MERGED: Ed Reed Comments On Flacco

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1326918029' post='957329']
Except for Tebow (for good reasons) No other QB has been bashed like Flacco this year. For No Reason!!
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There is kind of a reason. For the most part, his whole career he hasn't said anything at all to the media. Then you get the "I'm an elite quarterback" over the offseason, so people criticize him. Then he beats the Steelers, so bitter Steelers fans like Dameshek criticize him. Then he beats Houston, so bitter Houston fans like what's her face criticize him. He's not flashy and doesn't put up eye-popping stats, and they can't figure out why he wins. So naturally it must not have anything to do with him, therefore he sucks.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326918269' post='957341']

There is kind of a reason. For the most part, his whole career he hasn't said anything at all to the media. Then you get the "I'm an elite quarterback" over the offseason, so people criticize him. Then he beats the Steelers, so bitter Steelers fans like Dameshek criticize him. Then he beats Houston, so bitter Houston fans like what's her face criticize him. He's not flashy and doesn't put up eye-popping stats, and they can't figure out why he wins. So naturally it must not have anything to do with him, therefore he sucks.
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When did he call him self elite?

[PuRock]

[b]Come guys. Let this thread die.[/b] Joe and Ed are past this. This team is focused on the Pats. We shouldn't be slaves to the media and we should continue to focus on the Pats instead.

From now on, I'm boycotting this thread (even though I haven't had much participation in it). We fans need to move on.

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326918177' post='957334']

Not this week. And they rarely mention Flacco in the context of the Ravens. It's more like "Look the Eagles suck, Vick sucks, blah blah blah." Then they start listing teams and quarterbacks who are doing well, so you here the usual Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc., but I have heard some people call in and discuss both Eli and Flacco this season. It's all about "Eli has grown up". With Flacco, like I said, they say "well, he's a game manager, but he can make plays, and he rarely makes mistakes or blames his teammates". Haven't been listening this week so I don't know what they've made of his comments last week, but for the most part when they bring him up, they're like "he's pretty good". I'm sure this week they've changed tunes now that they're picking games, but it's to be expected I guess. They have to pick a winner, and like it or not, Flacco's play is going to be huge in determining the outcome of this game.
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ok that is cool, I hear that the talking heads such as the talk host jumping on the brady bandwagon, but I heard a few flacco prases but they saying that there is a lot of ravens fans in the philly and the philly burbs area I found out last nigh lol. Ravens in the building

[D_UP]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326918488' post='957348']
[b]Come guys. Let this thread die.[/b] Joe and Ed are past this. This team is focused on the Pats. We shouldn't be slaves to the media and we should continue to focus on the Pats instead.

From now on, I'm boycotting this thread (even though I haven't had much participation in it). We fans need to move on.
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Ditto.

[Npane171]

This has been blown way out of proportion by the media in an attempt - in my opinion - to rattle the hated Ravens. Ravens fans - and players - need to ignore this propaganda. We all know how the sports media wanted so badly for the Steelers to return to the SB once again. Now that Green Bay is out, they've crawled back to their pretty-boy QB Tom Brady. Players need to be focused on the prize, not the garbage the media is cooking up. This is seriously captivating the attention of this organization entirely too much.

[wayne]

You guys got to be crazy to think just b/c Ed plays FS that he knows nothing about how to play the other positions on a footbal team, especially QB. Most of the players in the league played different positions coming up from grade school to college to the pros but they just excelled at one position better than the other so that's why they are playing their respective position in the NFL. With that being said, these guys are human and I'm sure a lot of the defensive players have got together and talked about the offensive end of things and from my guess, I feel they believe Joe and the offense can get it done on their end but they also have their doubts and they should judging from what has just happen in this season alone and I'm not even mentioning past seasons. Offense its what's been holding us back for years and the defensive which is ranked in the Top 5 almost every year has that right to voice their opinions on the matter.

What Ed said wasn't critical at all, he just pointed out the obvious from what many of us, including America has been saying. We need the O to atleast put up anywhere from 21-28 points for us to win.

[flynismo]

[quote name='BmoreInBmore' timestamp='1326914573' post='957216']

Yeah I'm the only one who thinks that, do you ever talk to people outside the Ravens fanbase? Go to New York or Philly or DC and talk to fans of different teams, with no affilication or bias towards the Ravens what they think of Falcco. YOU would be amazed because no one outside the Baltimore area would ever call him good.
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You talking about the same people that said Matt Ryan, Freeman and Bradford are light years ahead of Flacco? The same people who call Ray Lewis and Ed Reed over the hill and our defense is "old".

[fistfullwales]

Terrible timing on Reed's part. Should have waited until after the season to critisize. Not good, not good at all.

