

[reediddy]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326836590' post='955726']

[b]That's all good and everything.. but too me, you keep that in the locker room[/b]. Not exactly the best way to instill confidence in a QB that's been underfire all year.. and even more so during the post season.

I just hope the national sports media doesn't get ahold of that comment from Ed like they did with Flacco's presser. My god we would never hear the end of it..

Headline: "Pro Bowl Safety Ed Reed losing faith in Flacco's offensive leadership." Just what we need going into NE..
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I agree; maybe the frustration is boiling over to a point where it's spilling out into the public sphere. Which is not good. But you're right, we should expect that something like this stay in house because of the potential it has to cause more damage than benefit

[ArmyRavensFan]

Although I think Ed's commentary is blown way out of proportion by the media, much like anything coming from Joe Flacco, Ed should have known better. Now is not the time to make comments that can be manipulated by the media and possible sow dissention in the ranks. I have also read a lot of comments about the defense tired of bailing out the offense out too many times. Well which side of the ball has the higher pay checks? Top three Salary cap numbers for 2011 go to Lewis, Suggs, and Reed. Seven out of top ten salary cap numbers are defensive players. Now New England has 6 out of top ten salary cap numbers going to Offensive players with Brady by far and away taking the largest hit at 13million. Which side of the ball has the most pro bowlers for the Ravens? Baltimore is a defensive team and the defense is expected to lead the way.

Now the defense did their job yesterday but they were not perfect. They allowed Foster and Johnson to gain over 100 yards. They also registered zero sacks and put very little pressure on Yates. Now it has been stated that it was by design to stop Foster and Johnson but how did that work out? Oh by the way the defense could have had three additional interceptions if they didn’t drop the ball.

Now as far as this upcoming game the offense needs to put up more points but I would say a lot more points. If this turns out to be a shootout then the defense failed. If the Patriots score more than 30 points (Not because of turnovers) then the defense failed. I.E. the Broncos defense failed. It is their job to keep this game in reach and the offenses job to score a reasonable amount of points and not to lose the game.

[Gordo52]

Our O-line looked bad, Texans D looked great. I cant explain how that happened. But Pats defense is horrible, horrible! Brady throwing 6 TDs saved a theory many analyist said could work. But it doesnt. Defense wins championships. I dont understand why they all just hate Flacco. Its not dislike. Its [b]hate. [/b]Constantly bashing him but never any praise.
Im sorry, kinda venting because I have nfl network on lol. A poll on nfl network says 78% over 22% basically rather have Smith then Flacco.
Smh. Its really gotten bad.

[The Raven]

This isn't good. While its true that Joe shoulda got the ball out, you don't throw your teammates under the bus. EVER. Period. You don't do that. I don't like it. Joe never said anything about Reed missing tackles or having 3 picks all season til now.

[The Raven]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1326832613' post='955587']
Well, the offense is far from Perfect... That's for certain... Marshall Yanda make a perfect kick out block for Rice at the goal line... What did Ray do? He picked a hole with 2 lbs waiting for him. That was a pOor job on his part.... Does that mean he's "lost in the offense"?
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Thats true. I was wondering how the heck Rice didn't score there. Yanda kicked the crap out of that guy. He had a bad day in pass pro but he was still alright run blocking imo.

[edreedfromtheu]

Hahahaha, of Flacco lovers... I'd love to see the look on your faces right now.

Act as if us "haters" know nothing of what we speak.

But now one of the Ravens best players speaks up. Ed Reed, regarded as one of the smarter players in the league, especially when it comes to film study and knowledge of the game. Someone who knows the "x's and o's" and pretty much everything about playcalling.

This isn't news to me, as I've maintained the stance that Flacco simply isn't bright enough to realize what's going on around him. You want to know why he "isn't allowed to change the play?" Perhaps he is, and just has no clue when to change it or what to change it to. You wan't to know why receivers aren't "getting seperation? Perhaps it's because you're looking at the receiver Flacco ends up throwing to(often times double to triple covered)... and not the other 3 receivers on the field(whether it be WRs, TEs, or RBs) who are open or at least 1 on 1.

Can the line block better? Of course. Unless a line NEVER gets beat, then they can always do better. But a big key to protection is the QB knowing how/when to step up, when to start scrambling, and of course... when to throw the ball.

You can insult me all you want, but Ed Reed has spoken. And yes, I think it's safe to say he speaks for the entire defense no matter how much Suggs defends Flacco publicly.

