Cam Cameron Playcalling

[Greatness]

[quote name='saved72907' timestamp='1326721257' post='953057']
Woke up this morning with an old Kenny Rodgers song in my head, except the words went like this....
You gotta know how to hold'em, know when to throw'em, know when to audible plays, know when to run, you look just like a dummy, when you're standin' on the sideline, I can't wait to send you packin', when the season's done!
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That's hilarious! lol

[Ravenglenn]

After the game I was out running an errand, and the guy on the radio, I beieve it was Fox Sports I was listening to, was analyzing the game, and he said straight out that Cam should be fired before next week's game for how lousy he coached this game. I was only half listening so I don't know who he was, but hearing those words somewhere other than this board really got my attention.

[saved72907]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1326733058' post='953428']


That's hilarious! lol
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Lil song I wrote called "The Cambler"

[flynismo]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1326731548' post='953365']


Exactly!! and that is when you need to realize that you need to utilize your time to not give Houston time to tie it up. Rice just ran for 5 yards on 1st down, you're ALREADY in FG range. You run it 2 more times to run the clock out or force Houston to use it's time outs. Right before halftime Cam called 3 straight pass plays. During that series they were 0-3 and on 3rd down Flacco was sacked, knocking us out of FG range. So why would do the same thing at the end of the game and risk a turnover or in this case only 8 seconds running off the clock? Not to mention, Joe was sacked 5 times up to that point.

Sorry brother....but in this scenario you run the ball every time!!!
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You risk a turnover no matter what you do. Rice fumbled earlier in the game already. If Houston knows the run is coming and knocks the ball loose again, does Cam get slammed for being predictable as usual?

On the other hand, I think we have all learned our lesson that a 7 point lead with the opposing team getting the ball back at least one more time is not a safe lead. And Ravens fans constantly criticise Cam for being too conservative and shutting the offense down too early by going to the run.
Now he gives everyone what they want -- a killer instinct to the bitter end -- and we want him to go back to being predictable, conservative Cam?

:shrug:

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326736732' post='953589']


You risk a turnover no matter what you do. Rice fumbled earlier in the game already. If Houston knows the run is coming and knocks the ball loose again, does Cam get slammed for being predictable as usual?

On the other hand, I think we have all learned our lesson that a 7 point lead with the opposing team getting the ball back at least one more time is not a safe lead. And Ravens fans constantly criticise Cam for being too conservative and shutting the offense down too early by going to the run.
Now he gives everyone what they want -- a killer instinct to the bitter end -- and we want him to go back to being predictable, conservative Cam?

:shrug:
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And the worse thing that could happen in this scenario is Houston ties up the game. But running the ball and running the clock out or forcing them to use their timeouts limits their time to try and get a game tieing score. A running clock is your friend in this scenario. And running the ball is the best option to do so. It's not about being more conservative more aggressive at that point of the game. It's about doing what's best in that situation to ensure a win. And in my opinion running was the best option.

[Purple Punishment]

im tired of seeing the same stuff week in week out. Why hasnt he used Boldin in the slot position. Alot of people on here will say, our receivers arent getting seperation but plays have to be designed to make the coverages roll off the receivers. Look at NE for example. They have ZERO elite big fast receivers and always have seperation. When Gronk catches a ball hes almost always by himself. Drives me nuts that we have this capability but it never comes to fruition The play design is what helps create the seperation. Cam has no imagination. We dont have Air Coryell personnel but he still runs it.....

MD unemployment is $430 a week Cam. I hope you can feed your family off of that because that is where you are headed.

Someone call Chip Kelly please?!?!?!

