Cam Cameron Playcalling

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1326664762' post='951329']
Before he threw it 2 straight times at the very end I think he was calling a alright game. Rice shoulda had a few more carries perhaps
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No he called a crap game all the way around. We used the middle of the field once. We ran outside once. We ran straight up the middle on first and 10 every single solitary time except once. We then tried a pass on 2nd 90% of the time. We passed on 3rd and 2. The man is a moron.

[The Raven]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1326672026' post='951797']
Next week we either have to win or lose in Cam-firing fashion. Either win or lose Cam. I don't want another year of both.
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I want to fire Cam win or lose. He is so awful.

[The Raven]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1326672173' post='951800']

No he called a crap game all the way around. We used the middle of the field once. We ran outside once. We ran straight up the middle on first and 10 every single solitary time except once. We then tried a pass on 2nd 90% of the time. [b]We passed on 3rd and 2. [/b]The man is a moron.
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Not only did we pass, we passed deep. Did we send 3 guys deep there?

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326672259' post='951805']

Not only did we pass, we passed deep. Did we send 3 guys deep there?
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Not sure really. I was so disgusted by then lol

I don't know that I can watch another Cam challenged offense next year regardless of what happens this season.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326672259' post='951805']

Not only did we pass, we passed deep. Did we send 3 guys deep there?
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Probably, because that's what we do. Cam tells everyone to go deep on routes that take 6 seconds to develop when the pass rush is getting to Joe after 3.

[Npane171]

I agree Cam called a bad game. Very Whimsical!

Some of you might not agree with this, but Ray Rice had a bad game overall today. I think Ricky showed better running skills than Ray Rice. The drive which started with Ricky was actually good. We chewed up time and yards, even though we couldn't finish with points.

Of course, that's not typical of Ray Rice. We'll expect him to have a much more productive game next week.

Joe was overall good today.

Pass rush was non-existent, and when we actually got in the back-field we let Yates slip through our fingers (literally). We had bad tackling all over the defensive line today. Just horrible fundamentals.

Thankfully our secondary, as young as it is, played at a high level! Some things could have been better, yes, but overall our secondary was the shinning star of the defense....and Webb showed why it is an insult for him not to be a pro bowl corner!

Ravens have got to improve in those areas.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Npane171' timestamp='1326672614' post='951832']
I agree Cam called a bad game. Very Whimsical!

Some of you might not agree with this, but Ray Rice had a bad game overall today. I think Ricky showed better running skills than Ray Rice. The drive which started with Ricky was actually good. We chewed up time and yards, even though we couldn't finish with points.

Of course, that's not typical of Ray Rice. We'll expect him to have a much more productive game next week.

Joe was overall good today.

Pass rush was non-existent, and when we actually got in the back-field we let Yates slip through our fingers (literally). We had bad tackling all over the defensive line today. Just horrible fundamentals.

Thankfully our secondary, as young as it is, played at a high level! Some things could have been better, yes, but overall our secondary was the shinning star of the defense....and Webb showed why it is an insult for him not to be a pro bowl corner!

Ravens have got to improve in those areas.
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I say this often, but there are time where Ray stutter steps entirely too much. If he would just hit the hole he'd get more yards.

[UD Ravens Fan]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326670113' post='951676']

Isn't it obvious? Cam Cameron is our offensive coordinator, that's why.
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why don't the Ravens run any quick out pass plays to torrey smith or any WR to try and spread the field some? Joe can get the ball out there in a nano-second with laser throws.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='UD Ravens Fan' timestamp='1326673143' post='951872']


why don't the Ravens run any quick out pass plays to torrey smith or any WR to try and spread the field some? Joe can get the ball out there in a nano-second with laser throws.
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Again, because Cam is the OC. Q did one thing better than anyone in the league in Arizona - he broke tackles and got YAC. He's not that guy anymore, but he's still one of the best in the league at doing it. All Torrey did at Maryland was catch screens and hitches and take them up the field, because his QBs had noodle arms. Doss isn't fast, but he catches well in traffic and also got good YAC in college. Lee has the speed to easily gain YAC. Our tight ends do it, Ray Rice does it. All of our receivers are built to catch short and medium passes and gain extra yards, but Cam doesn't call those plays. Apparently everybody but John Harbaugh recognizes this.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326673354' post='951892']
Again, because Cam is the OC. Q did one thing better than anyone in the league in Arizona - he broke tackles and got YAC. He's not that guy anymore, but he's still one of the best in the league at doing it. All Torrey did at Maryland was catch screens and hitches and take them up the field, because his QBs had noodle arms. Doss isn't fast, but he catches well in traffic and also got good YAC in college. Lee has the speed to easily gain YAC. Our tight ends do it, Ray Rice does it. All of our receivers are built to catch short and medium passes and gain extra yards, but Cam doesn't call those plays. Apparently everybody but John Harbaugh recognizes this.
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It's truly unbelievable.

