MERGED: Ed Reed Comments On Flacco

[hawkprey]

[quote name='edreed2o' timestamp='1326820280' post='955203']
Yea you are right on some things but i was mostly replying to when ed said ”It just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense.” It wasn't joes fault. Hell cam cameron is the one calls the plays. That man is blind as a bat.
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Didn't have a hold on the offense?

To which I say... what offense?

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Lee is in the house!' timestamp='1326820273' post='955202']
Q. Why Ravens Passed With Clock Dwindling?
A. Probably because Cam's ineptitude appears to be contagious...
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There was an article on that. It's because they loaded up on the run. They blew up the pass play too.

That was the best defense we've played all year bar none. Murdered us.

[Ravens549]

Um, I think Ed is far from one to talk about poor performances in games this season. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/eyes.gif[/img]

[edreed2o]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1326820381' post='955207']

Didn't have a hold on the offense?

To which I say... what offense?
[/quote] Exactly. It all starts with cam cameron. Like cushing said.... we have an easy offense. The only thing cam has in his playbook is run stretches and isos and for the pass its the deep ball, medium slants, and flares. Where are the curles, the short slants, the screens, the cut-in and out routes? Or even the roll outs with ed dickson and dennis pitta in there? We need to use the diesel package alot more. Pitta should definitly be in the game alot more than ed dickson should atleast. It's so obvious. We need to mix up the run and pass alot more when we face the pats and dont make it so damn obvious. We need to mix up the pass plays and use all routes so the corners won't know whats coming. Come on Cam.. im begging you!!!! :/

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1326818172' post='955127']
I said Ricky needed more carries yesterday. He had 4.5 ypc and was WAY more effective than Rice in rushing the ball, it wasn't even close. Rice is a playmaker, but damn Ricky isn't a bum. If he's running hard and effective through tackles and Rice is falling over at the LOS and getting stuffed at the LOS then give Ricky the damn ball.
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Agreed. And he earned that YPC too. His longest run only went for five yards but of his six carries, only one went for less than four. He got three straight carries towards the end of the second quarter. But Cam could and should have definitely worked him in more.

Working in receivers and tight ends can be difficult when an o-line is getting abused in pass protection. But when a back is clearly gaining positive yards on every carry, it's senseless to forget about him for multiple possessions.

[quote name='Ravens549' timestamp='1326820675' post='955218']
Um, I think Ed is far from one to talk about poor performances in games this season. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/eyes.gif[/img]
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So, he should have side-stepped the question because he hasn't had an All-Pro season?

[Blex64]

[quote name='Lee is in the house!' timestamp='1326820273' post='955202']
Q. Why Ravens Passed With Clock Dwindling?
A. Probably because Cam's ineptitude appears to be contagious...
[/quote]

People need to stop criticizing this. I think it was absolutely the correct decision.

The run game was getting blown up, and anything with Joe under center was getting blown up as the pocket collapsed. They should have gone into 7 and 8-step drops and thrown it. That drive we moved the ball better then we did at any other point during the game. I don't think we should have run the same slant to Boldin 3 times in a row, but at least we were finally passing.

[edreed2o]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326821646' post='955243']


Agreed. And he earned that YPC too. His longest run only went for five yards but of his six carries, only one went for less than four. He got three straight carries towards the end of the second quarter. But Cam could and should have definitely worked him in more.



So, he should have side-stepped the question because he hasn't had an All-Pro season?
[/quote] You dont see joe blaming anyone do you? Just because ed reed is a hall of famer and was great before this season doesnt mean he's always right. The thing about it is that this game was not joe's fault. On the field.. it starts with the offensive line and they didnt get it done. Plain and simple.

[Tank 92]

No reason to be concerned about this. I knew when I first read it that it was taken out of context and was most likely not as critical as it may have seemed.

This Team is a tight knit group and I'm sure there are no hard feelings on Joe's part.