[Ravens Lover]

Wish some people would calm down about this, hes basically saying the whole team has to get better which they do, its not like hes being TO

[wayne]

[quote name='fiPlease be quiet.llwales' timestamp='1326919995' post='957406']
Terrible timing on Reed's part. Should have waited until after the season to critisize. Not good, not good at all.
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Ed must feel taking this approach would be of some type of positive output b/c we all know Ed is a smart guy. Maybe he felt after the season would be too late , maybe he felt that what he said needed to be said now before the Patriots game. Ed and Ray time is running out so its a bigger demand to want to win the SB ( Ray already has one but two is a charm and it would solidfy his status in the history books ) by those guys and I'm not saying the demand is not bigger by others on the team, especially Flacco but its no denying the fact that barring a career ending injury, Flacco still has many years left to play in the NFL so being rational, its easy to say that his demand is not more critical than Ed and Ray.

[Milton145]

I don't get why Flacco took so much fire after the game with the Texans...he was sacked 5 times, had pressure in his face all day, and our receivers dropped some balls yet he still managed to toss 2 TDs and didn't turn the ball over...

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1326918361' post='957343']
When did he call him self elite?
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Like way back last year. An interview on Sportscenter. Couldn't find a link, but here are some threads on the subject.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=10710502

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/30667-i-am-an-elite-quarterback-joe-flacco/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/13/joe-flacco-thinks-hes-pretty-darn-good-and-hes-right/

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1326921280' post='957444']
I don't get why Flacco took so much fire after the game with the Texans...he was sacked 5 times, had pressure in his face all day, and our receivers dropped some balls yet he still managed to toss 2 TDs and didn't turn the ball over...
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Because Michael Irvin and "Prime Time" are terrible analysts. That's why. Dilfer said good job, Tom Jackson who has been a quiet if firm critic of Joe over the years said good job, heck even Skip Baseless said good job - though his not-so-secret desire is to have Suggs publicly say he does not believe in Joe.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326889411' post='956581']
My point has been proven now that Ed Reed said something........smh
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Hmm..well now...it is beyond apparent that you did not actually view the presser that those comments were "chopped" from. It's not too hard, it's here on the site.

He began by saying he needed to play better. That they ALL needed to play better.

When asked if Flacco and the offense could keep pace with the Patriots and Brady...

he answered absolutely.

Sorry, your point isn't proven because once again the media has taken some words out of context and put their little spin on it.

And I don't know how you don't get it was more about Joe being handcuffed from even what they did pull...

"It was like he didn't have [b]control [/b]of the offense. (coaches) were telling him what to do, who to get the ball to. He can't play like that."

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1326921778' post='957468']
"It was like he didn't have [b]control [/b]of the offense. (coaches) were telling him what to do, who to get the ball to. He can't play like that."
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Exactly. Why these Flacco haters CHOOSE TO IGNORE THAT is beyond me.
(Well, that's not true -- I do know why that part, but I wont state the obvious)

[I AM LEGEND]

its funny how this thread has turned out

Flacco Haters say : " see no one trust Flacco not even his teammates!" "told ya so" "this is the end"

Flacco Supporters say: " what are u guys talking about...he wasn't even saying anything bad" "Ed shouldn't talk he sucked for a good portion of the year"

People in between see it for what the comments truly were....a slight jab at Flacco and the offense but nothing that should send the Ravens into a downward tailspin

[flynismo]

Normally, I wouldnt link to B/R, but since this contains direct quotes -- here is Flacco's response, and Ray Lewis AND Suggs standing up for Flacco:

[url="http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bdnb9"]http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bdnb9[/url]

Now since Ray and Sizzle stands up for Flacco, does that mean the Flacco supporters win and were right all along?

[wayne]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1326921280' post='957444']
I don't get why Flacco took so much fire after the game with the Texans...he was sacked 5 times, had pressure in his face all day, and our receivers dropped some balls yet he still managed to toss 2 TDs and didn't turn the ball over...
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Cam has to implement more 3 step drops, especially when he see a team is bringing the house and especially when he see the O-lineman are having an off day. We did like two 3 step drops the whole game ( I could be wrong ) and one was a completion on slant route to Boldin for the first down and the other one was when Dickson and someone else was doing drag route and the ball just hit the field for an incomplete pass ( why we don't do more slant routes with Boldin, I don't know ). Also, where are the draws Cam to try to offset the aggressiveness of the Texans front 4 pass rush? Draws and quick passes along with running the ball offsets the pass rush a little and then, when the aggressiveness of the front 4 is not that agressive due to the offsets you threw at them which wil help the O-line out for better blocking, then you bring in the 7 step drop plays.

[1/28/01]

Well, at least this gave you all something to talk about leading up to the same on Sunday!

[flynismo]

[url="http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bdnbb"]http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bdnbb[/url]

There's Sizzle saying that Flacco can beat anybody.

Yay, we were right, you were wrong, etc etc etc

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326889004' post='956572']
Wow really? The whole game was won on defense.
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Our secondary won this game, Besides Ray the rest of the D was NON EXISTENT.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Jeez the media is ridiculous.

