Flacco: Speaks About Elite QBs

[flynismo]

I admire the Flacco haters' creativity and resiliency when it comes to making new excuses why he sucks or is mediocre, and their ability to look you in the face and deny irrefutable evidence otherwise!


When Flacco shreds Houston Sunday, it will be some other reason to discredit him.... Yawn ...

[BmoreRavens732]

It would be cool if someone could start a "lets go flacco"!! Chant...he would have the confidence of 70 thousand people built up in him...i believe he would destroy that defense...just think having all those people chant your name at once...only before the game and maybe halftime tho cuz thats the point of homefield not having all those people disrupt your communication

[makaha]

I support Joe and believe he is thee QB to lead this team.

With that being said, I believe there are only a few "elite" quarterbacks, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, and Peyton. And there is only major difference with these guys and our guy, a Superbowl. One could argue that they are stacked with wonderful weapons around them that have allowed them to elevate their games. However, the greatest weapon lies with Joe in our defensive unit. Yes this is a team sport but the greatest sign of an elite player is that they are able to significantly raise the game of their teammates. After his first few years, I believe that this is truly Joe's first year that he has made things click, regardless of his individual stats.

If Joe is able to lead us to a Superbowl title, it will drastically change the perception that people have of him. I think many people are so judgmental of Joe because with the defensive talent that this team has, he has still not been able to take us to the promise land. If I remember correctly, Eli Manning was heavily criticized before his Superbowl win. But now he is clawing into the conversation of "elite" quarterbacks.

[chesapeakeaviator]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326523009' post='946465']
I admire the Flacco haters' creativity and resiliency when it comes to making new excuses why he sucks or is mediocre, and their ability to look you in the face and deny irrefutable evidence otherwise!


When Flacco shreds Houston Sunday, it will be some other reason to discredit him.... Yawn ...
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I already know it will be that Flacco didn't win it; TJ Yates lost it. "Wow Joe, you beat an unheralded third-string rookie at home, big deal." [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/eyes.gif[/img] Jamie Dukes already has that written on an index card somewhere.

[Ravenslifer]

I still don't get this elite nonsense. People seem to quickly forget how guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady were viewed early on in their careers. Petyon Manning = all time great regular season stats, 0 superbowls. They called him a choker, the biggest tease, the guy who could do it all until it mattered. Then he won a Superbowl. Brady didn't record a passer rating over 90 until his 5th year in the league, AFTER he'd won 2 of his Superbowls. And he never got over 100 until the 2007 season, in fact his rating the year before was 88. Drew Brees was flat out terrible his first two years in the league. So Flacco is or isn't elite, but why does that mean he can't lead our team to a Superbowl, and play well doing it? How come nobody talks about what he has done - won 9 games against the top 1/3 of NFL defenses, instead of talking about what he hasn't done?

[Raven43hike]

I believe Joe is more into winning than stats and lets be happy about that just look where they've been the last 4 years . Dont change Joe and dont listen to the talking heads.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326487222' post='946035']

Um, excuse me, but they were a playoff team, and they do have a good secondary. Ever hear of Eric Berry - made the Pro Bowl last year? Brandon Flowers? Tamba Hali - Pro Bowl outside linebacker, led the AFC in sacks last year? Not an easy group to throw against. But it's just what I'd expect from you. Everyone is good until Flacco beats them, then they can't be good. I guess Troy Polamolu is no good either because Flacco beat his team twice this year? Oh my gosh, look, Adrian Peterson plays for Minnesota, and they haven't done a whole lot recently, therefore he sucks (sarcasm). You really have little respect for guys if they don't make your point, I've noticed. If Flacco beats them, it means they suck. If he screws up, they still suck but it's just that he can't get the job done.
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Yeah your right, how could i overlook the facts in the game. ( Fact 1) Eric Berry was a rookie. Fact 2. Matt Cassel was horrible in the game. 9/18 for 70 yards 3 int's and a 20.4 quarterback rating. A game so bad in fact, it left its head coach on the hot seat the following year. While i try to take nothing away from Flacco's huge playoff game.......wow Time of possession is all one has to look at, to find out what happened to that top ten defense that you admire. Baltimore time of possession ( 41:44 minutes) Kansas City (18:16). Oh yeah not to mention Flacco's stellar passing day didn't come without the usual two fumbles and one lost. Do you honestly believe that Flacco's fumbles would not have cost another team more games. Our defense makes up for his mistakes constantly. Must be nice. Oh and 1/28/09, Fly, Ravenslifer, BmoreRavens732, Purock, i would expect more of a challenge from you guys. Glad you cosigned to this mess.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326522467' post='946460']
Honestly, this is what Flacco needs to say, every time:

