Reasons The Ravens Will Beat Patriots

[Mick0311]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1326744494' post='953876']
I really have no idea what's going to happen on sunday.
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This is the best quote of the week for me so far. This is exactly how I feel, and it simply defines how I think this thing is going to go. lol

[hawkprey]

[quote name='PatsFanNH' timestamp='1326817049' post='955102']
scrock...

Steelers won the time of possession, but would you want give Brady almost 2 minutes to drive down the field for the win? The Steelers did that and they stopped him, I would feel confident as a Pats fan if he had the ball with that much time left and a TD wins the game for us.

That said I expect a good game, only way I see a Patriot blow out is if the Ravens fail get pressure on Brady and The Pats D has a game last like last weekend. (13 plays for the Broncos were NEGATIVE plays..) I dont see both happening so should be a close good PLAYOFF game.
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Seeing as how Brady has a whopping 6 TDs against the Ravens in 5 games I wouldn't be so sure of that.

[The_Patriot_Way]

Here's a little rain for your parade:

[b]1.[/b] Tom Brady was injured during the Pittsburgh Steelers game. Not just injured, his throwing arm was injured. It was also after injuries that had Belichick doing some experimentation with personnell. It was also uncharacteristically bad football played by the Patriots and yet they were still competitive. Every Steelers fan I know and every Steelers fan i've seen speak on the issue online is partially glad they didn't move past the Broncos only to get humiliated by the Patriots. It isn't the same team and it's playing on a different level now.

[b]2.[/b] Our other loss came to the Giants and that game was only lost because injuries forced Belichick to put Sergio Brown in a position he's never played before (cornerback) and he gave Eli Manning a needless PI in the end zone in the final seconds of the game from like 50 yards out to put NYG on the goal line. Our injured players are back, that defense that blew a win to the Giants isn't what you'll be facing this sunday.

[b]3. [/b]It became clear to everyone familiar with the Patriots during the Indianapolis game that Belichick was treating regular season games like pre season games, experimenting with various second and third string players in various defensive positions.

In short, Belichick was holding his defensive player for the post season. He released it on the Broncos and you saw the results. 5 sacks, 18 negative yardage plays (a record, I believe) and seething with aggression.

The defense from the regular season everyone sited as the Patriots achilles heel is no longer relevant.

[b]4.[/b] The Ravens seemed to only win against the Texans because the Texans basically handed it to them. 4 turn overs and 1 gift wrapped touchdown on the botched return. If that, or anything even remotely close to the same hemisphere as that, is what shows up to Gillette stadium the game will be over by half time.

[b]5. [/b]Your one win against the Patriots came in a year where Brady was rehabilitating his injury still and thus not practicing close to 100%. Wes Welker was also out with an ACL injury and the team was nearly as potent over all as it is today.

[b]6. [/b]Tom Brady.

Ray Lewis has said Tom Brady is the greatest football player to ever play. He says this with good reason. If you aren't scared of what he can do and how quickly he can bring a score completely out of control for an opposing team you must of missed last weeks game against the Broncos. Say what you will about Denver, they have a good defense and Brady made them look like a junior varsity high school team from Europe. This on top of the fact that he has a full arsenal of weapons at his disposal spells doom for anyone, especially at home, especially now that he's 100% healthy.

You won't be the first team to think you're going to do this defensively, and think you're going to do that defensively, then find yourselves down 21 points and completely demoralized at the end of the 1st quarter.

[b]7. [/b]Even before the return of Spikes and Chung, during our regular season experimental defenses, we were ranked #2 for interceptions and #7 for fumbles. We have a formidable pass rush. We will make you pay for turn overs, not with field goals, with touchdowns.

I understand having confidence in your team but you are the underdogs for a reason.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Mick0311' timestamp='1326833339' post='955621']


This is the best quote of the week for me so far. This is exactly how I feel, and it simply defines how I think this thing is going to go. lol
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Honestly I would have rather lost to a full powered houston in the AFC championship than New England. Get that powder puff football out of here.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1326831154' post='955494']
You posted some good reasons why the Patriots could be upset by a good team next week. What you're forgetting is that the Ravens on the road are anything but good.
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Thus far under Harbaugh we've been pretty good on the road in the playoffs. Even the games we've lost have been decided by 10 points or less I believe. (Can't remember the Indy score)

[Uncle Tom]

Let me see...
Tom Brady
Wes Welker
Rob Gronkowski
Aaron Hernandez

...sorry I could find a reason that could lead to a Ravens victory...

