Ravens Heavy Underdogs According To The Spread. Also, Pats Forum Is Crazy!

[ratedr]

[quote name='ball hawkin 20' timestamp='1326732518' post='953402']
Just saying, everyone needs to drop the whole beating them in the playoffs in 2009...There a whole new different team, no point in bringing it up.
[/quote]It does matter, though, in terms of mentality. The Ravens will not br afraid of the Pats at all.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ball hawkin 20' timestamp='1326732518' post='953402']
Just saying, everyone needs to drop the whole beating them in the playoffs in 2009...There a whole new different team, no point in bringing it up.
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Its just to show we can go to Foxborough in the playoffs and win a game. 2009 2009 2009 2009 2009

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1326733348' post='953439']
That seems to be what Pats fans are pointing at. That their offense personell is much different and they didnt have Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez in '09 (still had Randy Moss though..).

But they seem to forget our secondary consisted of Domonqiue Foxworth and [b]FRANK WALKER [/b]that year! Do they think the Ravens D didn't get any better either??

Ladarius Webb has yet to give up a TD this season. The Texans targeted Webb 7 times in pass coverage and he gave up 1 pass for 19 yards and had 2 picks...

Cary Williams an undrafted player making his first start this season has completely outplayed the Pats 1st round pick and Pro Bowl corner back from last year in Devin McCourty. Season stats: 55 passes in 110 attempts for 773 yards and four touchdowns and 66 passes in 110 attempts for 1,115 yards and six touchdowns. The Pats are using Julian Edelman a WR on defense!! Boldin and Smith are going to abuse their corners.
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Now you add in Jimmy Smith a first round pick with top 10 talent who sparingly playing has done well in coverage. Giving you a solid trio of guys to use in nickel packages when the Pats try to spread out defenses and create mismatches. The one on one matchups aren't as lopsided as Pats fans believe. They have excellent offensive personell but the Ravens counter that with defense. They are the last top 5 pass defense left for a reason...
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Every time I see that name I shudder. Good for a holding and a P.I. call once a game.

[True]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326733769' post='953458']

This is a good point. Don't get me wrong, I think our personnel actually matches up very will against the Pats.
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What's even better is the QB debate where everyone is holding onto the ELITE QB vs. Average Joe. Is Tom Brady better than Joe Flacco? Yeah he is, but guess what Joe isn't playing against Brady, he's playing against the NE defense...

Joe just played the 3rd ranked pass defense in the league and put up solid numbers (I'll take 2 TDs with no picks over geting 300 yards) making him 10-2 against Top 10 ranked defenses on the year. The Texans respected the Ravens deep threat ability so much that they put a Pro Bowl cornerback, Johnathan Joesph, on our rookie WR Torrey Smith to take that away. If you double cover Torrey to elimnate the deep threat it opens up things for the other players and guys like Boldin, Rice, and Dickson and the Ravens can create their own mismatches.

If Joe looked "average" against the Texans top 5 defense (3rd against the pass) I wonder how he'll do against the 31st ranked pass and total defense...

[PuRock]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1326734696' post='953510']
What's even better is the QB debate where everyone is holding onto the ELITE QB vs. Average Joe. Is Tom Brady better than Joe Flacco? Yeah he is, but guess what Joe isn't playing against Brady, he's playing against the NE defense...

Joe just played the 3rd ranked pass defense in the league and put up solid numbers (I'll take 2 TDs with no picks over geting 300 yards) making him 10-2 against Top 10 ranked defenses on the year. The Texans respected the Ravens deep threat ability so much that they put a Pro Bowl cornerback, Johnathan Joesph, on our rookie WR Torrey Smith to take that away. If you double cover Torrey to elimnate the deep threat it opens up things for the other players and guys like Boldin, Rice, and Dickson and the Ravens can create their own mismatches.

If Joe looked "average" against the Texans top 5 defense (3rd against the pass) I wonder how he'll do against the 31st ranked pass and total defense...
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Yea I have no doubt Joe and our offense will be able to move the ball. NE lacks those edge rushers. They have Wilfork who is more a force in the run game. We have so many aspects on offense to be successful. Ofcourse that all comes down to the O-Line play. Yesterday the O-Line was horrendous. But that was against a top D-Line.

