Flacco Stats?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1326681853' post='952439']


I think Wilson (pretty sure thats his name) is the Better blocker of the 3 ( the one,that caught the TD today) He is our BLOCKING TE , while ED.Dickson and Pitta ( The Express ) are our Catching T.E.s
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Yeah, when they said Kris Wilson, I was like "Who?" I think that was his first reception all year. I checked his stats, he's been in the league since 2004 and has 52 career receptions. That was the fifth TD of his career.

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1326680738' post='952385']



Yea deion sanders was talking crap about Flacco, man , let me tell you how bad i'm RAGING right now because of him putting Flacco down. I'm so mad, i plan on making a Video just for Sanders and make him look stupid. I'm going to make it while im making the TEXANS playoff montage.
[/quote]cant wait man

[AmericanSatire]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Let the haters hate, Joe is a proven winner even if they don't see it. He's kept the Ravens in contention for the defense to close out games, he's blown defenses up, he's orchestrated game-winning drives and he's won a playoff game all four years -- what more could you ask for?[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Baltimore is a defensive ball club, a running ball club -- Joe will always be ridiculed by the media, all the way up until he retires. Then, when all is said and done, people will look back and go; "You know what? #5 knew how to ball!"[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]I have all the faith in the world for Joe, and I'm just glad I'm alive to watch him do the things he does from afar. Much in the same way all of us are with Ray Lewis, just enjoying the moment while it's here.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]In support of Joe Flacco, it will be his jersey I'm wearing during the championship game.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Go Joe![/font]

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326682043' post='952448']

Yeah, when they said Kris Wilson, I was like "Who?" I think that was his first reception all year. I checked his stats, he's been in the league since 2004 and has 52 career receptions. That was the fifth TD of his career.
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He was tearing it up in PS. Kris comes in during some jumbo/goal line packages. I realized it was him when he caught it. My brother was like who's that?! Kris Wilson!

Good play call considering how well they were stuffing us on short yardage.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326682597' post='952477']

He was tearing it up in PS. Kris comes in during some jumbo/goal line packages. I realized it was him when he caught it. My brother was like who's that?! Kris Wilson!

Good play call considering how well they were stuffing us on short yardage.
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He's listed at 6'2". Short for a tight end. Now I'm obviously NOT comparing the two and I never will, but I believe we had another veteran tight end that was about 6'2" on our roster, 10 years ago in fact.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326679861' post='952333']

When you look at QBR, you need to realize it's more than just the 4 or 5 things that the passer rating looks at.

What knocked Joe's QBR down was, comparing to Yates, that he took 5 sacks (which really hurt in the QBR) compared to 0 for Yates; his ACT Play stat was almost half of Yates' (ACT Plays are pretty much any non-handoff play) meaning that Yates was more involved in the game (by stat) and Yates was playing from behind the whole game so his Clutch Index stat was higher meaning everything he did was weighted more.
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I understand how it works, but I still dont see how scoring 2 TDs while not turning it over rates worse than 0 scores and 3 TOs. Joe's comp %, YPA, and even total yards were all higher but he got significantly penalized for taking sacks. Doesnt make sense to me.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1326697288' post='952892']
I understand how it works, but I still dont see how scoring 2 TDs while not turning it over rates worse than 0 scores and 3 TOs. Joe's comp %, YPA, and even total yards were all higher but he got significantly penalized for taking sacks. Doesnt make sense to me.
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posted a message up there. I think the QBR rating that they are showing for Yates (30.9) is a combination of the Wild Card (where he got a QBR of 58) and this game. That means his QBR for this game would have to be something under 4 (I forgot what I calculated it out to be).

[Radinho84]

let those guys just talk. we all know what we have in joe flacco. just go to atlant and ask them about winning playoff games. or ask those guys in NY about their poster boy.

joe had absolutely no time to throw yesterday and his receivers could´t get open either. i was impressed that we didn´t turn the ball over against that great defense. next week will have a different look considering our offensive performance.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326697902' post='952897']

posted a message up there. I think the QBR rating that they are showing for Yates (30.9) is a combination of the Wild Card (where he got a QBR of 58) and this game. That means his QBR for this game would have to be something under 4 (I forgot what I calculated it out to be).
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Ahh that makes sense. He did have a better game against Cinci. I still think its silly that Joe got an 18.2 rating, but I guess that is somewhat representative of just how putrid our offense was. That certainly wont cut it against NE.