[scrock]

I think Joe takes too much heat, I think the defense was frustrated, I think the whole team was....the guys on offense let down Joe BIG TIME yesterday...the OL is usually steady, not the best but not horrible...yesterday they were horrible. The Receivers and Tight Ends did not come through with any kind of consistency, there were 5 more dropped passes....at times Joe probably should have thrown the ball away instead of trying to wait for someone to come open....we drafted and brought in speed at the WR position and yet they still cant get open...the announcers even referenced this during the game

I think it was just a BAD game, a little rusty coming off a BYE week.....we are used to playing week after week...Im excited to see what we do against that sorry Patriots defense....Joe has faced 12 top 10 defenses this year....the NE secondary is weak as hell too so I can see some deep bombs for sure

The Ravens on offense will run the ball, convert on third downs and control the time of possession...so it doesn't matter how good their offense is if Brady never gets the ball enough to do anything...our defense doesnt need to shutdown Brady on every drive, they just need to play solid defense and dont make anything easy, maybe get a couple stops...they dont have to be perfect because our offense should be controlling and/or dominating against the defense of the Patriots.

Cam worries me though, he may not be smart enough to figure it out

[Ravens549]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326821646' post='955243']

So, he should have side-stepped the question because he hasn't had an All-Pro season?
[/quote]
Don't throw stones when living in a glass house.

[scrock]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326814403' post='955025']
Ed's being honest. This is the first time I can remember him calling Joe out - hopefully Joe listens.
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he wasnt really calling Joe out, but Joe was under constant pressure all day so did Joe throw it to Rice while Rice was falling down and miss someone who was open or 1 on 1? thats possible...Reed should call out Ray Rice about standing up instead of falling over. Rice cost us a TD when he tripped himself and fell short of the endzone by inches, then we dont get it on 4th down...Rice would have walked in if he didnt fall over....something he does EVERY GAME at least once or twice a game

[Moderator 3]

Found this posted in the Blogs and thought I would copy it over here. I, too, thought Joe played really well on Sunday, all things condsidered.

[quote name='kbman' timestamp='1326822493' post='955265']
When the Ravens played last year in Foxboro Joe outplayed Brady by a significant margin. Joe was 27-35 for 285 yds with 2 TD and 0 INTs, good for a passer rating of 119.3. Brady was 27-44 for 292 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs, for a rating of 69.5.

Also, while Joe's stats may be down this year that is at least in part due to playing top defenses all season. Of the Ravens 16 games, 11 were against top 10 defenses. The average opponent's pass defense ranking they faced was 8.3. Brady only played 3 games against teams with a pass defense of #8 or better.

Also, on a day when the run was being stuffed and the O-line was underperforming, Joe got the ball into the endzone for us twice and at least moved the chains enough to win the time of possession aspect of the game and let the D catch their breath. He finished against the Texans with a passer rating of 97.1. On the season the Texans allowed an average passer rating of 65.2 so Joe's so-called dismal performance on Sunday was well above par for NFL quarterbacks facing the Houston defense.
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[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='edreed2o' timestamp='1326822004' post='955252']


You dont see joe blaming anyone do you? Just because ed reed is a hall of famer and was great before this season doesnt mean he's always right. The thing about it is that this game was not joe's fault. On the field.. it starts with the offensive line and they didnt get it done. Plain and simple.
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Have you actually listened to the clip? Instead of getting defensive, listen to what he had to say. He didn't lay all of the offense's struggles on Flacco, so I don't know why you're saying the game wasn't Joe's fault.

Emmanuel Cook could have made those same comments and I would have agreed with every word. There were situations where Joe could have got rid of the ball. There were some situations where the pocket simply collapsed too quickly for him to do anything. The WRs dropped a handful of passes. But Joe was off the mark on his throws or failed to take advantage of some opportunities as well.

I don't see how anyone could disagree with Ed's comments about the need for adjustments or that Ricky should have got more carries.

[quote name='Ravens549' timestamp='1326822415' post='955262']
Don't throw stones when living in a glass house. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png[/img]
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No stone was thrown. He was asked a question about his QB and answered.

[keebl3rs]

I wonder if Joe will even want to come back after his contract is up. This is like Jay Cutler and Denver all over again.

Maybe I'm blowing this out of proportion, but I can't imagine the guy is "having fun" with all this criticism.