[callahan09]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1326734696' post='953510']
What's even better is the QB debate where everyone is holding onto the ELITE QB vs. Average Joe. Is Tom Brady better than Joe Flacco? Yeah he is, but guess what Joe isn't playing against Brady, he's playing against the NE defense...

Joe just played the 3rd ranked pass defense in the league and put up solid numbers (I'll take 2 TDs with no picks over geting 300 yards) making him 10-2 against Top 10 ranked defenses on the year. The Texans respected the Ravens deep threat ability so much that they put a Pro Bowl cornerback, Johnathan Joesph, on our rookie WR Torrey Smith to take that away. If you double cover Torrey to elimnate the deep threat it opens up things for the other players and guys like Boldin, Rice, and Dickson and the Ravens can create their own mismatches.

If Joe looked "average" against the Texans top 5 defense (3rd against the pass) I wonder how he'll do against the 31st ranked pass and total defense...
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The Texans defense allowed an opposing QB rating of just 65.2 leading into yesterday's game (including all 16 regular season games and the wild card playoff game against Andy Dalton).

In yesterday's game, Joe Flacco put up a 97.1 against that defense!

And consider that he had no running game support (2.8 yards per carry!), no protection, and receivers dropping balls, and I would say that you can only consider what he did in that game to be impressive. What more could he have done?

Everybody's precious elite Aaron Rodgers put up worse numbers against a worse defense facing less adversity (his running game contributed 5.1 yards per carry, not counting Rodgers' own scrambles, and he was well protected on the vast majority of his 50+ drop-backs, and Joe Flacco had 5 of 27 passes counted as "drops", that's 18.5% of his passes, while Aaron Rodgers had 8 of 46 passes dropped, that's a lower 17.4% of his passes).

Leading into yesterday's game (including all 16 regular season games and the wild card postseason game against Matt Ryan) the Giants allowed an opposing QB rating of 82.3. Aaron Rodgers put up just a 78.5 against that defense!

Flacco's 97.1 / Houston's 65.2 means Flacco performed at 149% of the average against the defense he had to face.
Rodger's 78.5 / New York's 82.3 means Rodgers performed at 95% of the average against the defense he had to face.

Considering all of the factors, Flacco had to play against a much more difficult defense, facing more adversity from his surrounding players not performing up to par, and he wound up putting up a much better statistical performance than Rodgers.

That's why things like Deion Sanders saying Joe Flacco's performance was "dismal" yesterday kind of piss me off. Flacco did everything he could against that defense. He put in a professional, efficient performance given limited tools, limited support, against an incredible defense. Give the man some credit!

[IMissMattStover]

I am very tired of Deion spewing rediculous nonsense about teams when, judging by his comments, it seems like he hasnt even seen any of the game or tape.

[bdravens]

I can say with confidence that if we pressure Diva like we did Yates (none), we will get killed. It will be a repeat of the SD game. Defense wins championships, and the Patriots have no defense. If ours shows up, i can say with confidence that we will win.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='IMissMattStover' timestamp='1326742029' post='953790']
I am very tired of Deion spewing rediculous nonsense about teams when, judging by his comments, it seems like he hasnt even seen any of the game or tape.
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Yeah he's out of control, he just doesn't like Flacco. I think there are a decent amount of people who have just decided that they don't like him. Everything he does is skewed negatively. If he plays average or slightly above average, it's dismal. If he plays well, it's average. God forbid he has a bad game, then it's like the worst performance in the history of football.

[eandb17]

I think I speak for all of us when I say that we play better as the underdogs

[IMissMattStover]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326742790' post='953815']

Yeah he's out of control, he just doesn't like Flacco. [b]I think there are a decent amount of people who have just decided that they don't like him. Everything he does is skewed negatively. If he plays average or slightly above average, it's dismal. If he plays well, it's average. God forbid he has a bad game, then it's like the worst performance in the history of football.[/b]
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Whats funny is you could be talking about Flacco OR Tebow.

