MERGED: Ed Reed Comments On Flacco

[H8R]

[size="3"][color="#000000"][font="Calibri"]This is a little troublesome to me. It seems the defense doesnt have much confidence in Joe, and I noticed rice was ticked after he fell down. Not sure if it's towards Joe or towards the officiating...[/font][/color][/size]


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[funky141]

Why Flacco gets ripped, not all is faught but he does need to play better sunday. Which he should against a bad Patriots defense.

[ratedr]

Oh man, I hope we don't have a Jets-type situation on our hands.

[Ravenslifer]

Ed's being honest. This is the first time I can remember him calling Joe out - hopefully Joe listens.

[ratedr]

Ed is right though. Hopefully he listens. He seems to get touchy about criticism, but he needs to learn how to deal with it or he needs to go.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1326814375' post='955024']
Oh man, I hope we don't have a Jets-type situation on our hands.
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Hardly. For one thing, Ed put his name on it. Secondly, nothing Reed said was really discrediting.

With the audible to Ray Rice and Torrey man-to-man. Their was no pocket and it was designed to be a quick pass. Joe knows he can't take a sack there and Rice fell. Its not like Joe had time in the second half to be checking off with a tenacious pass rush against him.

Ed is contradicting himself. He says Joe held onto the ball too much (which led to sacks) but then he didn't check off Rice and look to Torrey (which probably would have led to a sack).

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1326814261' post='955020']
[u][b]Why Flacco gets ripped[/b][/u], not all is faught but he does need to play better sunday. Which he should against a bad Patriots defense.
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Safety [url="http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/ed-reed-ravens-safety-joined-adam-schein-rich"][color="#2c2c2c"]Ed Reed watched on the sideline and had some interesting comments about his QB[/color][/url] on The [url="http://www.siriusxm.com/NFL"][color="#2c2c2c"]SiriusXM Blitz[/color][/url] with Adam Schein and Rich Gannon on Monday. [i]“[u][b]I think a couple of the times he needed to get rid of the ball[/b][/u],” Reed said. ”[u][b]It just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense[/b][/u].”[/i]

people are waaaaay to sensitive about Joe being criticized. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img] he's the qb! it comes with the territory! but it is one thing when people "outside" of the Raven's organization says something about Joe and another thing altogether when one of the Ravens "players" (who's in practices and on the field in games) like Ed Reed has something to say about Joe's gameplay.

i agree with Ed! at times...Joe tries to stand tall and flat-footed in the pocket when it is collapsing all around him and throw the football. there are times he needs to scramble out of there in advance to extend the plays. i was screaming at the tv the other day saying...."Get out of there Joeeeeeee!" and..."Get rid of the ball Joeeeeeeee!" lol!

~Mili

[H8R]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326814835' post='955042']

Hardly. For one thing, Ed put his name on it. Secondly, nothing Reed said was really discrediting.

With the audible to Ray Rice and Torrey man-to-man. Their was no pocket and it was designed to be a quick pass. Joe knows he can't take a sack there and Rice fell. Its not like Joe had time in the second half to be checking off with a tenacious pass rush against him.

Ed is contradicting himself. He says Joe held onto the ball too much (which led to sacks) but then he didn't check off Rice and look to Torrey (which probably would have led to a sack).
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Ed Reed has been known to spout off a bit when a mic is in his face.... He's a great defensive player, but hes no QB. So, I think he really doesnt understand everything about our own offense, and rightfully so. Rice falls down all the time ( on his own accord), to me...it looked like he was pushed down. I'm honestly surprised it wasnt called a penalty, maybe Flacco felt the same way. Also, maybe Joe doesn't exactly have the trust in torrey that he should, Torrey had critical drops again....

[usmccharles]

Ed is damn good saftey. He should stick to critisising other safteys, not his qb

[PuRock]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1326815141' post='955047']
Ed is damn good saftey. He should stick to critisising other safteys, not his qb
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Or why Andre Johnson posted 100+ and Arian Foster 130+. If it weren't for Yates Forcing into double and triple coverage........

[izvoodoo]

When you get sacked 5 times... you're gonna suck.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I don't see this as a concern at all. I don't disagree with Reed either, what he said was true.

[jaege]

Ed is a senior member of the team filled with a great deal of football knowledge and anyone should listen when he speaks. Same with Ray. And I am sure when things do not go correctly the other players get a little upset. These guys are human. I would not let it worry me.


Joe got sacked 5 times because the line couldn't hold back a vicious Texans rush. It happens occasionally.

[1/28/01]

Great....now the select few here are going to ride this as "Ed hates Joe" and "he's a complete bum, per Ed!"

[JoeCool#5]

Yeah, I agree with Ed Reed here. Joe didnt have a hold of the offense sometimes, he was handcuffed by Cam's play calling.

I think the reason Rice was upset at the refs and how he was pushed in the back.

[Gtown Purple]

Joe was harrassed and hurried for most of the game. At one point he was under 30 percent in completion percentage and finished above 50. He got sacked 5 times and had at least 3 drops. Given the fact that he had all of this and did not turn the ball over I'm happy with his performance.

The play Ed called into question Rice fell down which isn't Joe's fault and the pocket collapsed which isn't his fault either. Throwing to Torrey on that play would have resulted in a negative play of some sort.

I do agree that the Ravens need to play better to beat NE. That means OL, WR, everybody.

[Corvus]

I don't disagree with Ed either, he didn't say anything out of the norm, but to be fair, we all know, as well as Ed knows, that Joe and Ray had little help from the o-line all game.