The great news for Flacco is this... he only has to have 2 great games in the next 3 weeks. This week he goes against one of the worst defenses the NFL has seen in the last couple years. If that happens... all of this will be swept under the rug. He'll get a new contract. And all those who are "wacco" can say "I told you so!"

This is probably the reasoning behind the timing of Reed's statements. He knows a fire needs to be lit. Reed deserves a ring, and this year might be his last shot at it. If nothing else, at least this get's Flacco's attention on Reed and his statements as opposed to trying to make cute/sarcastic little remarks to the media.

[The Raven]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1326843034' post='955978']
Hahahaha, of Flacco lovers... [b]I'd love to see the look on your faces right now.[/b]

Act as if us "haters" know nothing of what we speak.

But now one of the Ravens best players speaks up. Ed Reed, regarded as one of the smarter players in the league, especially when it comes to film study and knowledge of the game. Someone who knows the "x's and o's" and pretty much everything about playcalling.

This isn't news to me, as I've maintained the stance that Flacco simply isn't bright enough to realize what's going on around him. You want to know why he "isn't allowed to change the play?" Perhaps he is, and just has no clue when to change it or what to change it to. You wan't to know why receivers aren't "getting seperation? Perhaps it's because you're looking at the receiver Flacco ends up throwing to(often times double to triple covered)... and not the other 3 receivers on the field(whether it be WRs, TEs, or RBs) who are open or at least 1 on 1.

Can the line block better? Of course. Unless a line NEVER gets beat, then they can always do better. But a big key to protection is the QB knowing how/when to step up, when to start scrambling, and of course... when to throw the ball.

You can insult me all you want, but Ed Reed has spoken. And yes, I think it's safe to say he speaks for the entire defense no matter how much Suggs defends Flacco publicly.

The great news for Flacco is this... he only has to have 2 great games in the next 3 weeks. This week he goes against one of the worst defenses the NFL has seen in the last couple years. If that happens... all of this will be swept under the rug. He'll get a new contract. And all those who are "wacco" can say "I told you so!"

This is probably the reasoning behind the timing of Reed's statements. He knows a fire needs to be lit. Reed deserves a ring, and this year might be his last shot at it. If nothing else, at least this get's Flacco's attention on Reed and his statements as opposed to trying to make cute/sarcastic little remarks to the media.
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My face is disgusted. I'm disgusted that Reed would dare throw a teammate under the bus like that in the public. I don't care if he is the G.O.A.T. You just don't do that. It's a team game; you don't throw your boys under the bus like that. Period.

[Y2J]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Baltimore-Ravens-Ed-Reed-calls-out-shaky-quarterback-Joe-Flacco-011712

Ed shouldn't have said anything in the first place. Schein takes Reed's comments and adds a little salt to it.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Y2J' timestamp='1326843511' post='955994']
[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Baltimore-Ravens-Ed-Reed-calls-out-shaky-quarterback-Joe-Flacco-011712"]http://msn.foxsports...e-Flacco-011712[/url]

Ed shouldn't have said anything in the first place. Schein takes Reed's comments and adds a little salt to it.
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You know what, now I'm straight up pissed at Reed. Those comments are ridiculous. You gotta stand behind your boys, and he's throwin Joe under. That's horrible. Makes me sick

[Bltravens]

In all honesty, with Ed being here since 03 when we were just an atrocious passing offense, and the crap for the next 5 seasons he had to deal with Im surprised he hasn't called someone out sooner. What is even more impressive to me is the fact that Ray has never gone to the media and told them EXACTLY how crappy this offense has been for 90% of his career.

Sometimes things just wear on you and you can't keep them in any longer. I don't blame Ed for doing it, and in reality like edreedfromtheu said, if Flacco goes out and balls for 2 games and we win the whole damn thing Ed is going to look like a genius for lighting a little rage under Flacco.

However personally, I don't like the timing of it. 5 days before Flacco's biggest game of his life? If you're going to do it do it during the week up to the Texan's game when you know you can win on the defense alone so at least theres no total meltdown possible.