[bdravens]

[quote name='IMissMattStover' timestamp='1326742904' post='953821']


Whats funny is you could be talking about Flacco OR Tebow.
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You cannot be comparing them. Flacco has all the tools in the world to move up and down the field, but is handcuffed by our offensive gameplan/coordinator. Tebow has very limited capabilities. What everyone is saying that Flacco can have an efficient game (97.1 passer rating) and still get killed by the media, while Tebow has <50% completion almost every game. Any negativity toward him is based off of being tired of hearing his name as opposed to his awful performance week after week.

[IMissMattStover]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1326743168' post='953832']
You cannot be comparing them. Flacco has all the tools in the world to move up and down the field, but is handcuffed by our offensive gameplan/coordinator. Tebow has very limited capabilities. What everyone is saying that Flacco can have an efficient game (97.1 passer rating) and still get killed by the media, while Tebow has <50% completion almost every game. Any negativity toward him is based off of being tired of hearing his name as opposed to his awful performance week after week.
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Look at the part I bolded. I simply meant that the comments and arguments sounded like the same thing people are saying about Tebow. And for the record, Tebow has UNlimited capabilities. As for hearing his name, get used to it and get over it. If it was Joe getting the praise none of you would be complaining so pathetically.

[Sir Spooky]

I was reading some of the posts and this made me lol

2 things

[b]1. That scum #31 will play...I hate him[/b]

2. Media will only mention what the birds did last time in 2010 but wont mention Welker was injured...BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1326739768' post='953698']

The Texans defense allowed an opposing QB rating of just 65.2 leading into yesterday's game (including all 16 regular season games and the wild card playoff game against Andy Dalton).

In yesterday's game, Joe Flacco put up a 97.1 against that defense!

And consider that he had no running game support (2.8 yards per carry!), no protection, and receivers dropping balls, and I would say that you can only consider what he did in that game to be impressive. What more could he have done?

Everybody's precious elite Aaron Rodgers put up worse numbers against a worse defense facing less adversity (his running game contributed 5.1 yards per carry, not counting Rodgers' own scrambles, and he was well protected on the vast majority of his 50+ drop-backs, and Joe Flacco had 5 of 27 passes counted as "drops", that's 18.5% of his passes, while Aaron Rodgers had 8 of 46 passes dropped, that's a lower 17.4% of his passes).

Leading into yesterday's game (including all 16 regular season games and the wild card postseason game against Matt Ryan) the Giants allowed an opposing QB rating of 82.3. Aaron Rodgers put up just a 78.5 against that defense!

Flacco's 97.1 / Houston's 65.2 means Flacco performed at 149% of the average against the defense he had to face.
Rodger's 78.5 / New York's 82.3 means Rodgers performed at 95% of the average against the defense he had to face.

Considering all of the factors, Flacco had to play against a much more difficult defense, facing more adversity from his surrounding players not performing up to par, and he wound up putting up a much better statistical performance than Rodgers.

That's why things like Deion Sanders saying Joe Flacco's performance was "dismal" yesterday kind of piss me off. Flacco did everything he could against that defense. He put in a professional, efficient performance given limited tools, limited support, against an incredible defense. Give the man some credit!
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Great post!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1326739768' post='953698']
The Texans defense allowed an opposing QB rating of just 65.2 leading into yesterday's game (including all 16 regular season games and the wild card playoff game against Andy Dalton).

In yesterday's game, Joe Flacco put up a 97.1 against that defense!

And consider that he had no running game support (2.8 yards per carry!), no protection, and receivers dropping balls, and I would say that you can only consider what he did in that game to be impressive. What more could he have done?

Everybody's precious elite Aaron Rodgers put up worse numbers against a worse defense facing less adversity (his running game contributed 5.1 yards per carry, not counting Rodgers' own scrambles, and he was well protected on the vast majority of his 50+ drop-backs, and Joe Flacco had 5 of 27 passes counted as "drops", that's 18.5% of his passes, while Aaron Rodgers had 8 of 46 passes dropped, that's a lower 17.4% of his passes).

