The Recievers Bailed Joe Out?

[scrock]

that dude is a joke, they look at the boxscores, these guys dont watch tape.....they dont know what happened in the game

Joe's WRs BAILED him out ?? More like left him out to dry...no one was making any plays other than a couple nice catches.....

It was pathetic

[JO_75]

[quote name='IMissMattStover' timestamp='1326737105' post='953605']
If there is one thing I am truly sick of, it is people trashing Flacco all of the time, claiming that recievers are the only reason we survive. Bull. FIrst off, he had some great throws that were dropped. Second, if Flacco were that bad, recievers wouldnt be able to bail him out. WRs can only catch what they can reach, and the fact that they made catches is testament to Joe, not just them.
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Also it seems the media forgets that ever since we drafted Joe and Joe became the starter, we have been in the playoffs for 4 straight seasons and have won at least 1 playoff each time. Joe is also 5-3 in the playoffs. Also I feel bad for Houston's defense, everyone says how Joe played horrible but nobody seems to be giving the Texans defense credit for making Joe play horrible.

[IMissMattStover]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1326741641' post='953774']
that dude is a joke, they look at the boxscores, these guys dont watch tape.....they dont know what happened in the game

Joe's WRs BAILED him out ?? [b]More like left him out to dry[/b]...no one was making any plays other than a couple nice catches.....

It was pathetic
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Exactly what I thought. Its rediculous how they judge a QB on whether his WRs actually catch.

[IMissMattStover]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1326741707' post='953777']

Also it seems the media forgets that ever since we drafted[b] Joe and Joe became the starter, we have been in the playoffs for 4 straight seasons and have won at least 1 playoff each time[/b]. Joe is also 5-3 in the playoffs. Also I feel bad for Houston's defense, everyone says how Joe played horrible but nobody seems to be giving the Texans defense credit for making Joe play horrible.
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I knew I was forgetting to mention something. 4 straight playoff berths, duh.

[DMH_in_WA]

I actually think that a big chunk of the sports media is starting to come around to it not being all about Joe. No one can deny that Joe has had issues this year, but I think yesterday only having 4 games and attention paid to the games, people are seeing another side of Flacco. Make no mistake, if Joe had tossed 2 INTs yesterday, he would have been bbq'd and hung out to dry. But to maintain his composure and keep going without making any real mistakes has shown a lot about what he is about.

You are hearing a lot 'All Flacco does is win. Doesn't matter how ... he wins' today. There's still a lot of criticism out there, but it is finally being tempered a bit with a level of praise for him.

[SecretAgentMan]

My god, this crap again, he isnt bad, his OC screws him up big time. It doen't help his stats that his recivers (outside of Boldin) can't catch. If we lose we must fire Cam, and get a physcal target with good hands. Unless smith doesnt improve his craft, he will not have great hands. In fact, Joe should [b]torch[/b] the Pats, if they truly want to win the SB they have to do three things.
1. Unleash Lee Evans
If we get him going, Look Out
2.Torrey has to be consistent
He drops too many
3.Stop releying on Rice too much.
I'm not saying that we stop giving him 20 carries, but more like, give Joe the opportunity to get more pass plays. This is what we did 2 years ago.

Predictions (for passers, and recivers.)
Flacco 305 yards sacked twice 1 INT 3 TD's
Boldin 105 yards
Evans 100 yards
Smith 50 yards
Rice 25 yards
Pitta 20 yards
Dickson 5 yards.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1326741707' post='953777']

Also it seems the media forgets that ever since we drafted Joe and Joe became the starter, we have been in the playoffs for 4 straight seasons and have won at least 1 playoff each time. Joe is also 5-3 in the playoffs.[b] Also I feel bad for Houston's defense, everyone says how Joe played horrible but nobody seems to be giving the Texans defense credit[/b] for making Joe play horrible.
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I've listened to a lot of the more thoughtful analysts making this exact point. They kind of cut into someone making a "didn't play well" riff by saying, "Lets not forget, this is the #2 defense in the NFL they were up against". Houston's D has been suspect so long that I don't think people have truly wrapped their brains around the fact that they are ferocious, young, talented and hungry now.

[Militant X 1]

to me...just because someone speaks negatively of flacco's gameplay it doesn't mean that they are "flacco-haters." that term is getting played out! everyone outside of baltimore (ravens nation) don't and won't embrace flacco...no matter what he does....period! at this point...just keep winning and then the only thing that people can say is that...

"the ravens receivers or defense bailed flacco out all the way to a superbowl win!"

~Mili

[PerpetuallyBored74]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1326733432' post='953443']
Just decide to bash Joe. Let's forget people can't catch or that Cam's long-winded route combinations is getting my QB murdered. Just let the haters hate. Once he wins the Superbowl they'll have no choice but to kneel.