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1326833123' post='955601']
Were the 4 losses because we were on the road or because the team underestimated their opponent? You can't say. Maybe it's because we were on the road, maybe it's because we overlook teams. No way in hell we overlook the Pats, so we'll find out what kind of road team we really have on Sunday.
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Yes I can. 8-0 at home, 4-4 on the road. Ravens are a very poor road team.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1326835195' post='955683']

Yes I can. 8-0 at home, 4-4 on the road. Ravens are a very poor road team.
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4-4 isn't a "very poor" mark. It's an average mark. .500 on the road is the minimum. The jacksonville and seattle games may come back to haunt us.

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1326835398' post='955688']

4-4 isn't a "very poor" mark. It's an average mark. .500 on the road is the minimum. The jacksonville and seattle games may come back to haunt us.
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Look at who we lost to. Like I said, very poor.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1326835437' post='955691']

Look at who we lost to. Like I said, very poor.
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I could make the same argument for the patriots vs. playoff teams not named the broncos.

The thing I'm really worried about is drops. I don't even want to think about the drops we've had.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1326835195' post='955683']

Yes I can. 8-0 at home, 4-4 on the road. Ravens are a very poor road team.
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I know the records, but the road games this year have coincided with other variables, namely, playing teams under .500 outside the division. We did have better games against Cincy and Cleveland on the road than at home.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='The_Patriot_Way' timestamp='1326833445' post='955628']
[b]4.[/b] [b]The Ravens seemed to only win against the Texans because the Texans basically handed it to them. 4 turn overs and 1 gift wrapped touchdown on the botched return.[/b] If that, or anything even remotely close to the same hemisphere as that, is what shows up to Gillette stadium the game will be over by half time.

[b]7. Even before the return of Spikes and Chung, during our regular season experimental defenses, we [/b]
[b]were ranked #2 for interceptions and #7 for fumbles.[/b] We have a formidable pass rush. We will make you pay for turn overs, not with field goals, with touchdowns.
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Please explain this. Sounds like either we won legitimately or your entire season was gift-wrapped.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1326833737' post='955638']
Honestly I would have rather lost to a full powered houston in the AFC championship than New England. Get that powder puff football out of here.
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I feel ya.

[organizedchaos007]

[quote name='The_Patriot_Way' timestamp='1326833445' post='955628']
Here's a little rain for your parade:

[b]1.[/b] Tom Brady was injured during the Pittsburgh Steelers game. Not just injured, his throwing arm was injured. It was also after injuries that had Belichick doing some experimentation with personnell. It was also uncharacteristically bad football played by the Patriots and yet they were still competitive. Every Steelers fan I know and every Steelers fan i've seen speak on the issue online is partially glad they didn't move past the Broncos only to get humiliated by the Patriots. It isn't the same team and it's playing on a different level now.

[b]2.[/b] Our other loss came to the Giants and that game was only lost because injuries forced Belichick to put Sergio Brown in a position he's never played before (cornerback) and he gave Eli Manning a needless PI in the end zone in the final seconds of the game from like 50 yards out to put NYG on the goal line. Our injured players are back, that defense that blew a win to the Giants isn't what you'll be facing this sunday.

[b]3. [/b]It became clear to everyone familiar with the Patriots during the Indianapolis game that Belichick was treating regular season games like pre season games, experimenting with various second and third string players in various defensive positions.

In short, Belichick was holding his defensive player for the post season. He released it on the Broncos and you saw the results. 5 sacks, 18 negative yardage plays (a record, I believe) and seething with aggression.

The defense from the regular season everyone sited as the Patriots achilles heel is no longer relevant.

[b]4.[/b] The Ravens seemed to only win against the Texans because the Texans basically handed it to them. 4 turn overs and 1 gift wrapped touchdown on the botched return. If that, or anything even remotely close to the same hemisphere as that, is what shows up to Gillette stadium the game will be over by half time.

[b]5. [/b]Your one win against the Patriots came in a year where Brady was rehabilitating his injury still and thus not practicing close to 100%. Wes Welker was also out with an ACL injury and the team was nearly as potent over all as it is today.

[b]6. [/b]Tom Brady.

Ray Lewis has said Tom Brady is the greatest football player to ever play. He says this with good reason. If you aren't scared of what he can do and how quickly he can bring a score completely out of control for an opposing team you must of missed last weeks game against the Broncos. Say what you will about Denver, they have a good defense and Brady made them look like a junior varsity high school team from Europe. This on top of the fact that he has a full arsenal of weapons at his disposal spells doom for anyone, especially at home, especially now that he's 100% healthy.

You won't be the first team to think you're going to do this defensively, and think you're going to do that defensively, then find yourselves down 21 points and completely demoralized at the end of the 1st quarter.