[RavensFanInCA]

I think I saw the bottom scroller say Joe's QBR was 18.2 and Yates's QBR was 15.7. Couldn't tell though, gf's place has DirectTV in SD... not very sharp at all.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RAYvenFan20' timestamp='1326672905' post='951859']
bet he could
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Yeah that would definitely be one bet I'd really have to think about. What are the chances Cam Cameron decides to use Larry Fitzgerald to run a reverse? Probably a lot higher than I'm comfortable with.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RavensFanInCA' timestamp='1326701938' post='952928']
I think I saw the bottom scroller say Joe's QBR was 18.2 and Yates's QBR was 15.7. Couldn't tell though, gf's place has DirectTV in SD... not very sharp at all.
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it's still a useless stat. How do you penalize a quarterback for taking sacks when it's obvious his offensive line doesn't want to protect him?

[ArmyRavensFan]

[quote name='Crabcakes&Football' timestamp='1326671291' post='951746']

Pretty good, if only the receivers could have caught something. Wonder what it would be without all the throwaways when he had 1.5 seconds to throw.
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On NFL network this morning Deon Sanders stated that Flacco was saved by amazing play of his recievers. I guess he missed the five drops. Makes you wonder if these analysts even watch the games.

[Black&purple67]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1326671186' post='951735']
Had the offensive line done their job and the WR's got separation, Flacco would have had a field day. Just sayin'.
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Straight AGREE, tired of hearing people like Deione Sanders run his mouth saying that we can't get it done with Joe. Did the Ravens have any sacks against Yates? NO
How many dropped passes by our receivers? 5
How many calls that should have gone our way DIDN'T? 3
And this is all on Flacco? My favorite player is Suggs, but he is slipping down my list because he can't back Flacco. We are a team, not a single man.

[Black&purple67]

Pocket protection might be nice. Amazing that the Texans were able to keep the top sacker Suggs off of their QB but our offensive line can't protect Joe. We need to keep someone short to allow quick short passes since our offensive line is weak. Get rid of the ball Joe, and BTW get a new offensive coordinator and maybe the fans won't be telling you how to play.

[D-Rey]

I use toe like Deion Sanders as a analyst, but he's becoming a joke like the rest of them. He said we need to worry about Joe Flacco because he had a dismal performance. Really 97 QB Rating 2 TDs no INTs, 5 blatant dropped passes that could of extended drives, and no oline. I thought he played great with what he was working with.

Sorry if it's already been discussed, but I had to vent a little after I saw that.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='ArmyRavensFan' timestamp='1326723357' post='953097']

On NFL network this morning Deon Sanders stated that Flacco was saved by amazing play of his recievers. I guess he missed the five drops. Makes you wonder if these analysts even watch the games.
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I just saw that. I could not believe he said that, and they all agreed with it. I mean, Michael Irvin is a freaking HOF receiver. HE couldn't tell that they were dropping passes all day? I'm embarrassed to say that Deion was a part of the Ravens right now.

[JO_75]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1326727581' post='953224']
I use toe like Deion Sanders as a analyst, but he's becoming a joke like the rest of them. He said we need to worry about Joe Flacco because he had a dismal performance. Really 97 QB Rating 2 TDs no INTs, 5 blatant dropped passes that could of extended drives, and no oline. I thought he played great with what he was working with.[/quote]

Don't worry I just read this on PFT:

[quote]Flacco’s struggles are particularly alarming. He’s simply not playing like a Super Bowl quarterback. [/quote]

Struggles? Not playing like a Super Bowl QB? Of course he struggled due to all the pressure the Texans got, of course he struggled due to the offensive line not protecting him thus allowing all the pressure to happen, and it doesn't help if your receivers drop catches and have stone hands. Where is the criticism of Brees and Rodgers who struggled and didn't play like the Super Bowl MVPs that they are? Nope, none of that despite the fact they Brees and Rodgers were just as pressured as Joe was and were horrible as well. Get it through your head media.... DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!

