I'm Glad For Once People Aren't Blaming Joe

[shawn ny]

After yesterdays offensive debacle. Receivers dropping many easy passes and the offensive line looking quite porous. With all of the analysts calling joe the x factor blah blah time for joe to step up...when in fact the rest of the offense let joe down. Am i the only one who feels that way?

[Ravenslifer]

No, pretty much everyone on the NFL Network shredded Joe. Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin had poor things to say about him, and Steve Mariucci said nothing. Most people who aren't Ravens fans and probably didn't watch the game are shredding him. This, sadly, will probably be Joe the rest of his career. We'll keep winning, but it will never be about him - he will never get any respect. I wasn't surprised by Deion, but I was shocked that a receiver like Michael Irvin could look at those drops and blame Joe for "not putting the ball in the right spot".

[Alexir]

Their defensive line was hungrier than our offensive line, thats for sure. The pass rush was coming at him a lot but there were still plays that he had to make that he didn't partially because of the drops but there were some badly timed throws as well. But that goes for every phase really. Special teams played great, but they gave up huge field position on the initial kick off. The Defense only gave up 1 TD, but they dropped 3 ints and were absent on the pass rush.

Does Joe need to step up though? Yes he does, one of my favorite 2 games of his was @Chiefs last postseason and @ Pitt this season. If he channels those games into the AFCCG and attacks the whole field, he will win this game for us.

[meckman71]

On the plus side for Joe is he does not make alot of bad reads. He does make some bad throws from time to time but he is usually makeing the RIGHT throw. This week our offense did not make alot of plays but they did not make alot of mistakes either in turnovers or penalties. DId we have any penalties sunday?

[Alexir]

Not a single penalty.

[ratedr]

[quote name='meckman71' timestamp='1326732899' post='953419']
On the plus side for Joe is he does not make alot of bad reads. He does make some bad throws from time to time but he is usually makeing the RIGHT throw. This week our offense did not make alot of plays but they did not make alot of mistakes either in turnovers or penalties. DId we have any penalties sunday?
[/quote]No turnovers, no penalties.

[flynismo]

[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Baltimore-Ravens-Joe-Flacco-bailed-out-by-defense-against-Houston-Texans-011512"]http://msn.foxsports...n-Texans-011512[/url]

This [i]<woman>[/i] slams Joe left and right

[Ravenslifer]

Eric Mangini just got in one last point - the last time Joe faced New England he had a QB rating of 120. I don't see the Patriots secondary having anyone who can blanket Torrey like JJ, and I don't see them with the pass rushers to hit us like Houston. And at least Skip Bayless has more sense than Deion Sanders - he knew Joe played a very good game yesterday, otherwise he would have shredded him on air. But I still see way more people looking at the score board, Joe's completion percentage, and blaming him.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326733272' post='953435']
[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Baltimore-Ravens-Joe-Flacco-bailed-out-by-defense-against-Houston-Texans-011512"]http://msn.foxsports...n-Texans-011512[/url]

This [i]<woman> [/i]slams Joe left and right
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At least a lot of the posters below seem to have watched the game. And all of the Steeler fans I know who hated on Joe the last 3 years don't anymore. They know what he can do.

[edsopafan]

[quote name='shawn ny' timestamp='1326732172' post='953388']
After yesterdays offensive debacle. Receivers dropping many easy passes and the offensive line looking quite porous. With all of the analysts calling joe the x factor blah blah time for joe to step up...when in fact the rest of the offense let joe down. Am i the only one who feels that way?
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Joe is not the issue.
The criteria for a Offensive Coordinator.
1. To plan receviver routes and to have them skilled in moving back to QB where pressure exists.
2. Offensive Line assignnments based on defensive line skills.
3. QB growth in handling game from the feild
4. Adjustments in game plan based on the defensive plan that require flexibility.
5. Not being stubborn and rigid.

Cam is a very good person and decent human being. Bu t he is not a Offensive Coordinator

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326733272' post='953435']
[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Baltimore-Ravens-Joe-Flacco-bailed-out-by-defense-against-Houston-Texans-011512"]http://msn.foxsports...n-Texans-011512[/url]

This [i]<woman> [/i]slams Joe left and right
[/quote]

That literally may be the one of the worst sports articles I've read. Not a single mention of the TDs he threw or the drops.

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326735210' post='953531']

That literally may be the one of the worst sports articles I've read. Not a single mention of the TDs he threw or the drops.
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It's terrible. Even worse than her completely uninformed opinion is just the obnoxious condescending tone which she directs toward Flacco. She doesn't even try to hide her contempt for him.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Crabcakes&Football' timestamp='1326735640' post='953549']
It's terrible. Even worse than her completely uninformed opinion is just the obnoxious condescending tone which she directs toward Flacco. She doesn't even try to hide her contempt for him.
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It's a joke. The top two videos when you put her name in on YouTube alone tell you what kind of journalist she is.

[Moderator 2]

NFLN annoyed me so bad last night I turned it off. What doe he have to do? Hopefully like Eli Manning is now starting to get respect so will Joe in time after a Super Bowl win.