[berad]

[size=3][quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1326843034' post='955978']But now one of the Ravens best players speaks up. Ed Reed, regarded as one of the smarter players in the league, especially when it comes to film study and knowledge of the game.[b] Someone who knows the "x's and o's" and pretty much everything about playcalling.[/b][/quote][/size]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Except he admitted that he was in the dark as to what our offense was doing - if that was how the plays were called...[/font]

[size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][quote][/font][left]“I think Joe was kind of rattled a little bit by that defense,” Reed said. “They had a lot of guys in the box on him. And, I mean, they were getting to him. I think a couple times he needed to get rid of the ball. [/left][b]I don’t know how much of the play calling, he could have made audibles or anything like that, checks or whatnot, man, but it just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense, you know, of times past. You know, it was just kind of like they was telling him to do, throw the ball or get it here, you know, get it to certain guys. And he can’t play like that.[/b][/size]

[size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]“You know, one particular play that sticks out to me is when Ray Rice came out of the backfield, he got pushed down and [Flacco] still threw him the ball and you got one-on-one with Torrey Smith on the outside. [b]But it’s hearsay for me. I can say that sitting on the sidelines, you know, or sitting in the stands. You just never know what somebody else is seeing.[/b]”[/quote][/font][/size]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/17/ed-reed-says-flacco-needs-to-get-rid-of-the-ball-line-needs-to-block-better/"]http://profootballta...o-block-better/[/url][/font]

[size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1326843034' post='955978'][/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Can the line block better? Of course. Unless a line NEVER gets beat, then they can always do better. But a big key to protection is the QB knowing how/when to step up, when to start scrambling, and of course... when to throw the ball.[/font][/size]
[size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][/quote][/font][/size]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Except Ed Reed said they needed to block better...[/font]
[left][size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][quote]“[T]he offensive line gotta block better,” Reed said. “You know, they gotta communicate better, gotta pick up blocks"[/quote][/font][/size][/left]

[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]It's easy to take some of what Ed says out of context and turn it on him and this team - it's been done before - but you're missing the point he was making. He's saying we need to do better against the Patriots and he was definitely critcizing Flacco, the OL, and the playcalling but not trashing them or saying he doesn't trust them. Quite the opposite. He's saying he KNOWS they can do better, because he's seen it.[/font]

[size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][quote][/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]"[/font][left]it just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense, you know, of times past."[/quote][/left][/size]

[Y2J]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326843704' post='955999']

You know what, now I'm straight up pissed at Reed. Those comments are ridiculous. You gotta stand behind your boys, and he's throwin Joe under. That's horrible. Makes me sick[/quote]

Exactly. We did not need this now. Not when we have a championship game in a few days. Man I feel bad for Joe. I know Ed didn't intentionally mean to do this, but he just gave the flacco haters/ media idiots more ammunition to fire at Joe.

[atlravensfan]

Hey neg me all you want but read said what alot of people(in and out of baltimore) were thinking.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Y2J' timestamp='1326843957' post='956009']
Exactly. We did not need this now. Not when we have a championship game in a few days. Man I feel bad for Joe. I know Ed didn't intentionally mean to do this, [b]but he just gave the flacco haters/ media idiots more ammunition to fire at Joe.[/b]
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Why in the world should that matter? If Ed had said Joe played a perfect game when he was asked the question, the "haters" and detractors in the media would have still questioned him the rest of this week.

For all that was written about Ray and Ed the past few weeks, did it negatively affect them this past Sunday? Obviously not.

Not only were Ed's comments nowhere near as inflammatory as some fans are making them out to be, they'll have no bearing on the AFC Championship. The team is going to have to step up, regardless. Ed saying it doesn't change that.

[hawkprey]

This Adam Schein guy (wrote the fox article) bugged me with the "explore option B" crap and saying Joe had a "whiny rant". Joe said exactly what this guy went out and did - criticize him for winning. So much for whining, especially when the writer himself sounds like he belongs at TMZ or some obscure celebrity tabloid commenting on underage female singers' outfits.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326844328' post='956020']

Why in the world should that matter? If Ed had said Joe played a perfect game when he was asked the question, the "haters" and detractors in the media would have still questioned him the rest of this week.

[u][i]For all that was written about Ray and Ed the past few weeks, did it negatively affect them this past Sunday? Obviously not.[/i][/u]

Not only were Ed's comments nowhere near as inflammatory as some fans are making them out to be, they'll have no bearing on the AFC Championship. The team is going to have to step up, regardless. Ed saying it doesn't change that.
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It didn't, but we know how Ray and Ed are under pressure and in massive games. They are exactly who you want on the field at their position for a massive game. Like it or not Flacco has only had 1 impressive playoff game. He didn't play terrible on Sunday, but he sure left alot to be desired.

[theFRANCHISE]

This is blown out of proportion.

In reading the transcript and hearing some of the excerpt, in context, Reed made it sound as if Flacco was playing like he was being handcuffed by the offensive coordinator.