[b]7. [/b]Even before the return of Spikes and Chung, during our regular season experimental defenses, we were ranked #2 for interceptions and #7 for fumbles. We have a formidable pass rush. We will make you pay for turn overs, not with field goals, with touchdowns.

I understand having confidence in your team but you are the underdogs for a reason.
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so every game the Pats lost to a winning team, there is an excuse? You have yet to beat a winning team all year, and we have played 8 of the top 10 defenses.. yours is last. Im not so worried about your offense, but you should worry about yoru suspect D. come on man. Brady rarely ever has over 90 qb rating against us. There will be no excuses this game, win or lose

[Bltravens]

Is "because I want them to" a good enough reason?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1326851917' post='956216']
Is "because I want them to" a good enough reason?
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Maybe you should throw in a "I have a good feeling" to make sure.

[Alexir]

Anyone listen to 105.7? A NFL Defensive Coordinator (named wouldn't be given) spoke to Vinny Cerato couple nights ago and Vinny wrote down the ways to beat the Pats. Mostly involving tight coverage on the tight ends with Pollard playing a mid zone. He basically said they aren't fast but they are dangerous with the YAC. Need to tackle better and have Webb on Welker.

Wish i had the soundbite.

[BMORElegacy]

Not to be stupid but didn't the Patriots pass rush take a huge hit with Andre Carter's injury?

[The_Patriot_Way]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1326840986' post='955891']

Please explain this. Sounds like either we won legitimately or your entire season was gift-wrapped.
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No, because they weren't forced turn overs. They were turn overs brought about from a rookie quarterback throwing the ball directly to your receivers. What the Giants did the to the Packers were forced turn overs. What the Ravens received from the Texans were just gift wrapped points. 17 of them.

[PuRock]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1326860655' post='956400']
Not to be stupid but didn't the Patriots pass rush take a huge hit with Andre Carter's injury?
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It did. Andre was having a renaissance year. He was leading the team in sacks. Mark Anderson has been playing very well for them with double digit sacks on the year. The Pats also have the juicer Brandon Spikes back after he missed a 7 game stretch with an injury. Though he didn't add much in terms of a pass rush.

[scrock]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1326831154' post='955494']
You posted some good reasons why the Patriots could be upset by a good team next week. What you're forgetting is that the Ravens on the road are anything but good.
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This is the playoffs, anything can happen, a team can get hot at the right time and do spectacular things. That Lee Evans catch yesterday was simply incredible...without that first down who knows what could have happened.

[Twistidfunk]

What happened to all the talk Wild Card weekend when everyone was talking ahead of games and how the Ravens were the one team that can go to New England and win it?

That all seemed to have vanished.

But guess what, The Ravens are still the team that can go into New England and win it. New England should be very worried about the Ravens. When teams liike the Redskins or the Bills can seemingly move the ball at will on your defense, something is wrong. The Ravens have a superior running game and Flacco will get hot against a putrid secondary. Everyone is so focused on Pretty Boy but I am confident the Ravens go up there and score 30+...without turnovers. Throw in a fumble or a pick and this game is gonna get ugly for Pats fans. I hate their arrogance and the way they dismiss teams every week. It makes it that much sweeter when they lose! When the Bills beat 'em it was amazing watching Pats fans watch in disgust. It was like it couldn't happen to them, but it did and we will knock 'em off this year too.

By the way, our defense is coming. They will not allow the Ravens to lose this game. The book is out on how to beat the Pretty Boy and only a few teams in the league have the personnel to do it. Well, the Ravens are one of those teams. With the combination of our running game and our defense we will win this game.


That is just how I see it.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='The_Patriot_Way' timestamp='1326894294' post='956643']

No, because they weren't forced turn overs. They were turn overs brought about from a rookie quarterback throwing the ball directly to your receivers. What the Giants did the to the Packers were forced turn overs. What the Ravens received from the Texans were just gift wrapped points. 17 of them.
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Keep telling yourself that. I guess we'll have to remember that when Brady throws an interception this Sunday, it will be because he wanted the Ravens to win.

[scrock]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1326897082' post='956695']
[b]What happened to all the talk Wild Card weekend when everyone was talking ahead of games and how the Ravens were the one team that can go to New England and win it?[/b]

That all seemed to have vanished.

But guess what, The Ravens are still the team that can go into New England and win it. New England should be very worried about the Ravens. When teams liike the Redskins or the Bills can seemingly move the ball at will on your defense, something is wrong. The Ravens have a superior running game and Flacco will get hot against a putrid secondary. Everyone is so focused on Pretty Boy but I am confident the Ravens go up there and score 30+...without turnovers. Throw in a fumble or a pick and this game is gonna get ugly for Pats fans. I hate their arrogance and the way they dismiss teams every week. It makes it that much sweeter when they lose! When the Bills beat 'em it was amazing watching Pats fans watch in disgust. It was like it couldn't happen to them, but it did and we will knock 'em off this year too.