[bpytnjr58]

I guess if Joe could block,pass and catch all by himself he would be that 'Elite" Qb...it is hard to read the field when you are covering up for another sack.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326736330' post='953581']

It's a joke. The top two videos when you put her name in on YouTube alone tell you what kind of journalist she is.
[/quote]

Thanks for that. Yep Jen, you can defend Tebow for bringing God into the conversation. I fully support him wearing his heart and his religion on his sleeve. That doesn't mean I don't get sick of media vultures like you always bringing it up. And I'm shocked that a good Christian woman's version of forgive and forget is to drop F-bombs about professional sports teams. That makes me feel better - once again, the only people bashing Flacco are the uninformed.

[Fricknmaniac]

Honestly, I don't think anyone should blame anyone on the Ravens for anything.

That game yesterday is the sort of game you see between two great defenses and two middle of the road offenses.

Both offenses looked decent in the first half, Foster got a lot of yardage, and the Ravens offense capitalized on turnovers.

Foster had 95 rushing yards in the first half, but was contained quite well in the 2nd half (the Texans didn't go all out passing until their 2nd to last drive.) And even Andre Johnson only had about 50 yards receiving with 10 minutes to go in the 4th quarter.

I just look at the all the worry and horror about the offensive line not blocking well and the defensive line not getting pressure on Yates and it seems silly to me. The Texans are a great defense, why can't it just be they played great instead of the Ravens playing terrible? And the Texans have the #2 rushing attack in the NFL and a rookie QB, isn't it significantly more important to not focus on rushing the passer, but instead set the edge to prevent big runs?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326738142' post='953645']once again, the only people bashing Flacco are the uninformed.
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I prefer to call them idiots.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326739433' post='953679']


I prefer to call them idiots.
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Oh I prefer them a lot of things that would get my warn status up. I am happy though that the First Take Crew avoided discussing us at all today. I just wish Sizzle wasn't going to be on the show tomorrow. If he'd bring up the points like Joe's 2 TDs, the 5 dropped passes, and the 5 sacks Joe took, I'd be more comfortable. But Sizzle isn't a stats guy, he'll just say "There's getting it done and there's not getting it done." If I was on the show, I really would shred Bayless. He'd blame Joe for his completion percentage, then I'd bring up all the clips of where he blamed everyone else for Tim Tebow's. I'd bring up all the points he made about Tim Tebow. Everything he said about Tebow applies to Joe, both have great defenses that are always a big part of why they win games, both are working with new receivers that have dropped a lot of balls. But Joe is the one who faced 12 top 10 passing defenses and went 9-2. Joe is the one being hit like a ragdoll and comes up with his best postseason performance ever. Joe is the one everybody doubts, yet he's moving on - Tim Tebow couldn't even score 20 points on the Patriots last-ranked defense.

[True]

When Joe made those comments last week during his press conference he said it in a joking/sarcastic manner, but on paper his words are lost in context. His comments to the media was seen as an attack on them and they respond with a backlash. He's really in a no win situation tbh..

Just have to keep winning..

[Gordo52]

Most horrible thing i have ever read. I wish I could see her opinion about week 9 when Joe led us to victory against the steelers (probably her team) that article is why women don't really get much respect when they write about football. Just look at Ashley fox on ESPN. Smh

[Militant X 1]

[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/baltimore-ravens/67065"]Ravens[/url] quarterback [url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/joe-flacco/535193"]Joe Flacco[/url] had wanted to be regarded as a grown-[profanity deleted] man, like Brady and Rodgers. [u][i][b]What he has to settle for is being the luckiest SOB in football, getting partial credit for what is actually the big-boy work of his defensive teammates[/b][/i][/u]. The Ravens defense yet again did all the heavy lifting in a 20-13 victory against the [url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/houston-texans/67071"]Houston Texans[/url] in the divisional round and has them going to the AFC Championship Game in Foxboro. If his aspirations were undeterred by this, Flacco at least had the good sense not to say so. [u][i][b]He wisely had dropped his whine [/b][/i][/u]about "I'm sure if we win, I'll have nothing to do with why we won, not according to you guys" from last week.

^ wow!

flacco is the luckiest sob and he dropped his "whine" from last week? flacco didn't whine...he stated the obvious..that being that the media doesn't give him his respect for wins and blames him solely for losses. and unknowingly to you ma'am, your lil' article here validated his point. smh!

~Mili

[JO_75]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1326744679' post='953881']
[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/baltimore-ravens/67065"]Ravens[/url] quarterback [url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/joe-flacco/535193"]Joe Flacco[/url] had wanted to be regarded as a grown-[profanity deleted] man, like Brady and Rodgers. [u][i][b]What he has to settle for is being the luckiest SOB in football, getting partial credit for what is actually the big-boy work of his defensive teammates[/b][/i][/u]. The Ravens defense yet again did all the heavy lifting in a 20-13 victory against the [url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/houston-texans/67071"]Houston Texans[/url] in the divisional round and has them going to the AFC Championship Game in Foxboro. If his aspirations were undeterred by this, Flacco at least had the good sense not to say so. [u][i][b]He wisely had dropped his whine [/b][/i][/u]about "I'm sure if we win, I'll have nothing to do with why we won, not according to you guys" from last week.