Look at this quote again:

[i]"It just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense, y'know, of times past. Y'know, it was just kinda like they was telling him to do...throw the ball or get it here, y'know, get it to certain guys. And he can’t play like that."[/i]

[b]Quote:[/b] "It didn't look like he had a hold on the offense...of times past."
[b]Interpretation:[/b] It didn't look like he was playing like his usual self.

[b]Quote:[/b] "It was just kinda like they was telling him to (...) throw the ball or (...) get it to certain guys."
[b]Interpretation:[/b] It was as if Flacco was being told where to throw the ball.

[b]Quote:[/b] "He can't play like that."
[b]Interpretation:[/b] Two meanings -- either Reed is saying Flacco can't play the way he did, or Reed is saying Flacco can't play like he's being handcuffed because that's not his style (i.e. "Joe can't play that way").

This is a non-issue. No in-team controversy.

[johnmike72]

Reed needs to keep these kind of comments in the locker room period! Did any of his team-mates call him out to the media when he was clearly struggling making tackles? We all know it (O.L) looked bad for that matter the offense, but keep it in the team meetings.....

[H8R]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1326844274' post='956018']
Hey neg me all you want but read said what alot of people(in and out of baltimore) were thinking.
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You mean REED, right?

Ed may be the smartest football player within his craft... But just listen to the guy, he's not a smart person. I remember " it's a blessing in da sky's". He needs to stick to FS.

[RavensRock1996]

In Playoff time. Reed hasn't gotten a Ring yet, and he knows that could be his best, and maybe last shot at going to the Super Bowl. Reed knows what it takes to win, and wants to win.... badly.

[H8R]

Thanks mods.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1326845573' post='956051']

You mean REED, right?

Ed may be the smartest football player within his craft... But just listen to the guy, he's not a smart person. I remember " it's a blessing in da sky's". He needs to stick to FS.
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lol damn auto correct. But I feel you once I thought about it. He knows football and if he sees something I'll take his word for it

[flynismo]

Just read this article, and sounds more like he's talking about Cam...

[MLGWL20]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1326845573' post='956051']

You mean REED, right?

Ed may be the smartest football player within his craft... But just listen to the guy, he's not a smart person. I remember " it's a blessing in da sky's". He needs to stick to FS.
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Did you just call Ed Reed stupid? Get out of here with that.

[H8R]

[quote name='MLGWL20' timestamp='1326846400' post='956075']

Did you just call Ed Reed stupid? Get out of here with that.
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It's really that simple.... Great football minds aren't always intelligent people.....

[BaltimoreBean]

Ed's doing his show on 105.7TheFan right now and talked about how the media is twisting his words and that he believes in Joe 100%.

[H8R]

[quote name='BaltimoreBean' timestamp='1326848016' post='956127']
Ed's doing his show on 105.7TheFan right now and talked about how the media is twisting his words and that he believes in Joe 100%.
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I hope he clears things up, I think he just gets talking and does t exactly know how to convey himself.

[D_UP]

Reed knows what he is doing.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1326844883' post='956036']
This is blown out of proportion.

In reading the transcript and hearing some of the excerpt, in context, Reed made it sound as if Flacco was playing like he was being handcuffed by the offensive coordinator.

Look at this quote again:

[i]"It just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense, y'know, of times past. Y'know, it was just kinda like they was telling him to do...throw the ball or get it here, y'know, get it to certain guys. And he can’t play like that."[/i]

[b]Quote:[/b] "It didn't look like he had a hold on the offense...of times past."
[b]Interpretation:[/b] It didn't look like he was playing like his usual self.

[b]Quote:[/b] "It was just kinda like they was telling him to (...) throw the ball or (...) get it to certain guys."
[b]Interpretation:[/b] It was as if Flacco was being told where to throw the ball.

[b]Quote:[/b] "He can't play like that."
[b]Interpretation:[/b] Two meanings -- either Reed is saying Flacco can't play the way he did, or Reed is saying Flacco can't play like he's being handcuffed because that's not his style (i.e. "Joe can't play that way").

This is a non-issue. No in-team controversy.
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Funny, I had the exact same reaction to his comments. If anything it sounds like he is saying that Cam needs to give Joe some more control of that offense, and that he felt like he wasn't running the show.

I believe the team believes in Joe. The fact is, the media wants to blow this out of proportion because the media likes to belittle Joe. This is a story similar to the Jets, and they love it when the team betrays the team. It gives them ammunition.

This is crazy that it's been blown out of proportion this much. I think Flacco got some media people upset with him after his comments and now they're on a witch hunt.