[D-Rey]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1326732155' post='953387']

Don't worry I just read this on PFT:



Struggles? Not playing like a Super Bowl QB? Of course he struggled due to all the pressure the Texans got, of course he struggled due to the offensive line not protecting him thus allowing all the pressure to happen, and it doesn't help if your receivers drop catches and have stone hands. Where is the criticism of Brees and Rodgers who struggled and didn't play like the Super Bowl MVPs that they are? Nope, none of that despite the fact they Brees and Rodgers were just as pressured as Joe was and were horrible as well. Get it through your head media.... DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!
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I guess it doesn't really matter. We believe in Flacco, well most of us. And This team believes in Flacco, thats all that matters. Doesn't matter if my friends that are Bears fans insult Flacco. The aren't many QBs I would rather have over him.

[DieHardBMoreFan]

Anybody have a complete list of all of his current records? I need some ammunition for an argument [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] i'm having with a Giants/Eli fan who just can't shut his damn mouth trashtalking Flacco.

This is what i pulled of Wiki but it's a bit outdated. I updated a few things but i would love to have a complete list of all of the RECORDS he has broken and/or currently holds.[list]
[*]First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs
[*]First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games (more to come)
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first four seasons: 71
[*]Most wins by a quarterback in first 60 consecutive starts: 40
[*]First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons (soon to be 4)
[*]Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino"]Dan Marino[/url])
[*]Most playoff road wins: 4 (tied with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson"]Len Dawson[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach"]Roger Staubach[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Delhomme"]Jake Delhomme[/url], and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanchez"]Mark Sanchez[/url])
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[1/28/01]

[quote name='DieHardBMoreFan' timestamp='1326734338' post='953486']
Anybody have a complete list of all of his current records? I need some ammunition for an argument [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] i'm having with a Giants/Eli fan who just can't shut his damn mouth trashtalking Flacco.

This is what i pulled of Wiki but it's a bit outdated. I updated a few things but i would love to have a complete list of all of the RECORDS he has broken and/or currently holds.[list]
[*]First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs
[*]First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games (more to come)
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first four seasons: 71
[*]Most wins by a quarterback in first 60 consecutive starts: 40
[*]First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons (soon to be 4)
[*]Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino"]Dan Marino[/url])
[*]Most playoff road wins: 4 (tied with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson"]Len Dawson[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach"]Roger Staubach[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Delhomme"]Jake Delhomme[/url], and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanchez"]Mark Sanchez[/url])
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Didn't you post this exact thing a few weeks ago?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='DieHardBMoreFan' timestamp='1326734338' post='953486']
Anybody have a complete list of all of his current records? I need some ammunition for an argument [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] i'm having with a Giants/Eli fan who just can't shut his damn mouth trashtalking Flacco.

This is what i pulled of Wiki but it's a bit outdated. I updated a few things but i would love to have a complete list of all of the RECORDS he has broken and/or currently holds.[list]
[*]First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs
[*]First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games (more to come)
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
[*]Most starts by a quarterback in first four seasons: 71
[*]Most wins by a quarterback in first 60 consecutive starts: 40
[*]First quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first three seasons (soon to be 4)
[*]Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino"]Dan Marino[/url])
[*]Most playoff road wins: 4 (tied with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson"]Len Dawson[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach"]Roger Staubach[/url], [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Delhomme"]Jake Delhomme[/url], and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanchez"]Mark Sanchez[/url])
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How are you even losing that argument? The guy is a fan of a quarterback who had a qb rating of 50 in one of his seasons, and who didn't even get over 80 until his 5th year in the league. And go back and look at Eli in the playoffs in 2007. At Green Bay QB rating 72, Superbowl rating 87.3. Next year - rating 40.7. Missed the playoffs the next three seasons. This is the first postseason he's been in since 2008, the first games he's won in the postseason since 2007. Seriously, how are you losing that argument? Just bring up the crap that Eli has pulled, and you win.