[I AM LEGEND]

Twice or maybe even 3 times we got on there side of the field where a couple runs would have put us in FG range...cam called pass plays I believe on 5 outta 6 possessions....why?! We're in a defensive struggle cam run ray or Ricky pick up the extra crucial 5-6 yards and let's get the 3pts...instead we drop Flacco back get incompletions and eventually the sack that takes us out FG range

[flynismo]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1326739600' post='953690']
Twice or maybe even 3 times we got on there side of the field where a couple runs would have put us in FG range...cam called pass plays I believe on 5 outta 6 possessions....why?! We're in a defensive struggle cam run ray or Ricky pick up the extra crucial 5-6 yards and let's get the 3pts...instead we drop Flacco back get incompletions and eventually the sack that takes us out FG range
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You are assuming that Rice would have gained those yards that we needed. That is one heck of an assumption to make if you look at his performance yesterday

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326736732' post='953589']

You risk a turnover no matter what you do. Rice fumbled earlier in the game already. If Houston knows the run is coming and knocks the ball loose again, does Cam get slammed for being predictable as usual?

On the other hand, I think we have all learned our lesson that a 7 point lead with the opposing team getting the ball back at least one more time is not a safe lead. And Ravens fans constantly criticise Cam for being too conservative and shutting the offense down too early by going to the run.
Now he gives everyone what they want -- a killer instinct to the bitter end -- and we want him to go back to being predictable, conservative Cam?

:shrug:
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You know... if our Oline could run the ball no one would have this conversation.

[Purple Punishment]

Should have given Ricky some more carries. He was running hard. Not giving him more touches while having the hot hand is just another glimpse of the ineptitude of one Cam Cameron

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326739683' post='953694']



You are assuming that Rice would have gained those yards that we needed. That is one heck of an assumption to make if you look at his performance yesterday
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I'll take my chances with running the ball up the gut or stretch runs for 3 straight downs to get 5 yds before I take the chance of dropping Flacco back to pass..

[flynismo]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1326739717' post='953695']

You know... if our Oline could run the ball no one would have this conversation.
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Precisely (I assume thats a typo and you meant the Oline could block, lol).

I don't think passing was wrong in that situation, all things considered. I dont think playing it "safe" and running it would be a bad decision either. Comes down to guys doing their jobs. And they didn't.

[flynismo]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1326739926' post='953701']
I'll take my chances with running the ball up the gut or stretch runs for 3 straight downs to get 5 yds before I take the chance of dropping Flacco back to pass..
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That worked out well on 4th and a foot for the TD

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1326739926' post='953701']
I'll take my chances with running the ball up the gut or stretch runs for 3 straight downs to get 5 yds before I take the chance of dropping Flacco back to pass..
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Even though Flacco's passing is what helped to win the game. But of course, I'm sure you don't believe it.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1326739760' post='953697']
Should have given Ricky some more carries. He was running hard. Not giving him more touches while having the hot hand is just another glimpse of the ineptitude of one Cam Cameron
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Only problem with that is ur now taking the ball out of Rice hands and that's what has gotten Cam and our coaching staff in HOT water this year..

Now actually I wouldn't have been against running Ricky alittle more cause he was hitting the hole alittle harder than rice yesterday....but ultimately I say we ride or die with Ray

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326739959' post='953704']

Precisely (I assume thats a typo and you meant the Oline could block, lol).

I don't think passing was wrong in that situation, all things considered. I dont think playing it "safe" and running it would be a bad decision either. Comes down to guys doing their jobs. And they didn't.
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My bad, yes if our O-line could block. If we had Joe Thomas and Kenny Britt, Cam cameron would be a genius. Because players win football games. I feel like fans overrate our own players.

Yeah, but run blocking is our biggest problem. The whole of our offense is philosophically based off the ability to run the ball, that's why you bring in the I formation, because it sells play action.

I guarantee if we average over 4 yards a carry against the pats we'll win.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326739995' post='953709']


That worked out well on 4th and a foot for the TD
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Goaline defense is the toughest to operate against...come on u know that...but actually I wanted the 3pts in that situation..