6:00-6:08


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H30Afz-V_Ik[/media]
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Are u kidding?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326570750' post='946761']
Yeah your right, how could i overlook the facts in the game. ( Fact 1) [b]Eric Berry was a rookie.[/b] Fact 2. Matt Cassel was horrible in the game. 9/18 for 70 yards 3 int's and a 20.4 quarterback rating. A game so bad in fact, it left its head coach on the hot seat the following year. While i try to take nothing away from Flacco's huge playoff game.......wow Time of possession is all one has to look at, to find out what happened to that top ten defense that you admire. Baltimore time of possession ( 41:44 minutes) Kansas City (18:16). Oh yeah not to mention Flacco's stellar passing day didn't come without the usual two fumbles and one lost. Do you honestly believe that Flacco's fumbles would not have cost another team more games. Our defense makes up for his mistakes constantly. Must be nice. Oh and 1/28/09, Fly, Ravenslifer, BmoreRavens732, Purock, i would expect more of a challenge from you guys. Glad you cosigned to this mess.
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Him being a rookie means squat! The man was one of the top play-making safeties in the league last year. He got beat a few times in that game but logged 9 tackles and broke up four passes. And he's just one player. Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr were and still are one of the best CB duos in the league.

As for the KC game overall, only someone too blinded with dislike for Joe would say he wasn't solid that and not a big reason why the team won. For a few drives, he carried the offense. The D prevented KC from getting back into the game but Joe's play was the primary reason the offense moved the ball.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326570955' post='946764']
Are u kidding?
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"No comment. I have no comment on my no comment." That's what I would say every time. It's what Brady does all the time.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326570750' post='946761']
Yeah your right, how could i overlook the facts in the game. ( Fact 1) [b]Eric Berry was a rookie[/b]. Fact 2. Matt Cassel was horrible in the game. 9/18 for 70 yards 3 int's and a 20.4 quarterback rating. A game so bad in fact, it left its head coach on the hot seat the following year. While i try to take nothing away from Flacco's huge playoff game.......wow Time of possession is all one has to look at, to find out what happened to that top ten defense that you admire. Baltimore time of possession ( 41:44 minutes) Kansas City (18:16). Oh yeah not to mention Flacco's stellar passing day didn't come without the usual [b]two fumbles and one lost.[/b] Do you honestly believe that Flacco's fumbles would not have cost another team more games. Our defense makes up for his mistakes constantly. Must be nice. Oh and 1/28/09, Fly, Ravenslifer, BmoreRavens732, Purock, i would expect more of a challenge from you guys. Glad you cosigned to this mess.
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Oh my gosh, look Torrey Smith is a rookie, therefore he sucks. Oh Cam Newton is a rookie, he's garbage, he can't play in this league yet. Oh look, Von Miller is a rookie. Never mind how they played, they're rookies so they can't be very good. 2/3 of the pro bowl voting is coaches and players - so now your claiming to be smarter than NFL coaches and players. Very arrogant. More of a challenge? Dude, you have to be one of the most willfully inconsistent people on this site. You use facts when they suit you, then avoid them when they don't. You berate Flacco for throwing too much to Ray Rice, but when Drew Brees throws more passes to Darren Sproles it's okay. Torrey Smith is a great player, and we "don't need better receivers, he's great", but Pro Bowl pass rusher Tamba Hali and safety Eric Berry are beaten by us, and they are rookies and young players. You are just embarassing yourself. Just like your supposed claim that "you played in the league" and therefore the "extent of your knowledge to intimidating for normal posters to handle". Absolute garbage. Your hubris knows no bounds.

I get it, you hate Flacco, you want him gone, so you discredit every good thing he does.

[The Raven]

[quote name='3rdcoast' timestamp='1326443010' post='945534']

Demaryius Thomas did earn the TD. But seriously, do you think a defense would play man with no help on any other QB than Tebow. Give him props for an accurate throw, that allow the WR to take advantage of one on one with no help.
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Didn't you discount Joe for that exact same thing?

[The Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326570750' post='946761']
Yeah your right, how could i overlook the facts in the game. ( Fact 1) Eric Berry was a rookie. Fact 2. Matt Cassel was horrible in the game. 9/18 for 70 yards 3 int's and a 20.4 quarterback rating. A game so bad in fact, it left its head coach on the hot seat the following year. While i try to take nothing away from Flacco's huge playoff game.......wow [b]Time of possession is all one has to look at, to find out what happened to that top ten defense that you admire. Baltimore time of possession ( 41:44 minutes) Kansas City (18:16). Oh yeah not to mention Flacco's stellar passing day didn't come without the usual two fumbles and one lost.[/b] Do you honestly believe that Flacco's fumbles would not have cost another team more games. Our defense makes up for his mistakes constantly. Must be nice. Oh and 1/28/09, Fly, Ravenslifer, BmoreRavens732, Purock, i would expect more of a challenge from you guys. Glad you cosigned to this mess.
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Thats a joke, right? If we dominate in TOP that badly, the offense can't be blamed. Of course the defense has a lot to do with it, but leave it to you your stubborness to forget about the part where our offense still has to move the ball to keep that much TOP.