[DieHardBMoreFan]

Yes i did post it a few weeks ago, and the thread got closed after no answers because "there are already enough flacco threads open" yet none of them detail his records and acheivements.

[callahan09]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326675816' post='952067']
What the heck? Now I know that total QBR is garbage. 18.2 for Flacco? When his QB rating was in the 90s? 2 TDS, no picks? 5 drops?
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Yeah, they gave T.J. Yates nearly the same rating as Flacco? 0 scores and 3 INTs, and they gave him a 15.7, then there's Flacco with 2 scores and 0 INTs and they give him an only marginally better 18.2? That's astonishing! Even better, they gave Andy Dalton a 26.8 for his 0 TD, 3 INT game last week! How in the hell are they going to give a 0 TD, 3 INT performance a higher rating than Flacco's 2 TD, 0 INT performance? I thought QBR was supposed to take into account things like the fact that the offensive line was giving Flacco no help all day, the fact that his receivers either weren't getting open or weren't catching good passes, and the other adversity that Flacco faced yesterday? It's just ridiculous how low they graded him.

[callahan09]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326679861' post='952333']

When you look at QBR, you need to realize it's more than just the 4 or 5 things that the passer rating looks at.

What knocked Joe's QBR down was, comparing to Yates, that he took 5 sacks (which really hurt in the QBR) compared to 0 for Yates; his ACT Play stat was almost half of Yates' (ACT Plays are pretty much any non-handoff play) meaning that Yates was more involved in the game (by stat) and Yates was playing from behind the whole game so his Clutch Index stat was higher meaning everything he did was weighted more.
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Who cares if Flacco was sacked 5 times? Literally 4 of the 5 sacks were because the offensive line was so porous on the play that a minimum of 3 defenders were right on top of him nearly simultaneously with the snapped ball reaching Flacco's hands. And you can't tell me that taking 5 sacks (most of which aren't even remotely the quarterbacks fault) is anywhere near as bad as 3 turnovers! And how about Flacco's 2 scores, versus Yates' no scores? Don't those count for anything? The whole rating is out of whack, it's ridiculous. Yates' score shouldn't be ANYWHERE NEAR Flacco's, which is why the good ol' QB Rating is still a much better indicator even despite it's lack of some factors being include, because if you look at a performance and see multiple scores and no turnovers versus no scores and multiple turnovers, that former performance should be considered significantly better than the latter every single time, and that's why the QBR scores are worthless in this instance, and the Passer Rating scores paint the much more accurate picture of what happened out there on that field yesterday.

[callahan09]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1326680876' post='952395']
I went to take a look at the released stats and realised that I think the QBR rating they came up with for Yates is an average based on last week. They show him at a -1 Sack EPA when he wasn't sacked today and 61 ACT Plays (don't know why I didn't catch that before). He only threw 35 times today. To get a 30.9 combined QBR after getting a 58.0 in the wild card game, he'd have to have had a 3.8 QBR this game.
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Not a 3.8... They gave him a 15.7 for yesterday's performance. As opposed to Flacco's 18.2. How Flacco's 2 TD, 0 INT performance is basically the same as Yates' 0 TD, 3 INT performance I will never understand, and I will never agree with.

[flynismo]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1326741073' post='953750']
Yeah, they gave T.J. Yates nearly the same rating as Flacco? 0 scores and 3 INTs, and they gave him a 15.7, then there's Flacco with 2 scores and 0 INTs and they give him an only marginally better 18.2? That's astonishing! Even better, they gave Andy Dalton a 26.8 for his 0 TD, 3 INT game last week! How in the hell are they going to give a 0 TD, 3 INT performance a higher rating than Flacco's 2 TD, 0 INT performance? I thought QBR was supposed to take into account things like the fact that the offensive line was giving Flacco no help all day, the fact that his receivers either weren't getting open or weren't catching good passes, and the other adversity that Flacco faced yesterday? It's just ridiculous how low they graded him.
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I guess you havent heard of the Flacco tax. He automatically gets 20 points taken off the top for being Joe Flacco.