[Purple Punishment]

true but when hes not even getting 3 yards a carry and you have Ricky averaging over 4, he needs more touches

Ricky on that goal line stand would have probably yielded a different result. I dont think he would have been stood up like Rice. Im not knocking Rice. Im just saying, Ricky was performing better and maybe he should have been used in short yardage situations

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326740044' post='953710']


Even though Flacco's passing is what helped to win the game. But of course, I'm sure you don't believe it.
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Lol u Flacco guys....I tell ya

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1326740177' post='953720']
true but when hes not even getting 3 yards a carry and you have Ricky averaging over 4, he needs more touches

Ricky on that goal line stand would have probably yielded a different result. I dont think he would have been stood up like Rice. Im not knocking Rice. Im just saying, Ricky was performing better and maybe he should have been used in short yardage situations
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I too asked why Ricky didn't take that 4th and 1 run...but anywhere else on the field I like rays chances to something substantial more than Rickys....look at the last game against the Bengals...I don't thinks Ray ypc was good besides his 2 plays he took to the house...

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1326740207' post='953724']
Lol u Flacco guys....I tell ya
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Yep, we're so clueless as to think the guy who tossed two early TD passes and no picks against the number 2 ranked pass defense in the NFL while taking 5 sacks while your hero Ray Rice got 80 total yards, with 60 yards on 21 carries. 3 yards a carry, yeah he really got it done. Meanwhile Arian Foster walked through the defense like it was nothing. But yeah, Rice was the hero.

[flynismo]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1326740169' post='953719']
Goaline defense is the toughest to operate against...come on u know that...but actually I wanted the 3pts in that situation..
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I do know that. And guess what? Flacco got a redzone TD today. Rice didnt.

Personally I agreed with the call. But then at the end when it was 20 - 13, I was like damn, wish we woulda chickened out lol

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326741704' post='953776']

I do know that. And guess what? Flacco got a redzone TD today. Rice didnt.

Personally I agreed with the call. But then at the end when it was 20 - 13, I was like damn, wish we woulda chickened out lol
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Hey Fly, who was it again that said "Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are hurting the team?"

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326741925' post='953786']

Hey Fly, who was it again that said "Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are hurting the team?"
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The same guy who excuses Ray Rice for not gaining 18 inches to get a TD, because it was in the big bad red zone. lmao!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326741704' post='953776']

I do know that. And guess what? Flacco got a redzone TD today. Rice didnt.

Personally I agreed with the call. But then at the end when it was 20 - 13, I was like damn, wish we woulda chickened out lol
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I understand where you are coming from on most points. I was the same way with that 4th an inches play lol

Still, we ran the ball up the gut (either Rice or Williams) the first play of every single offensive series but one. While it might not be the actual play call (though it wasn't working so you'd think we could come up with something else hey? ) we run the same exact play on every first down? That's insane.

I couldn't fault him for the pass plays late in the game. Like you said, we asked for aggressive. Other than the 3rd and 2. Yeah, perhaps we might not have picked up the yards on the ground but 3rd and 2? I think a run with either Williams or Leach there would have gotten it done more often than not.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326741925' post='953786']

Hey Fly, who was it again that said "Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are hurting the team?"
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Yeah, but what I meant was I believe it was either "I AM LEGEND" or "edreedfromtheu", but I'm not sure and you found that thread. Don't want to keep calling out the wrong guy on it,

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326742515' post='953808']

Yeah, but what I meant was I believe it was either "I AM LEGEND" or "edreedfromtheu", but I'm not sure and you found that thread. Don't want to keep calling out the wrong guy on it,
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Actually IAL said that about Reed, I'm not sure if he is part of the bench Ray club or not.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326743107' post='953831']

Actually IAL said that about Reed, I'm not sure if he is part of the bench Ray club or not.
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Thanks. Doesn't matter about Ray or not, I'm just going to keep brining it up until .... forever, especially after this game.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1326740207' post='953724']
Lol u Flacco guys....I tell ya
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Lol u "Ed Reed is hurting the team guys"... I tell ya. Wonder what would have happened if we benched the guy like you wanted to 2 years ago.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1326740169' post='953719']


Goaline defense is the toughest to operate against...come on u know that...but actually I wanted the 3pts in that situation..
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So did I...In a tight, defensive minded game, you ALWAYS take the 3 there. Always!!!