I will attribute two of those fumbles directly to Michael Oher. Tamba Hali was Oher's daddy on that day.

And really? You're using Cassel's bad game against Flacco? Get real.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326571552' post='946779']

Oh my gosh, look Torrey Smith is a rookie, therefore he sucks. Oh Cam Newton is a rookie, he's garbage, he can't play in this league yet. Oh look, Von Miller is a rookie. Never mind how they played, they're rookies so they can't be very good. 2/3 of the pro bowl voting is coaches and players - so now your claiming to be smarter than NFL coaches and players. Very arrogant. More of a challenge? Dude, you have to be one of the most willfully inconsistent people on this site. You use facts when they suit you, then avoid them when they don't. You berate Flacco for throwing too much to Ray Rice, but when Drew Brees throws more passes to Darren Sproles it's okay. Torrey Smith is a great player, and we "don't need better receivers, he's great", but Pro Bowl pass rusher Tamba Hali and safety Eric Berry are beaten by us, and they are rookies and young players. You are just embarassing yourself. Just like your supposed claim that [size=4][font=times new roman,times,serif]"you played in the league" and therefore the "extent of your knowledge to intimidating for normal posters to handle". Absolute garbage. Your hubris knows no bounds.[/font][/size]
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[size=5][font=times new roman,times,serif]He is ranked 23rd in TD%. (Average at best) [/font][/size][size=4][size=5]Why bring up me playing Pro ball you want to start a thread about me[/size]? Ask your friends on here im sure they will enlighten you. [/size]Hope all of this is in fun, i can't get another warning for nothing.[/size][/font][/color]
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[Guest RBates]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326572708' post='946797']

Thats a joke, right? If we dominate in TOP that badly, the offense can't be blamed. Of course the defense has a lot to do with it, but leave it to you your stubborness to forget about the part where our offense still has to move the ball to keep that much TOP.

I will attribute two of those fumbles directly to Michael Oher. Tamba Hali was Oher's daddy on that day.

[b]And really? You're using Cassel's bad game against Flacco?[/b] Get real.
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No this is what im using getting back on topic.......Look up

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326572949' post='946804']
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[size=5][font=times new roman,times,serif]He is ranked 24th in yards-per-attempt wedged in between two of the games shortest passers, the rookie Dalton and Fitzpatrick. [/font][/size][/size][/font][/color]
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[size=5][font=times new roman,times,serif]He is ranked 23rd in TD%.  (Average at best) [/font][/size][size=4][size=5][b]Why bring up me playing Pro ball you want to start a thread about me[/size]? Ask your friends on here im sure they will enlighten you. [/b] [/size]Hope all of this is in fun, i can't get another warning for nothing.[/size][/font][/color]
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No one cares...

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326572949' post='946804']
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[size=5][font=times new roman,times,serif]Flacco is ranked 18th in QB Rating this season only marginally ahead of QBs like Palmer, the rookie Dalton, Tarvaris Jackson, Fitzpatrick, and even Sanchez. [/font][/size]

[size=5][font=times new roman,times,serif]He is ranked 24th in yards-per-attempt wedged in between two of the games shortest passers, the rookie Dalton and Fitzpatrick. [/font][/size]

[size=5][font=times new roman,times,serif]He is ranked 26th in completion % with 57.6% and wedged in between Kevin Kolb and Colt McCoy and behind QBs such as Grossman, Orton, Jackson, and Moore. [/font][/size]

[size=5][font=times new roman,times,serif]He is ranked 23rd in TD%. (Average at best) [/font][/size][size=4][size=5]Why bring up me playing Pro ball you want to start a thread about me[/size]? Ask your friends on here im sure they will enlighten you. [/size]Hope all of this is in fun, i can't get another warning for nothing.


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Once again, using facts when they suit you, and disregarding them when they don't. First and foremost, if there weren't 31 blatant drops by receivers, Flacco's completion percentage would be 62 percent. But that doesn't matter to you, does it? I don't care if you played in the league, 2 things are clear: you don't know football, and you don't actually watch the Ravens games.

