Cam Cameron Playcalling

[RavenousBG]

Those late throws were risky. I didn't like them when they happened but if we would have hit them then he would have been praised. So I will praise his guts to go for it. There were some other things I didn't like be be was being aggressive. I still don't think we adjust during the game well. It was obvious that the Texans came away from game one with two realizations. 1. Take away Ray Rice. 2. Take away Torry Smith. They did that. We did run Ricky a little more than usual and he was okay and we did go to Evans and he made a phenomenal play but we needed a few stronger adjustments to get a rhythm. We never got that rhythm. But we won and produced pretty well in the red zone outside of the goal line stand. The Texans are a very good team though. Reminds me of a young Ravens team. So I wanted more points but there were no turnovers and no penalties. I'll take it and hope for a more prolific offensive showing next week. Let's hope the Defense plays as well or better next week also.

Go Ravens!

[Bosanac]

First you guys complain about him being too conservative, now you complain about him taking chances.

[Ravenslifer]

If Cam still has a job here next year after this, I don't know what to say. He can't coach an offense, can't call gameplans that get separation for the receivers - heck, the San Diego o-line was more battered than we were and Norv's schemes totally neutralized Pagano's the whole game.

[Gordo52]

Before he threw it 2 straight times at the very end I think he was calling a alright game. Rice shoulda had a few more carries perhaps

[The Raven]

Why did we only run inside? We ran outside one time and it went for 8 yards. Come on Cam!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Bosanac' timestamp='1326664756' post='951327']
First you guys complain about him being too conservative, now you complain about him taking chances.
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Cam is just very predictable, IMO. Run, Run, Pass, then when you try to pass on first down try a 20 yard deep route. The one slant he used today worked perfectly. Perfectly. And he didn't use it again. If he would make more of those smart calls often, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But he doesn't.

[rayrayven]

The Ravens OL took away Ray Rice. Rice and Leach were both tackled behind line in short yardage situations by penetrating defenders. When Cam didn't run Rice he was crucified. Then he stuck with Rice and Ravens won all but one game at the end of season with Rice excelling. I cant blame Cam for today. Ravens OL was just awful. WRs dropping balls early didn't make the picture any prettier. Todays Ravens team won't win next weekend. Hopefully they get some spark.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Bosanac' timestamp='1326664756' post='951327']
First you guys complain about him being too conservative, now you complain about him taking chances.
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He has no game awareness. In that situation you run twice EVERY SINGLE TIME. 2nd and 5 with 3 min left. RUN, kill clock, make them use their TO's. Put 8 Olineman if you have to I dont care, run the damn ball. If youre going to pass, get Flacco out of under centre where he was getting straight murdered all game.

[RavenousBG]

[quote name='Bosanac' timestamp='1326664756' post='951327']
First you guys complain about him being too conservative, now you complain about him taking chances.
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Where did I complain? I praised him. I said during the game I didn't like the passes but it was because they were missed. My man, I was checking myself right there.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1326665178' post='951359']
He has no game awareness. In that situation you run twice EVERY SINGLE TIME. 2nd and 5 with 3 min left. RUN, kill clock, make them use their TO's. Put 8 Olineman if you have to I dont care, run the damn ball. If youre going to pass, get Flacco out of under centre where he was getting straight murdered all game.
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Yea man. That's why I hate to look at just the stats. One thing Belichick is renowned for is the way he coaches [i]situational football[/i]. I think that is the critical skill that Cam lacks. It's not just what you call, it's how you call it. Even that short yardage play to Leach on the 3rd and Inches was retarded because that's the exact short yardage play you've been calling all season... Cam is too linear with his playcalling... he designates certain plays for certain situations and never deviates. So frustrating to watch.

[good_n_purple]

[quote name='Bosanac' timestamp='1326664756' post='951327']
First you guys complain about him being too conservative, now you complain about him taking chances.
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I think the problem is he has no feel for the game. He seems to to call a risky play at precisely the wrong time.