By the way, our defense is coming. They will not allow the Ravens to lose this game. The book is out on how to beat the Pretty Boy and only a few teams in the league have the personnel to do it. Well, the Ravens are one of those teams. With the combination of our running game and our defense we will win this game.


That is just how I see it.
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That all comes in cycles, its like when you lose someone in life, its denial, anger, grief, acceptance? haha

The Ravens offense can get it done and control the clock, I think Ed Reed is trying to make a point and light a spark. Did you see the Suggs video? talking about Flacco

[Twistidfunk]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326898879' post='956750']

That all comes in cycles, its like when you lose someone in life, its denial, anger, grief, acceptance? haha

The Ravens offense can get it done and control the clock, I think Ed Reed is trying to make a point and light a spark. Did you see the Suggs video? talking about Flacco
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I have not seen it yet. I started a new job and am not entirely comfortable watching vids yet, haha. I will watch tonight. I did hear the clip on 105.7 the fan though

[RoadtoSBFoxboro]

do you remember that the Ravens came to Foxboro only two years ago and whipped the Patriots in their own backyard?

PAYBACK TIME!!!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RoadtoSBFoxboro' timestamp='1326904227' post='956902']
do you remember that the Ravens came to Foxboro only two years ago and whipped the Patriots in their own backyard?

It'll happen again!!!
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[The_Patriot_Way]

If you guys think that one win you have over us in the post season is any indicator of what will take place sunday you're completely wrong. This isn't even remotely close to the same beat up and injury ridden football team you guys beat then. Only 19 players remain from that game. This Patriots team is INFINITELY superior.

Neither Welker, Gronk, Hernandez or Branch played in that game. See the difference already? I'm not finished yet. Green Ellis wasn't Green Ellis back then. We had LOL Maroney as Running Back. We had Sam Aiken, Isaiah Stanback, Edelman and an INJURED Randy Moss as wide receivers. That isn't a dynamic offense. That was a full ball team on life support that wasn't at all poised to go deep into the post season and nobody in New England was expecting it to. Even Bill Belichick admitted it wasn't a team that was anything remotely close to Superbowl bound. More over, Tom Brady was not practicing or working out like an all star quarterback because he was still rehabilitating his injured knee from the year before.

Quite the difference from the New England Patriots you're going to have to deal with this sunday.

It's night and day, apples and cinder blocks. There is no comparison.

That team was an injury ridden shell of its former and future self. It was nothing.

This team is a world class offense.

[Twistidfunk]

Patsy fans love making excuses except when it comes to Spygate the tapes didn't matter....... riiiiiigggggghtttt

Bill Belicheat and the Cheatriots will never win another superbowl. Bank it!

[PuRock]

[quote name='The_Patriot_Way' timestamp='1326914650' post='957221']
If you guys think that one win you have over us in the post season is any indicator of what will take place sunday you're completely wrong. This isn't even remotely close to the same beat up and injury ridden football team you guys beat then. Only 19 players remain from that game. This Patriots team is INFINITELY superior.

Neither Welker, Gronk, Hernandez or Branch played in that game. See the difference already? I'm not finished yet. Green Ellis wasn't Green Ellis back then. We had LOL Maroney as Running Back. We had Sam Aiken, Isaiah Stanback, Edelman and an INJURED Randy Moss as wide receivers. That isn't a dynamic offense. That was a full ball team on life support that wasn't at all poised to go deep into the post season and nobody in New England was expecting it to. Even Bill Belichick admitted it wasn't a team that was anything remotely close to Superbowl bound. More over, Tom Brady was not practicing or working out like an all star quarterback because he was still rehabilitating his injured knee from the year before.

Quite the difference from the New England Patriots you're going to have to deal with this sunday.

It's night and day, apples and cinder blocks. There is no comparison.

That team was an injury ridden shell of its former and future self. It was nothing.

[b]This team is a world class offense.[/b]
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Haha. The Packers and Saints are world class offenses as well. But seriously, how many top 10 defenses did you play this year? That'll help a offense look even more world class.

And not many people are basing the results on this upcoming game on that 2009 playoff win. Most of us know its a different time. I'll tell you what though, our offense is also better than when you faced you then (not world class but night and day different). Our defense is about the same, but last time we had jokes at CB. Fabian Washington, Frank Walker.

And on top of that, you're defense is a lot worse!

[b]I'm not finished yet![/b] So your're right. You added some talent on offense but your opponents got better and your defense got worse!