I'm positive he called less than ten screens to Q last season. I also know for a fact he didn't put him in motion before running a screen or drag once either. And it's been the same this year, even with more explosive players in the fold. Execution is obviously important but at some point, you have to expand the play-calling imagination.

No matter how the season ends, he's got to go.

[stan]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1326665531' post='951385']

Yea man. That's why I hate to look at just the stats. One thing Belichick is renowned for is the way he coaches [i]situational football[/i]. I think that is the critical skill that Cam lacks. It's not just what you call, it's how you call it. Even that short yardage play to Leach on the 3rd and Inches was retarded because that's the exact short yardage play you've been calling all season... Cam is too linear with his playcalling... he designates certain plays for certain situations and never deviates. So frustrating to watch.
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Since you mentioned Belichick I would like to say that his effectiveness is what works. When people say he lives off the strength of his deffensive line he sits them down and plays 7 linebackers up front and wins. He is a defensive coach but now his defense is ranked near the bottom of the league. Pats are in the AFC championship because of his powerful offense. Belichick is effective in what he does. Not many are.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1326672173' post='951800']

No he called a crap game all the way around. We used the middle of the field once. We ran outside once. We ran straight up the middle on first and 10 every single solitary time except once. We then tried a pass on 2nd 90% of the time. We passed on 3rd and 2. The man is a moron.
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I agree. But he's had waaaaaay worse

[AsianRice]

We have to fight through our big obstacle, Cam; therefore, we will fight and fight until 60min runs out cuz Cam is still Cam and we just hope he somehow calls a good game.

I want Flacco to be awareness on the opposing defense like blitzing coming or zone defense coming, and then changes the scheme to short passes or screen passes.

We need to use Rice more and Rice needs to stick with Leach like a glue cuz if he went with Leach on 4th and 1 at the goal line, he would score.

In the end, it's an ugly, but it's still a win.

Lets go beat the Patriots!

[Ed_Reed20]

Speaking of Leach, PFF highlighted him in their "Focus Points" article after the game. [url="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/15/focus-points-vonta-leach-vs-the-houston-texans/"]Link[/url]

I could only laugh when I read this:

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Let’s begin by saying the Ravens are not the Saints … 24 times they had a first down situation and on 22 of them Vonta was in the formation. Of their 17 third or fourth down plays, he played six–with one, two, one, two, one, and one yards to go. You could pretty much guess from the down as distance if he be there or not. In the end, it was [b]so vanilla[/b] he was in for 73% of all plays, just behind his 73.2% of snaps in Week 13 (at Cleveland), his highest of the year.
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[schmatt18]

It's easy for us to sit here and second guess specific play calls and try to come up with a play that would have worked better. The thing that gets me is the play design and lack of adaptation.

For example, the worst part of the 3rd and 2 pass wasnt the fact it was a pass, it was the formation and pattern. We were in a 2 WR/2TE set, motioned the left WR across formation and I think snapped it with him inside the tackles, essentially putting 10 defenders in the box. So we throw a slant to the lone wide out, directly into all 10 defenders....

The Texans defense did a great job putting consistent pressure on Flacco. So instead of adapting and throwing quick 3 step passes (did see some of this late in the 4th) to offset some of the pressure, it seemed like every pass play was a 5-7 step drop, waiting for someone to get open downfield, leading to more sacks. Screens aren't the only way to offset pressure!

[D_UP]

His playcalling has no rhyme or reason.

[Npane171]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326672886' post='951852']

I say this often, but there are time where Ray stutter steps entirely too much. If he would just hit the hole he'd get more yards.
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I agree, too! I think it would be nice to see RR incorporate some of Ricky's running style coupled with that speed. I mean, 4-5 yards here and there...chewing clock and gaining yards bud. You know what too, Joe throws better when defenses expect that run...I mean, at least the receivers are just getting that room he needs to feel comfortable to throw. GOT to have a big game from RR next week. Suggs, too, HAS to show up. Keep Brady moving and second guessing...guess what? Festivus Maximus!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='schmatt18' timestamp='1326677088' post='952156']
It's easy for us to sit here and second guess specific play calls and try to come up with a play that would have worked better. The thing that gets me is the play design and lack of adaptation.