Leading into yesterday's game (including all 16 regular season games and the wild card postseason game against Matt Ryan) the Giants allowed an opposing QB rating of 82.3. Aaron Rodgers put up just a 78.5 against that defense!

Flacco's 97.1 / Houston's 65.2 means Flacco performed at 149% of the average against the defense he had to face.
Rodger's 78.5 / New York's 82.3 means Rodgers performed at 95% of the average against the defense he had to face.

Considering all of the factors, Flacco had to play against a much more difficult defense, facing more adversity from his surrounding players not performing up to par, and he wound up putting up a much better statistical performance than Rodgers.

That's why things like Deion Sanders saying Joe Flacco's performance was "dismal" yesterday kind of piss me off. Flacco did everything he could against that defense. He put in a professional, efficient performance given limited tools, limited support, against an incredible defense. Give the man some credit!
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Shh, man, don't you know actually watching the game and understanding that we were going against one of the best defenses in the league doesn't matter, that Aaron Rodgers would have thrown 8 TDs in the first half alone? I mean look how easily he handled the Giants' 29th ranked defense last night ... oh wait.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Michael' timestamp='1326697987' post='952898']

I disagree to a certain extent. We may have depth, but our secondary isn't big enough to handle NE TE's. We saw what the big boys out in San Diego did to us. Brady is only 3 times better.
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What is interesting however is that Floyd and Jackson are legit deep threats at WR. Gronkowski is not fast at all, he's just really effective at creating separation with his body and hands (which is a great skill) but Gronkowski isn't going to blow past anyone in man coverage just straight up field. Pagano is going to have to do a much better job of adjusting his coverages if Gronkowski and Hernandez start shredding us early, unlike what he did in San Diego.

[T3hRaven]

I hope that Harbs and friends are heavily analyzing that Patriot-Steeler game from earlier in the season. The Steeler defense is older, slower, and weaker on the back-end by far than the Raven defense, and they still pulled off a win and held Brady to only 17 points. The Giants defense held them to 20 and even the Cowboys defense held them to 20. If the offense comes out with their head in the game, I think they can put up 30 points on the Pats defense. If the defense can hold Brady below 24 I think we can win.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='IMissMattStover' timestamp='1326742904' post='953821']

Whats funny is you could be talking about Flacco OR Tebow. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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Tebow? The guy completed 53 percent of his passes or less in 13 of 14 starts this season, Minnesota he was 10/15. That's it, and they're like dead last in the league against the pass. He only completed 47 percent of his passes against the Steelers, the only reason they won was because Ben was obviously too hurt to play. There is no way Tebow belongs in the same category as Flacco, IMO.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326746130' post='953944']

Tebow? The guy completed 53 percent of his passes or less in 13 of 14 starts this season, Minnesota he was 10/15. That's it, and they're like dead last in the league against the pass. He only completed 47 percent of his passes against the Steelers, [b]the only reason they won was because Ben was obviously too hurt to play[/b]. There is no way Tebow belongs in the same category as Flacco, IMO.
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That and no Hampton, No Briesel, No Mendenhall, No Clark, No Pouncey. They were just beat up come the playoffs and had to go on the road.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326746130' post='953944']


Tebow? The guy completed 53 percent of his passes or less in 13 of 14 starts this season, Minnesota he was 10/15. That's it, and they're like dead last in the league against the pass. He only completed 47 percent of his passes against the Steelers, the only reason they won was because Ben was obviously too hurt to play. There is no way Tebow belongs in the same category as Flacco, IMO.
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Lol, he was only comparing the criticism both Qbs recieve! Not comparing there skill lvl.