[Sam]

As great as Ed is - this is my one complaint of him. There is no need for him to say anything. He is a smart guy & could have easily deflected the question. Often he & Suggs have the same problem - they say too much. We are in the AFC title game & there should be NO distractions. Things like this - as minor as it was - should never be said outside of the locker room.

Even that being said - Reed commenting on Flacco throwing the ball to Rice when Rice fell down - he is smart enough to know that it was a one read play There was no second read for Flacco to make. In addition to that, on that play - the pocket was collapsing. Even more of a reason things like this should be kept in the locker room.

[edreed2o]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326823181' post='955283']


Have you actually listened to the clip? Instead of getting defensive, listen to what he had to say. He didn't lay all of the offense's struggles on Flacco, so I don't know why you're saying the game wasn't Joe's fault.

Emmanuel Cook could have made those same comments and I would have agreed with every word. There were situations where Joe could have got rid of the ball. There were some situations where the pocket simply collapsed too quickly for him to do anything. The WRs dropped a handful of passes. But Joe was off the mark on his throws or failed to take advantage of some opportunities as well.

I don't see how anyone could disagree with Ed's comments about the need for adjustments or that Ricky should have got more carries.



No stone was thrown. He was asked a question about his QB and answered.
[/quote] There was not a clip when the person posted this thread. Like i said before. I was replying to when ed said ”It just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense.” Then i replied with "it wasnt joes fault, it was the offensive line and the dropped passes" how could ed say that it looked like joe didnt have a grasp? He can only do so much.

[Tank 92]

Dag! Talk about over reaction!

There is nothing here that should be read as "calling out" Joe, or locker room problems or anything like that. Be real!

[edreed2o]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1326824507' post='955327']
Dag! Talk about over reaction!

There is nothing here that should be read as "calling out" Joe, or locker room problems or anything like that. Be real!
[/quote] well then that's a relief and im happy. I was just replying on what the person put in the thread. Nothing more, nothing less.

[H8R]

What pissed me off the most is Cam was too stubborn to keep guys in for additional blocking. Numerous times, we went 4 wide... only to see Joe have instant pressure. To me, Unbalanced line or the Diesel package should have been implemented ALL DAY. you don't go 4 wide when you cant protect the QB, especailly with a QB like Flacco who isnt the best at knowing where the "planned protection breakdown" is going to happen.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='edreed2o' timestamp='1326824168' post='955312']
There was not a clip when the person posted this thread. Like i said before. I was replying to when ed said ”It just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense.” Then i replied with "it wasnt joes fault, it was the offensive line and the dropped passes" how could ed say that it looked like joe didnt have a grasp? He can only do so much.
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I posted the clip at the top of the second page.

Again, I don't see a problem with him saying Joe didn't have a "hold on the offense". In context of everything he said in the interview, he could have easily been implying he doesn't control.

[slayback0317]

This drives me crazy Joe is a great QB people act like the line not blocking or the recievers dropping balls is all his fault, Hes not a Elite QB yet but being over shadowed by a Top defence and a Top RB is alot of the reason why people cant apprichiate how good he really is. Its everyones right to have there opinion on Joe just take everything in to consideration before throwing the best QB the Ravens ever had under the bus! its not fair to him or people that belive in there players no matter what!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326822454' post='955263']

he wasnt really calling Joe out, but Joe was under constant pressure all day so did Joe throw it to Rice while Rice was falling down and miss someone who was open or 1 on 1? thats possible...Reed should call out Ray Rice about standing up instead of falling over. Rice cost us a TD when he tripped himself and fell short of the endzone by inches, then we dont get it on 4th down...Rice would have walked in if he didnt fall over....something he does EVERY GAME at least once or twice a game
[/quote]

That's true. There were plays that Joe left on the field, but Joe wasn't out there when Arian Foster ran up and down the field almost at will at times. I've actually said, given the cailber of defense this was (#3 in the league, #2 against the pass), the sad state of the O-line, and the fact that the receivers once again had a hard time hanging on to passes and Ray Rice was largely ineffective, that this was Joe's best postseason performance to date (considering some of the clunkers he's had in the past). But there were plays left on the field - there always are. I still think he's being honest, just surprised he said anything. And Ed is not a quarterback, he doesn't know what effects a lot of pressure and a constantly collapsing pocket have on a quarterback's ability to make plays. I am disappointed that not only are the media ripping Joe daily, now his own teammate(s) is/are calling him out.