Oh, number 3: You want Flacco gone. I'm beginning to think you're on the Wizard1 "The Ravens will lose to the Texans and Flacco won't be our starting qb next year" bandwagon.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326573282' post='946817']

Once again, using [b]facts[/b] when they suit you, and disregarding them when they don't. First and foremost, if there weren't 31 blatant drops by receivers, Flacco's completion percentage would be 62 percent. But that doesn't matter to you, does it? [b] I don't care if you played in the league, 2 things are clear: you don't know football, and you don't actually watch the Ravens games.[/b]

Oh, number 3: You want Flacco gone. I'm beginning to think you're on the Wizard1 "The Ravens will lose to the Texans and Flacco won't be our starting qb next year" bandwagon.
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Facts are facts.
Then why did you bring it up?

Flacco is that you?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326573192' post='946815']
No one cares...
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I figured you would chime in when all the dirty work was done. Why do you let me dismantle these guys? Why hype them in believing that they are right when it comes to him. After a bad game in Jacksonville you agreed that he had regressed this season. SMH...... Flacco has been average this season no shame in admitting it. He probably will do better next year.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326573660' post='946825']
Facts are facts.
Then why did you bring it up?

Flacco is that you?
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Troy Smith? I didn't know you had multiple user IDs on this forum! How is the weather in Omaha?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326573881' post='946830']

Troy Smith? I didn't know you had multiple user IDs on this forum! How is the weather in Omaha?
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[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326573881' post='946830']

Troy Smith? I didn't know you had multiple user IDs on this forum! How is the weather in Omaha?
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Lol that was a good one.....

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326573870' post='946829']
I figured you would chime in when all the dirty work was done. [b]Why do you let me dismantle these guys?[/b] Why hype them in believing that they are right when it comes to him. After a bad game in Jacksonville you agreed that he had regressed this season. SMH...... Flacco has been average this season no shame in admitting it. He probably will do better next year.
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Still waiting on an explanation on how Berry being a rookie last season somehow made what Flacco did less impressive. Not that I'm surprised, but I doubt you know much about Flowers, Carr or others on KC's defense.

[The Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326573870' post='946829']
I figured you would chime in when all the dirty work was done. Why do you let me dismantle these guys? Why hype them in believing that they are right when it comes to him. After a bad game in Jacksonville you agreed that he had regressed this season. SMH...... Flacco has been average this season no shame in admitting it. [b]He probably will do better next year[/b].
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Wow, I guess Nostradamus was right about the world ending in 2012. RBates just said Flacco will probably do better next year! Hahaha.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326574200' post='946837']

Still waiting on an explanation on how[b] Berry being a rookie last season somehow made what Flacco did less impressive[/b]. Not that I'm surprised, but I doubt you know much about Flowers, Carr or others on KC's defense.
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Berry had four picks last year, not sure he was ever a threat to Flacco. Your joking right?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326573870' post='946829']
I figured you would chime in when all the dirty work was done.  Why do you let me dismantle these guys? Why hype them in believing that they are right when it comes to him. After a bad game in Jacksonville you agreed that he had regressed this season.  SMH...... Flacco has been average this season no shame in admitting it.  He probably will do better next year.
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Yes, I agree he has been average to above average. I dont look at it just on face level. Some games were amazing, some were average, some were below average and a few were abysmal. He's a young QB who is, overall, getting better every year!

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326574560' post='946845']

Wow, I guess Nostradamus was right about the world ending in 2012. RBates just said Flacco will probably do better next year! Hahaha.
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Lol yall act like i hate the guy, im just stating that he was[b] average this year. [/b]This doesn't mean that he has average skills or anything about him is average, just an average season. Please understand that.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326574773' post='946849']
Yes, I agree he has been average to above average. I dont look at it just on face level. Some games were amazing, some were average, some were below average and a few were abysmal. He's a young QB who is, overall, getting better every year!
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Thank you........And the truth will set you free.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326574880' post='946854']
Thank you........And the truth will set you free.
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I have always said this. I believe Flacco is the future of this franchise, but what gets me about you is the flippy floppy attitude. He was the savior (exaggerating a bit here) to you a few weeks ago and now you take any little pot shot you can at him. I am not a "Flacco lover", but I will stick up for the dude at all costs!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326574663' post='946846']
Berry had four picks last year, not sure he was ever a threat to Flacco. Your joking right?
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I think you're joking.

If you're seriously using interceptions to determine how good a safety is in coverage, I think [b]Ravenslifer[/b] might have been right. Only three strong safeties broke up more passes than him last season. He broke up four passes in the play-off game(something you still haven't addressed). He was also one of the best blitzing safeties in the league too.

And again, he's just one player. The Chiefs have ballers on their defense.

[ratedr]

The Chiefs have a bad defense? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/th_204070.gif[/img] Even this year when half the roster was on IR they had a good defense down the stretch (and Aaron Rodgers would agree). They easily would've won the West again with Cassel.