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Therein lies the paradox though.To have a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl this year, Cam needs to STOP sending the WR on long developing routes constantly and ADJUST to compensate for the O-Line being mediocre at pass protection. Or the offense will continue to struggle to sustain drives down field.
Right now what you get are 1 maybe 2 long completions downfield sometimes, then usually a punt or a FG. This is because our WR are usually running routes that take them 15 + yards downfield and hardly ever run routes that only take them 5 to 15 yards. And to sustain drives, you need WR's going mostly 5-15 yards while occasionally taking a shot farther downfield--basically the opposite of how Cam does it.
What Cam is doing is playing the percentages--gambling that if he keeps sending our WR's deep eventually they'll either catch one and score or draw a PI that leaves us at 1st and goal. And if they do that just 2 or 3 times, that's 14 to 21 points and with our defense that's usually enough to win.
Problem is, our O-Line sometimes can't hold back the pass rush for that long, our WR's drop too many passes, don't always get the PI's and Joe sometimes misses. And the opposing defenses have caught on and now keep 2 or even 3 safeties back to cover the deep routes making it more difficult for our WR to get open.
Bottom line: Cam's offense has been solved by the Jags, Seahawks and Chargers. Use Man to Man press coverage on our WR, leave safeties deep (Cover 2 or Cover 3) and rely on 4 or 5 man rushes because our O-line is not that good. And watch Flacco get hung out to dry by Cam who stubbornly and foolishly refuses to ADJUST.

[ghost1986]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326733534' post='953449']
Yeah right. How many games did we watch this weekend with TEs and WRs making spectacular plays? How many drops did our guys have?

I watch Jimmy Graham go after balls and bring them down. I saw Ed get a ball thrown right to him and dropped it.

I also saw Nicks go get balls in traffic. I also saw a ball thrown to Torrey down the sideline that was dropped.
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Jimmy Graham I'm with you on, but you lost me at Nicks. The Packers had no Defense. They were a joke.

[JO_75]

Well according to this article from Fox Sports, the Defense bailed out Joe again.

[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Baltimore-Ravens-Joe-Flacco-bailed-out-by-defense-against-Houston-Texans-011512"]http://msn.foxsports...n-Texans-011512[/url]

I love how it's all on the QB, and that the offensive line and even the OC get no heat what so ever, yet it's always the QB. Oh that's right, Brady and Rodgers protect themselves and they are their own offensive coordinator. I don't understand the whole bailing out thing, I mean Football is a TEAM sport, Joe can't do it all. Joe doesn't play Defense, Joe doesn't have to stop Arian Foster.

Plus the thing that really gets me is that the media flip flops like crazy. If Rice isn't getting the carries then it's the Ravens have to give the ball to Rice more. If Rice is getting the carries the problem isn't Joe and Joe doesn't have a great game then the problem becomes Joe.

I'm really starting to believe that these so called analysts only watch the highlights and nothing more and ignore the rest of the game and don't understand the real issue. Our issue yesterday was that our offensive line couldn't block if their life depended on it, and Cam once again almost cost us the game.

[The Black Bird]

They just showed on NFL network Harbaugh press conference today that Joe had a 97 passer rating yesterday. Joe will get it done for us.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1326743466' post='953848']
Jimmy Graham I'm with you on, but you lost me at Nicks. The Packers had no Defense. They were a joke.
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Nicks still made some fantastic plays though. I really think Torrey can develop into a WR that makes plays like Nicks but he's not there yet.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='The Black Bird' timestamp='1326752339' post='954188']
They just showed on NFL network Harbaugh press conference today that Joe had a 97 passer rating yesterday. Joe will get it done for us.
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Yeah, we all knew that. All of the network analysts know it too. And I would hope they're smart enough to read that 6 of those passes were dropped and he was sacked 5 times. But apparently it's all his fault anyway, because good quarterbacks teleport the balls to their receivers' hands and hogtie the feet of the D-linemen so they can't get pressure on them or their soggy offensive lines.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1326743466' post='953848']
Jimmy Graham I'm with you on, but you lost me at Nicks. The Packers had no Defense. They were a joke.
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Nicks still made some insane grabs though, like the TD in the endzone when he landed backwards into two defenders arms and still held on. He has [b]amazing[/b] hands. Outside of Boldin, who's also been drop happy, our receivers don't make spectacular catches like that.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326752745' post='954196']

Nicks still made some insane grabs though, like the TD in the endzone when he landed backwards into two defenders arms and still held on. He has [b]amazing[/b] hands. Outside of Boldin, who's also been drop happy, [b]our receivers don't make spectacular catches like that.[/b]
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Agreed. It was driving me crazy watching other playoff games this weekend. The amount of times WRs and TEs were gettting wide open or making spectacular grabs (multiple in a game), left me wanting a lot more out of our unit.

[Bltravens]

Our pass game is so doo doo at times between the scheme, the execution, and the on top of that the drops. Just looks so JV too often.

[gabefergy]

I was listening to ESPN football podcast and they were talking about how bad Cam's playcalling was, and the only reason the Ravens could move the ball at all was because Flacco made some spectacular throws. The WR's were [b][i]never[/i][/b] open, and it basically forced Joe to force throws into tiny windows to complete passes. I dont understand how all Cam can do is send the WRs on 9 routes and expect them to just blow past defenders. He needs to get more creative and do it in a hurry. We have some talent at WR, but Cam cant design plays to get them open SMH!!!