On Around the Horn 30 second ago, Bomani Jones said that "if you look at more at what Reed said", that Ed Reed said that Joe was being "too controlled", and that he was too "robotic with his choices" (trying to further prove that Reed was attempting to say Flacco sucks.)

What the heck? If you ACTUALLY look at what Reed said Mr. Jones, you'd notice that he said Flacco was being too controlled by our coaching staff. I'm speechless.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='grantkyle2003' timestamp='1326910479' post='957086']
uh yeah, instead of focusing this morning on tape and film session harbaugh, reed and joe had to rehearse what to say to the media.to play damage control and now have to continue to answer questions for the rest of the week about this mess. You dont need unwanted press, plain and simple. This isnt the time for team mates critique each other in the press. Do that stuf in house between each other.

If your coworker tells someone at work you arent doing your job properly and in turn gets back to your boss and other people. They start asking you questions non stop and making you half to deal with that instead of getting your job done and ultimately affect your job performance. Smaller scale but same thing.
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Unless you were at the Castle, I doubt you know what Joe and Harbaugh were doing this morning.

Damage control? He commented on Joe's play for a few minutes and said he and the entire team had to play better against the Pats. He actually praised Joe during the interview, but I haven't seen an article or too many fans mention that.

It's not the same in my book. I doubt Joe or anyone on the team let's this become much of a distraction.

[DMH_in_WA]

I finally got to hear the actual statement and maybe I'm crazy (well, I am, but that doesn't matter) but that sounds like more of a shot against Cam Cameron than against Flacco. What I heard him say, and let me know if you agree or not, was that the Texans were getting to Joe and he seemed rattled because in Reed's estimation, they were trying to make Joe throw to particular players and that a QB can't play like that. In other words, they were handcuffing Joe in what they were calling and telling him/allowing him to do.

[rlh445]

So I've only read the first few pages but I'm pretty sure anyone with 'Ed', 'Reed', '20' or any sort of mixture of those in their username should quietly bow out of this conversation.

I don't care if Ed was the greatest safety, corner, wideout, quarterback and running back all rolled into one and single handedly scored 2340324 touchdowns a game....NOBODY is bigger than the team. That's the thing I loved about Harbs when he first got here four years ago is that he preached that over and over again. NOBODY should be going to the media and saying anything even remotely close to criticism of another player. 'Hey Ed, what'd you think of Joe's performance last night?,'. 'He's our quarterback, and did very well under all that pressure from the Texans' D. Next question!,'. BING BONG, DONE. That's all he had to say. If he had a problem with Joe, I'm quite sure there was plenty of time to hook up with Joe, Cam and John later on to discuss something he saw (and being Ed, his input would always be valued). There was no reason to say anything close to what he did and I don't care if he tried to soften it up at the end there, it just should've never come out of his mouth.

I know Joe's a big boy, and I know he's got a thick skin....as a QB you have to. You have to think of it this way though: what's worse, getting into an argument with your significant other in the privacy of your own home or getting into one at the grocery store? No matter if the argument is over a pint of milk or the entire cow, the argument is always gonna be way less damaging if you do it under your own roof than if you're out where everyone can see it. This is the same thing. I know they're brothers, I know they're family..but family would never speak out against their own nationally. Ed knows better, and I'm severely disappointed in him.

You can neg me all you want, but at least respond to what I wrote.

[slowhand]

He really picked a terrible time to bring drama into the locker room.

I can't help but feel that I watched a completely different game than a lot of the members of the media, and Reed last weekend.

The game I watched had Joe being swarmed by the other team's d-line, who were absolutely abusing our O-line. There was also a lot of very catchable passes being dropped by our receiving corps.

Honestly when I think back to that game, I feel that Joe was actually one of the better players, and he contributed a lot to the Ravens getting the W. He had zero turnovers and 2 tds, if he puts up those numbers against the Pats this weekend, and assuming Rice also contributes, I think the Ravens can beat the Pats.

[makaha]

Time for Joe to step up and prove he is the one.

[ratedr]

Skip Bayless was on 105.7 the Fan. Even he said he thought Flacco played well vs. Houston, and he thought the timing of Reed's comments were insane, and that Flacco doesn't need the added pressure. Can't believe I agreed with him on something.

[wayne]

Its a " Grown Mans " league, everything isn't gonna be sugarcoated ( which Ed did ), discussed behind close doors or be politically correct when spoken on. Each man is held accountable and I'm sure Ed don't mind a little constructive criticism coming his way , he would just man up and say he has to play better which he has already said this season with a few whiffs on some tackles. Reading in between the lines of what Ed said, he's not criticizing Joe, he's criticizing Cam anyway but it would be great for Joe to own up to some of his mistakes sometimes. While he seems to worry about the media not giving him the respect he deserves, he need to let his play earn the respect of the media, not his mouth. If Joe wants to change the tides and shut people up, the time to do it is NOW!