[Ravenslifer]

I'm still surprised. It's been 2 days and not hide nor hair of Lord Voldemort. Thought he'd have written another exposé on how the defense saved our lousy quarterback's tail in this game.

[Jerseyraven52205527]

I think everyone is tired of watching the offense, except Ray Rice.
They must play there best game ever Sunday, period.
Flacco must put up and shut up!

[reediddy]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1326814375' post='955024']
Oh man, I hope we don't have a Jets-type situation on our hands.
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It's not infighting like what the Jets were doing. This is Ed saying what he feels, he isn't calling Joe a bad quarterback. Just play better. He's telling the offense to play better. These guys are grown men and I'm sure they know they didn't play their best game. This is a good sign for our team. It shows a camaraderie; Ed is comfortable enough with his teammates to call them out and say you know what you guys have to play better. I'm very confident that Joe and this entire offense will respond in a positive fashion

[reediddy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326821646' post='955243']

Agreed. And he earned that YPC too. His longest run only went for five yards but of his six carries, only one went for less than four. He got three straight carries towards the end of the second quarter. But Cam could and should have definitely worked him in more.

Working in receivers and tight ends can be difficult when an o-line is getting abused in pass protection. But when a back is clearly gaining positive yards on every carry, it's senseless to forget about him for multiple possessions.



So, he should have side-stepped the question because he hasn't had an All-Pro season?
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I agree with you on everything. Rice is a nifty shifty RB but Ricky's power and tough running are exactly the type of running you need to be effective against that Texans D

Now I really hope that Rice and Ricky get a combined 30-35 carries this next week. That's the only way we can win.

And on your point about Ed, I agree, and especially after the game he had this past Sunday, he has all the right to call out the offense to get better. He played his butt off

[reediddy]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1326822018' post='955253']
No reason to be concerned about this. I knew when I first read it that it was taken out of context and was most likely not as critical as it may have seemed.

This Team is a tight knit group and I'm sure there are no hard feelings on Joe's part.
[/quote]

This. These are grown up, veteran players who understand that they need to play at an exceptionally high level to beat the Pats next week. If it means putting a fire under someones butt they'll do it and know that the players will react in a positive manner and improve

[reediddy]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326823759' post='955303']
I wonder if Joe will even want to come back after his contract is up. This is like Jay Cutler and Denver all over again.

Maybe I'm blowing this out of proportion, but I can't imagine the guy is "having fun" with all this criticism.
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Well he has to understand that he has to play at a higher level for this team to succeed. Not to say he had a bad game by any means, but there are areas he could improve (pocket awareness, quicker reads, etc)

That being said, Ed's comments weren't explicitly directed to Joe; they were to the entire offense including the OL and playcalling. Flacco's demeanor and willpower is much stronger than Cutler I can imagine, so he won't take this personally. He'll improve

[bauer77]

I agree with everything that was said, especially the part where Ricky should've gotten more carries. I remember on the one possession, i believe in the 4th quarter (can't remember for sure) we gave the ball to him 3 straight times, a run of 5 yards, 4 yards, and then another 4 yards to get us a first down. And then he went running off the field. I'm like uhh why?

I understand RIce is our playmaker and what not, but like Ed said, you gotta switch it up more. Ricky is a power back, and can get those tough yards. Thats why i was questioning why we ran it on 4th and goal on the 1/2 yard line with Rice. I think Ricky would've gotten in there.

[H8R]

Well, the offense is far from Perfect... That's for certain... Marshall Yanda make a perfect kick out block for Rice at the goal line... What did Ray do? He picked a hole with 2 lbs waiting for him. That was a pOor job on his part.... Does that mean he's "lost in the offense"?