For example, the worst part of the 3rd and 2 pass wasnt the fact it was a pass, it was the formation and pattern. We were in a 2 WR/2TE set, motioned the left WR across formation and I think snapped it with him inside the tackles, essentially putting 10 defenders in the box. So we throw a slant to the lone wide out, directly into all 10 defenders....

The Texans defense did a great job putting consistent pressure on Flacco. So instead of adapting and throwing quick 3 step passes (did see some of this late in the 4th) to offset some of the pressure, it seemed like every pass play was a 5-7 step drop, waiting for someone to get open downfield, leading to more sacks. Screens aren't the only way to offset pressure!
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Cam is trying to recreate the Chargers' of the 70s/80s here. He thinks Joe is Fouts reincarnated, and Torrey is Charlie Joiner reincarnated (even though both are still alive). Guess he forgot the part where Chuck Muncie was a 6-3 bruiser that churned yards like nobody's business, and Ray Rice, as much as I love him, is a smaller back and therefore will get stuffed a lot more often than a big guy. And he also forgot that the Chargers' gameplans cost them as much in the playoffs back then as helped them - twice in the playoffs Dan Fouts threw 5 picks in a game. The Coryell offense can easily lead to a ton of turnovers and interceptions of not used properly. He's trying to run a system that at times didn't work AT ALL for the guys that created the system, and he's doing it with less than ideal personnel. He's basically trying to run what Norv Turner has in San Diego, only A) we don't have the right personnel, and B. if we're comparing the two, Norv would be the starting quarterback and Cam would be the waterboy in terms of their game-planning abilities.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326673986' post='951938']

It's truly unbelievable.

I'm positive he called less than ten screens to Q last season. I also know for a fact he didn't put him in motion before running a screen or drag once either. And it's been the same this year, even with more explosive players in the fold. Execution is obviously important but at some point, you have to expand the play-calling imagination.

No matter how the season ends, he's got to go.
[/quote]

That's not even the worst part. He called a screen pass late in the 4th quarter that worked beautifully. It just frustrates me so much that every once in a while the guy calls a brilliant play, or a brilliant game, and never does that thing again. He obviously can call good plays, but it's like he doesn't want to. He doesn't look at matchups, he doesn't try to be creative, he's like a boxer with 3 combos, and instead of trying to learn new moves he figures if he just keeps trying those same old moves over and over again, he'll eventually land a knockout blow.

[flynismo]

I felt Cam called a very good game. There is little I would have changed, other than try to get the TE a little more involved.
Also, I thought the 4th and a foot for the TD should have been a QB sneak; I said that to my bro as we were lining up, because they were coming at us off the edges insanely fast (Oher looked extremely lackadaisical most of the game).

Other than that, I'd give Cam a B+, maybe even an A-

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326685179' post='952552']
I felt Cam called a very good game. There is little I would have changed, other than try to get the TE a little more involved.
Also, I thought the 4th and a foot for the TD should have been a QB sneak; I said that to my bro as we were lining up, because they were coming at us off the edges insanely fast (Oher looked extremely lackadaisical most of the game).

Other than that, I'd give Cam a B+, maybe even an A-
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True, if the receivers had caught those balls and the o-line had decided to come to play, the game probably wouldn't have been as close. But I'm still giving Cam an F. Why? Because every single time I give him even one shred of credit, he burns me the next week.

[indianstick]

Cams play calling was pissing me off at one point in the 3rd-4th and it resulted in flacco not finding anyone open and trying to scramble away from the pass rush that worked out a couple times but the fumble could of been bad. Yes flacco should make better decisions and the wrs should get more separation but it comes down on cam putting the players in the best position to make plays

He should of called wr screens to Torrey or even boldin especially when they are playing off. I wish he called more slants too AND I can't believe he did try the qb draw for at least one of those short yardage plays

Bolding bailed him out and so did Joe. But cam was pissing me off

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326685179' post='952552']
I felt Cam called a very good game. [u][b]There is little I would have changed[/b][/u], other than try to get the TE a little more involved.
Also, I thought the 4th and a foot for the TD should have been a QB sneak; I said that to my bro as we were lining up, because they were coming at us off the edges insanely fast (Oher looked extremely lackadaisical most of the game).

Other than that, I'd give Cam a B+, maybe even an A-
[/quote]

i would have changed up quite a bit.