[reediddy]

Even my dad, who is not really a huge fan, called out idiocy when we passed twice under 3 minutes left in the game, thus allowing Houston to keep their time outs. And then Marino (I believe) called out Cam on the same point in the postgame report. This can NOT happen next week. We give Brady that much time and it's lights out

[sharkh20]

It's never been about him being conservative, it's always been about him being terrible and calling the opposite of what makes any sense in a giving situation. Hey, it's 3rd and half a yard? Let's do a slow fullback run to the unblocked side. Hey, we did a play action pass on the goal line to get in the endzone and it worked earlier? Let's do 3 runs on the goal line from now on since our running game has an amazing total of 30 yards so far.

[reediddy]

[quote name='good_n_purple' timestamp='1326665538' post='951386']
I think the problem is he has no feel for the game. He seems to to call a risky play at precisely the wrong time.
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Exactly. I'm fine with slants and quick throws if the situation permits it. If we pretty much have the game won and have the opponent on their heels where they have to use timeouts to stay in the game, you force them to do so. Instead, Cam gave them a golden opportunity to score. Good thing our D is well...our D

[DMH_in_WA]

Here's where we get into dicey territory. It's not about Cam being just aggressive or conservative. Most of us don't complain about that. It's WHEN he is aggressive or conservative. You have the lead and you are controlling the clock with time running out. You run the ball two times and you either eat up 1+ minute off the clock or you chew through their final timeouts. Maybe get the first down, mabe not but you have seriously hampered their ability to come back if you have to give it back. Instead, you throw two poorly called passing plays when the O-line has been having trouble all game containing the rush. You take 8 seconds off the clock and they preserve their timeouts.

That is just bad playcalling. Cam Cameron is a gambler who gambles at very low odds plays. Sure, he hits one every 8 or 9 ... but what it costs us can be huge.

[keebl3rs]

Like I said earlier. You can't blame the poor O-Line performance on play calling. NO call is going to be successful when 4 man rushes bust through your line.

[Militant X 1]

i'm done talking about cam's playcalling. it is what it is! it has been all season long...why would he change now? he won't so we just gotta deal with it and suffer through it and hope that our boys can pull out wins!

~Mili

[ghost1986]

I'm not complaining about him being too conservative or risky. I'm complaining about him being dumb. I think Ricky Williams should have been in for those short yardage plays. Maybe the goal line play as well. But we ran it up the middle the entire time at the goal line. Throw the ball. It worked with Wilson the first time. Whenever it pans to Cam on the big screen, whatever stadium they're in, it should start playing the Benny Hill theme song.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326665832' post='951416']
Like I said earlier. You can't blame the poor O-Line performance on play calling. NO call is going to be successful when 4 man rushes bust through your line.
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No, but it's an OC's job to adjust to how your people are playing on the field. Spread Houston out .. stop allowing them to bunch in. They are pouring into the same middle section; move the pocket for crying out loud ... set up a rolling pocket. Do ANYTHING to get them off balance. Instead, it was the same thing he always does and we were calling out his plays in chat. His job is to make adjustments.

[Kwothdaraven]

Cam was horrendus today. 3rd and 2inches...you qb sneak. He had that situation twice and didn't sneak.

[ghost1986]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1326665839' post='951417']
i'm done talking about cam's playcalling. it is what it is! it has been all season long...why would he change now? he won't so we just gotta deal with it and suffer through it and hope that our boys can pull out wins!

~Mili
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I agree, man. That makes a lot of sense. I didn't want to complain again since I've already done it countless times today, but I had to. But you're right. From now on, if we win it's because of our players. The only coaches that deserve credit are Harbaugh and Pagano. But even Harbaugh shouldn't have challenged that Arian Foster run.