^ wow!

flacco is the luckiest sob and he dropped his "whine" from last week? flacco didn't whine...he stated the obvious..that being that the media doesn't give him his respect for wins and blames him solely for losses. and unknowingly to you ma'am, your lil' article here validated his point. smh!

~Mili
[/quote]

In one of the comments, someone points out she writes for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram which means that her rant about Joe is useless as she is just showing hate because we beat the Texans.

[chesapeakeaviator]

I've come across her before. She is, indeed, a complete idiot. She's the Preston of the Lone-Star State and as far as I know, no one down there respects her one iota.

[JoeCool#5]

Ravens got beat in the trenches on BOTH sides of the ball.

OLine was getting beat with 5 on 3. Texans pass rushers were in the backfield for most of the day.

DLine was getting pushed around. Why in the heck didnt Foster have 40 carries is beyond me. He had nearly 100 yards by halftime.

As for Joe, he did what was needed. Wasnt pretty, but he didnt turn the ball over and they scored when they had to. Yeah converting on short yardage would have been great. (3rd & 4th and goal, 3rd and inches) BUT the OL was overmatched.

[PeRK82]

Flacco couldnt have done any better considering what he had to deal with, O line forgot to come back from the bye, WRers not doing what they get paid to do. Good thing they started catching balls late in the game.

He was Sacked 5 or 6 times and was pressured 9 out of 10 times. The Run game was non-existent, R.Williams was getting better yardage. Hoping our Game plan isnt to Run Rice into the ground, we need to play to the weakness of the pats. We dont have to play their game, throwing it 100 times. We just need to score no matter what, doesnt matter if it comes from the Defense, S.Teams, Rice or Flaccos arm. Just Score and DONT LET OFF.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1326758062' post='954354']

In one of the comments, someone points out she writes for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram which means that her rant about Joe is useless as she is just showing hate because we beat the Texans.
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See, there's a reason for everything. It all makes sense now. Just wonder why Irvin threw Flacco under the bus when it's clear the receivers had a hard time holding on to his passes.

[jaege]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1326739239' post='953673']
Honestly, I don't think anyone should blame anyone on the Ravens for anything.

That game yesterday is the sort of game you see between two great defenses and two middle of the road offenses.

Both offenses looked decent in the first half, Foster got a lot of yardage, and the Ravens offense capitalized on turnovers.

Foster had 95 rushing yards in the first half, but was contained quite well in the 2nd half (the Texans didn't go all out passing until their 2nd to last drive.) And even Andre Johnson only had about 50 yards receiving with 10 minutes to go in the 4th quarter.

I just look at the all the worry and horror about the offensive line not blocking well and the defensive line not getting pressure on Yates and it seems silly to me. The Texans are a great defense, why can't it just be they played great instead of the Ravens playing terrible? And the Texans have the #2 rushing attack in the NFL and a rookie QB, isn't it significantly more important to not focus on rushing the passer, but instead set the edge to prevent big runs?
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That is my opinion exactly. The Ravens did play poorly, the Texans just played all out.

[EddyG]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326735210' post='953531']

That literally may be the one of the worst sports articles I've read. Not a single mention of the TDs he threw or the drops.
[/quote]

My God, that article was so bad I felt compelled to share my opinion with her:

"[color=#333333]"You guys are right, Jen unfortunately has every right to express her opinion, regardless of how wrong it may be or how foolish she may sound. Likewise, I too am entitled to share an opinion. [/color]

[color=#333333]That being said, did you ev[/color][color=#333333]en watch the game, Jen? As much as I'd like to believe you were in the kitchen (where you belong, zing!) cooking Hors d'oeuvres while the men watched the game, I don't think that's the case, unfortunately. You write, “Thanks to Flacco, I respect this Ravens defense even more than before I landed in Baltimore”, which would lead me to believe you were actually in Baltimore for the game, but after reading your “article” I can't possibly fathom how you could have seen the game and still gone on to write such a turrible [SIC] article. Unless you purposely wrote this garbage in an effort to 'stir the pot', as some of your defenders have previously alluded do, in which case I applaud you. Sadly, I don't think that's the case - I think you actually believe what you wrote, which is far worse.

You do realize that Flacco posted over a 97 passer rating for the game, despite his receivers dropping 5 balls? Despite the offensive line having their worst outing of the season, evidenced by the fact that the Ravens rushed for less than 90 yards, Flacco was sacked for a season high 5 times, and was under constant pressure every time he dropped back to pass? If you'd actually watched the game you would realize that the Texans dominated the LOS all game (Hint: that's an acronym for Line of Scrimmage). I'd be bitter too if a local team of mine that has a tremendous defense with amazing potential was better in every statistic except the final score (and turnovers), but c'mon!

I would apologize for this comments harshness, but after reading that Flacco is 'the luckiest SOB in football', I just couldn't sugarcoat it for you, sorry tuts. Do you know Flacco is in the top-20 for highest career quarterback rating? Who am I kidding, of course you don't.. you write for Fox. This is honestly one of the worst articles I've ever read, and I've read a lot of Mike Preston articles. "[/color]