Cam didn't go to the TEs much because of the defensive pressure but you gotta use those cats more and keep them involved in the game. they are 2 big targets that must be accounted for. i would have called for some sweeps and pitches to get Rice to the outside with his speed. instead of running Ray up the gut i'd use Ricky. what happened to the Rice checkdowns out of the backfield today? i'd call for more quick slants over the middle or crossing routes. i'd call some draws and more screens to throw off all of that outside blitzing the texans were doing.

~Mili

[Jillester]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326681675' post='952436']

Cam is trying to recreate the Chargers' of the 70s/80s here. He thinks Joe is Fouts reincarnated, and Torrey is Charlie Joiner reincarnated (even though both are still alive). Guess he forgot the part where Chuck Muncie was a 6-3 bruiser that churned yards like nobody's business, and Ray Rice, as much as I love him, is a smaller back and therefore will get stuffed a lot more often than a big guy. And he also forgot that the Chargers' gameplans cost them as much in the playoffs back then as helped them - twice in the playoffs Dan Fouts threw 5 picks in a game. The Coryell offense can easily lead to a ton of turnovers and interceptions of not used properly. He's trying to run a system that at times didn't work AT ALL for the guys that created the system, and he's doing it with less than ideal personnel. He's basically trying to run what Norv Turner has in San Diego, only A) we don't have the right personnel, and B. if we're comparing the two, Norv would be the starting quarterback and Cam would be the waterboy in terms of their game-planning abilities.
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I totally agree that Cam is stuck in a San Diego Time Warp. I've decided to volunteer my services to help him pack when he leaves (which will be none too soon.)

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Jillester' timestamp='1326686544' post='952600']

I totally agree that Cam is stuck in a San Diego Time Warp. I've decided to volunteer my services to help him pack when he leaves (which will be none too soon.)
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I'd pay him to leave, if I knew what his price was.

[-Truth-]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Honestly, it wasn't the worst called game. There was a definite lack of execution. The number of drops and their timing was especially brutal, and the run blocking wasn't exactly stellar neither. However, there were several times when I was incredibly frustrated with Cameron's calls, those being at the end of both halves. In the 2nd quarter, the Texans scored a TD with just under 5 minutes to go. A successful running attack and a beautiful pass and catch to Boldin puts us at their 33 yard line with 2 minutes left, potentially making this the last drive of the half, should we play our cards right. Considering how stale our offense was in this quarter up to this drive, and that the defense just gave up a long drive to the Texans, I felt that scoring points in any fashion would've at least helped us negate their past drive to some degree, and give us cushion coming into the 3rd quarter. However, instead of even attempting to run the ball, we passed on 3 straight plays, equaling 0 yards on the first two, and a sack for -8 yards on the third, which effectively took us out of field goal range. I can always appreciate diversity, but when our last 4 running plays on this drive merited at least 4 yards a piece, I believe that we should've at least attempted to draw closer to a potential 3 on one of those downs.[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Lastly, it was the play-calling with 3 minutes left that left me puzzled. We faced a 1st and 10 at their 31 yard line with 3:09 left on the clock. Ray Rice manages to find a crease for a solid 5 yard gain. With Houston having 2 time outs left and a 2 minute warning, we were 5 yards and 1 first down shy of leaving them just over a minute and a single drive to attempt a game-tying TD. Instead, we run a series of passes that gain nothing, don't make Billy Cundiff's attempt any easier, and take merely 8 seconds off of the remaining time. Sadly, this isn't the first time that Cam decides to call an unsuccessful pass play with 3 minutes left right after a successful run play, all while nursing a lead. Both of the previous scenarios ended in an incompletion and a lost fumble. Not a fan of how those situations were handled.[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]PS: My opinion could be influenced by the unbelievably annoying fan sitting behind me, who literally screamed at the top of his lungs every time Cam didn't call a run on a 3rd and long lol[/font][/color]

[Alexir]

I feel Cam and Joe need to use more slants and attack the middle of the field more, it seems every pass is to the outside or a dump off to a rice or a tight end. its holding us back.

[wayne]

I said it before and I said it again, Cam has to implement more 3 step drops instead of 7 step drops all the time, especially when the O-line is getting beat constantly. Against the Patriots, we should be alright b/c they don't have a good pass rush but then again, our O-line make other teams pass rush seem elite at times. Also, Ray Rice missed on a couple of runs today, preferably the run when he was stuffed at the goal line. He had action to the left on that run for a TD but tried to run through Ryan but Rice will get it together.

[omar586]

too predictable

[Grapple Raven]

For those of you asking why we didn't use a QB sneak today...I can answer that one. Cam used it the first time we played Houston successfully, so that means we couldn't use it again! lol