[Ed_Reed20]

Here's the link to the actual audio. [url="http://siriusxmsport...dam-schein-rich"]Link[/url]

It's easy to take select quotes and make conclusions. I don't have an issue with anything Ed said after hearing the segment in full. He even conceded his analysis was "hearsay" and that what he sees on the sidelines or what the fans see may not be what Joe sees.

What I found more interesting were the comments he made on Joe having to go to certain plays based on play-calling, Ricky needing more carries and the need for adjustments.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' timestamp='1326816342' post='955082']
Joe was harrassed and hurried for most of the game. At one point he was under 30 percent in completion percentage and finished above 50. He got sacked 5 times and had at least 3 drops. Given the fact that he had all of this and did not turn the ball over I'm happy with his performance.

The play Ed called into question Rice fell down which isn't Joe's fault and the pocket collapsed which isn't his fault either. Throwing to Torrey on that play would have resulted in a negative play of some sort.

I do agree that the Ravens need to play better to beat NE. That means OL, WR, everybody.
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If anything the O-Line should be called out this week. It was like a sandcastle being attacked by a 4 year old.

[Crabcakes&Football]

With all due respect to Ed Reed, he knows way more about football than I ever will, Joe didn't play phenomenal but he was hardly the problem on offense that day IMO.

[Gtown Purple]

I agree, they were consistently beaten by basic stunts and even iso. I clearly recall one of JJ watts sacks where he was iso on Yanda, swimmed him, and made the sack. Yanda barely made contact and nearly fell clear on his [profanity deleted].


[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326816489' post='955087'] If anything the O-Line should be called out this week. It was like a sandcastle being attacked by a 4 year old.[/quote]

[Ray Ray Ravens]

I feel there was only 1 sack where I was thinking Joe get rid of the ball. He had the time on that one but took the sack. Alot of the sacks were multiple defensive players around him. You would watch him go into scramble mode turn to run and a guy was in his face on that side too. Not much you can do about that.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326816423' post='955086']
Here's the link to the actual audio. [url="http://siriusxmsport...dam-schein-rich"]Link[/url]

It's easy to take select quotes and make conclusions. I don't have an issue with anything Ed said after hearing the segment in full. He even conceded his analysis was "hearsay" and that what he sees on the sidelines or what the fans see may not be what Joe sees.

What I found more interesting were the comments he made on Joe having to go to certain plays based on play-calling, Ricky needing more carries and the need for adjustments.
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I said Ricky needed more carries yesterday. He had 4.5 ypc and was WAY more effective than Rice in rushing the ball, it wasn't even close. Rice is a playmaker, but damn Ricky isn't a bum. If he's running hard and effective through tackles and Rice is falling over at the LOS and getting stuffed at the LOS then give Ricky the damn ball.

[Jerseyraven52205527]

Listen to Ed Reed, he is one of the smartest football players of all time.
I'll take Reed as a QB any day.

[VA_Fan]

I believe Ed . I mean either Cam really sucks at his job or Joe regressed this season. We just don't have that good of an offense this year. Yeah we might run the ball well but once they take that away, look for the over trows and dropped passes to come out.

[edreed2o]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326814835' post='955042']


Hardly. For one thing, Ed put his name on it. Secondly, nothing Reed said was really discrediting.

With the audible to Ray Rice and Torrey man-to-man. Their was no pocket and it was designed to be a quick pass. Joe knows he can't take a sack there and Rice fell. Its not like Joe had time in the second half to be checking off with a tenacious pass rush against him.

Ed is contradicting himself. He says Joe held onto the ball too much (which led to sacks) but then he didn't check off Rice and look to Torrey (which probably would have led to a sack).
[/quote] Exactly. Ed reed did contradict himself. I dont get why ed reed would say that about joe. Cmon ed. Did you not see how horrible the offensive line was? Or how about the several drops by our receivers? How about ray rice getting next to nothing? The only thing joe can do is get it there. Joe would of had a good game if the receivers would catch the ball. You had your bad games ed and so did joe but this game wasnt one of them.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='edreed2o' timestamp='1326819581' post='955184']
Exactly. Ed reed did contradict himself. I dont get why ed reed would say that about joe. Cmon ed. Did you not see how horrible the offensive line was? Or how about the several drops by our receivers? How about ray rice getting next to nothing? The only thing joe can do is get it there. Joe would of had a good game if the receivers would catch the ball. You had your bad games ed and so did joe but this game wasnt one of them.
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Ed said there were a few times he could've thrown the ball when he didn't. A few. Not every play. Hell, even Peyton Manning throws a few bad ones every game. Holding on to the ball is certainly better than throwing when there onyl might be a slim chance of a catch. Just look at Yates' interceptions, which cost them the game. Ed wasn't ripping Joe, he was just saying he wasn't perfect.

[Ravenseconbeast]

What he said was right. Im sure Flacco feels the same way. We'll see how much Flacco & the receivers will execute vs. Patriots. This will not be another texans game. If that were to happen we are going to be completely dominated

[Lee is in the house!]

Q. Why Ravens Passed With Clock Dwindling?
A. Probably because Cam's ineptitude appears to be contagious...

[edreed2o]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1326819814' post='955189']

Ed said there were a few times he could've thrown the ball when he didn't. A few. Not every play. Hell, even Peyton Manning throws a few bad ones every game. Holding on to the ball is certainly better than throwing when there onyl might be a slim chance of a catch. Just look at Yates' interceptions, which cost them the game. Ed wasn't ripping Joe, he was just saying he wasn't perfect.
[/quote] Yea you are right on some things but i was mostly replying to when ed said ”It just didn’t look like he had a hold on the offense.” It wasn't joes fault. Hell cam cameron is the one calls the plays. That man is blind as a bat.