[JaxFlaccoFan]

Remind me again:
1. why we call low percentage 30-yard pass plays on 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 5 when you only need a much higher percentage short pass play to get the 1st down
2. why we run our smallest back up the middle against a stout defensive line when you have Ricky Williams sitting on the bench
3. why we only ran one slant play the whole game even though it seems like every time we've done it with Boldin or Smith this year the play has worked
4. why we don't throw more to Dennis Pitta when he seems to be our most surehanded receiver
5. why we only ran outside one time in the game and it went for good yardage, especially against a defense which is stout up the middle
6. why we don't put Flacco in the "no huddle" or shotgun when he has played well this way
7. why we run Leach off tackle with no blocker in front
8. why we pass the ball on 2nd and 3rd down and 5 with 3 minutes left in the game and not force Houston to use all their timeouts and risk a sack which could have taken us out of field goal range

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JaxFlaccoFan' timestamp='1326670004' post='951666']
Remind me again:
1. why we call low percentage 30-yard pass plays on 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 5 when you only need a much higher percentage short pass play to get the 1st down
2. why we run our smallest back up the middle against a stout defensive line when you have Ricky Williams sitting on the bench
3. why we only ran one slant play the whole game even though it seems like every time we've done it with Boldin or Smith this year the play has worked
4. why we don't throw more to Dennis Pitta when he seems to be our most surehanded receiver
5. why we only ran outside one time in the game and it went for good yardage, especially against a defense which is stout up the middle
6. why we don't put Flacco in the "no huddle" or shotgun when he has played well this way
7. why we run Leach off tackle with no blocker in front
8. why we pass the ball on 2nd and 3rd down and 5 with 3 minutes left in the game and not force Houston to use all their timeouts and risk a sack which could have taken us out of field goal range
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Isn't it obvious? Cam Cameron is our offensive coordinator, that's why.

[Rogerdat]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326665832' post='951416']
Like I said earlier. You can't blame the poor O-Line performance on play calling. NO call is going to be successful when 4 man rushes bust through your line.
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Aaaaahhh yes you can blame Cam for the poor line play. He is well aware this line has issues yet he continues to try and drop Joe back on 5 to 7 step drops and have our receivers run these long drawn out plays. Here's and idea how about some quick strikes on some timing plays then once in a while drop back on his continuious long drawn out routes. Since we are primarily a running team how about a little more play action calls rather than straight drop back. They did it down by the goal line and Joe threw to a wide open Wilson for a TD. The guy is a joke.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Rogerdat' timestamp='1326671294' post='951748']
Aaaaahhh yes you can blame Cam for the poor line play. He is well aware this line has issues yet he continues to try and drop Joe back on 5 to 7 step drops and have our receivers run these long drawn out plays. Here's and idea how about some quick strikes on some timing plays then once in a while drop back on his continuious long drawn out routes. Since we are primarily a running team how about a little more play action calls rather than straight drop back. They did it down by the goal line and Joe threw to a wide open Wilson for a TD. The guy is a joke.
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See, I'm starting to wonder if Cam's thought process is to figure out the most obvious things to do in a situation and then do the exact opposite, figuring that the opponent thinks it's too foolish for him to try. The problem is, everyone knows it's Cam Cameron and he's foolish.

[cursona pirate]

Qb sneak in the endzone not a run up the middle... Joe would have got closer IMO
Joe is a big guy!

[Purple Punishment]

how about a HB pitch or a draw play. nohing but iso and up the gut runs get old

[The Raven]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1326671799' post='951783']
how about a HB pitch or a draw play. nohing but iso and up the gut runs get old
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I'd love to see us run some more powers and a sweep once in a while.

[jdynamite]

Boomer Esiason said it best " What was the Ravens Offensive Co-ordinator thinking and doing , there when u could run the clock down and throw twice ? "

I mean Cam Cameron is so predictable it's really silly. I was on Baltimore Facebook and literally 90% of 1st downs I predicted with runs of 0-3 yds. It was like watching Denver with tebow all the predictable running situations. And why don't we work the middle with pitta and Dickson more??? We took some early shots with Smith in 1st qtr then never attempted again. No bubble screens to WRs.

[hawkprey]

Next week we either have to win or lose in Cam-firing fashion. Either win or lose Cam. I don't want another year of both.