[IMissMattStover]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326746130' post='953944']

Tebow? The guy completed 53 percent of his passes or less in 13 of 14 starts this season, Minnesota he was 10/15. That's it, and they're like dead last in the league against the pass. He only completed 47 percent of his passes against the Steelers, the only reason they won was because Ben was obviously too hurt to play. There is no way Tebow belongs in the same category as Flacco, IMO.
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You people are so frustating. Look at the part I bolded. I meant that the comments about Flacco were similar ones to those being made about Tebow. You guys need to calm down. Also, if there really was no way Tebow was better or at least similar to Flacco, there would be no reason for you to get so hot headed over my comment. I think you guys are a little scared oF Tebow's potential, though you would never admit it. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/minioiseau1.gif[/img]

[PuRock]

Out of curiosity. Does anybody remember what the spread was back in 2009? I'd be interested in hearing what Vegas's take was that game.

EDIT: Found it. In 2009 they were 3.5 favorites. Even found one website saying they were 2 point favorites. So despite the Pats having the edge, Vegas did like the Ravens in that game. Interesting.

[Ravens Fan in Ontario]

IMO the only thing NE has going for them is their TE's.

Our Defense has palyed consistently well against TE's. I think the first TD we gave up to a TE was the SD game.

Gronk is big, but not fast. We have one of the hardest hitting best tackling SS in the game in Pollard. I will be looking for him to control the TE's. Aside from that we all knkow Ray isn't afraid to put a lick on anyone.

We really need Ed Reed to be healthy. Hernandez is the one that I worry about because he's fast! We need to get one good hit on Welker to slow that little buggar down.

[rlh445]

Hahahaha fly....I saw that you tried reasoning with Pats fans. Trust me brudda, you're not gonna get anywhere. Pats fans are about as knowledgeable as Mike Preston when it comes to anything outside of Patriots ball. That's just the way it is. They still think Flacco is a rookie in his first year and obviously haven't watched any Ravens games for two years, probably because the 2009 loss still hurts them. I can't WAIT to shove it in their mouths after we win.

[Raven07]

i dont read too much into stats anymore, this is the NFL, not the National Patriot League. "[b]any given sunday[/b]" all the smack talk really just sounds childish, like back when i was 5 years old on the backyard playground.

last week was last week, its history. its a new season. (new game) have some humility.

i wont give prediction on this game. and i wont speak like oh we gonna win this hands down. because you know what? karma bites back. all these patriot fans with al the talk....... it could end up biting them in the butt because overconfidence.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flLqAvF4rZE[/media]

[Ryan561]

[quote name='Raven07' timestamp='1326756061' post='954286']
i dont read too much into stats anymore, this is the NFL, but hte National Patriot League. "[b]any given sunday[/b]" all the smack talk really just sounds childish, like back when i was 5 years old on the backyard playground.

last week was last week, its history. its a new season. (new game) have some humility.

i wont give prediction on this game. and i wont speak like oh we gonna win this hands down. because you know what? karma bites back. all these patriot fans with al the talk....... it could end up biting them in the butt because overconfidence.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flLqAvF4rZE[/media]
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I hope we can do that again!!!

[Raven07]

just so everyone remembers that first play call the ravens did... rice's 80 yard TD run, wasnt called my Cameron, it was called a kid in the hospital whom cameron called and asked him what he should do forthe first play of the game... what he dial up? 80 yard TD so karma bites back.

[H8R]

We like being underdogs, it makes our blood boil!

[reediddy]

[quote name='IMissMattStover' timestamp='1326749309' post='954073']

You people are so frustating. Look at the part I bolded. I meant that the comments about Flacco were similar ones to those being made about Tebow. You guys need to calm down. Also, if there really was no way Tebow was better or at least similar to Flacco, there would be no reason for you to get so hot headed over my comment. I think you guys are a little scared oF Tebow's potential, though you would never admit it. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/minioiseau1.gif[/img]
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Your lcation is Gainesville so I'm expecting a little homerism in your response to this, but to be honest I agree Tebow has shown flashes of being able to play effectively in the league. For me I need to see it more consistently. As defenses adapt to the type of offense that Denver will be [u]forced[/u] to run, Tebow will IMO be less and less effective as next year progresses. Only time will tell.

However, Flacco has shown at a generally consistent level that he can win in this league, and he has done it on the road in the playoffs, both as a rookie and 2nd year QB in harsh environments. He is a proven commodity at QB in this league. Until Tebow can say that he isn't on Flacco's level