[ghost1986]

I'm not saying Nicks doesn't have great hands. I'm just saying if that was our Defense...not happening. Even the announcer said it was a great play but that it also showed how suspect the Packers DB's were.

[Sandbox]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1326753416' post='954216']
I was listening to ESPN football podcast and they were talking about how bad Cam's playcalling was, and the only reason the Ravens could move the ball at all was because Flacco made some spectacular throws. The WR's were [b][i]never[/i][/b] open, and it basically forced Joe to force throws into tiny windows to complete passes. I dont understand how all Cam can do is send the WRs on 9 routes and expect them to just blow past defenders. He needs to get more creative and do it in a hurry. We have some talent at WR, but Cam cant design plays to get them open SMH!!!
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Can you post a link?

[RavenDefense]

I Mean , Its Eitheir Bust Or Boom Season For Flacco , PERSONALLY , I Dont Think Joe Is The Long Term Solution !

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RavenDefense' timestamp='1326759416' post='954401']
I Mean , Its Eitheir Bust Or Boom Season For Flacco , PERSONALLY , I Dont Think Joe Is The Long Term Solution !
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Well, you will be sorely disappointed for the next 8-10 years then.

[Cville-Raven]

Anyone else see Deion Sanders complete love affair with Tom Brady today (never really liked that guy anyway)

[RavenDefense]

8-10 Years Wth , Do You Really Think He'll Last Bro , Hes Just Another Kyle Boller Waiting To Happen , A Top Backup Sumwhere , IN This PASS HAPPY LEAGUE ! ((( AND YOUR GOING 14-32 201 Yds 1Td 1Int ))) Clearly PATHETIC . ???? [quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326761292' post='954466']
Well, you will be sorely disappointed for the next 8-10 years then.
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[1/28/01]

[quote name='RavenDefense' timestamp='1326762877' post='954498']
8-10 Years Wth , Do You Really Think He'll Last Bro , Hes Just Another Kyle Boller Waiting To Happen , A Top Backup Sumwhere , IN This PASS HAPPY LEAGUE ! ((( AND YOUR GOING 14-32 201 Yds 1Td 1Int ))) Clearly PATHETIC . ????
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What the hell game are you even referring to?

[JoeCool#5]

The Q catch was very impressive, even the one that wasnt challenged. Q told Flacco before the game, if you see me one on one, just throw it. Thats exactly what Joe did. Q is a baller when it comes to 1 on 1.

Lee Evans catch was AMAZING, "but" it was a free play. Even if he didnt make the catch, the defense was drawn offsides for a new set of downs.

Yeah there was a couple great catches. But to say Joe was Bailed out is a bit much.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326763181' post='954506']
What the hell game are you even referring to?
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Mario Manningham and Victor Cruz combined for 14 catches and 201 yards and a TD against the Pack yesterday. But that doesn't have anything to do with Flacco...

[PeRK82]

[quote name='ravens2daplayoffs' timestamp='1326732709' post='953411']
I know... I know... another thread on the media bias against Joe. You're probably all tired of it, but this is probably the stupidest thing I've heard in a while. I keep seeing people on EPSN, NFL.com, NFL Network and even the Baltimore Sun saying "The recievers bailed Joe Flacco out today." Elliot Harrison said, "Joe Flacco had another so-so game against Houston. He was bailed out by two great catches -- thank you, [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/anquanboldin/profile?id=BOL283010"]Anquan Boldin[/url] and [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/leeevans/profile?id=EVA454901"]Lee Evans[/url] -- and a defense that forced four turnovers. The two touchdown passes were nice, but if you take out the Boldin and Evans grabs, you're looking at a Flacco line of 12-for-25 for 118 yards."
I really don't understand how people can pretend to know what they are talking about when they really don't. If you watched the game wouldn't you see the obvious drops the recievers had all day long? Do people watch the games or just the highlights and then decide to bash Joe?
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Agreed, anyone outside of Maryland just jumps on this magical bandwagon that they have been milking since Flacco's Rookie yr, NEWS FLASH, Start watching Flacco and the RAVENS before you start saying Flacco is bad. Anyone that watches the games would put the blame on FLACCO last.

Man im RAGING, so Freaking sick of this Flacco hate, its unreal.

[PeRK82]

Did anyone else notice how all the SPORTS MEDIA were talking about the PACKERS and how their WRers dropping the balls,lololol, mean while not a peep on the dropped balls from our WRers. lol, UNREAL.

Almost speechless, ALMOST. LOL

[D-Rey]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1326764219' post='954530']



Agreed, anyone outside of Maryland just jumps on this magical bandwagon that they have been milking since Flacco's Rookie yr, NEWS FLASH, Start watching Flacco and the RAVENS before you start saying Flacco is bad. Anyone that watches the games would put the blame on FLACCO last.

Man im RAGING, so Freaking sick of this Flacco hate, its unreal.
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Don't forget us fans outside of Maryland lol.